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Season 14: Speculation and Spoilers

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

Not sure what the issue is.  Lincoln committed Indecent Assault and Battery.   This is nothing like Garrett's Like-Gate.

Definitely didn’t mean to make a joke of what Lincoln did, but just moreso making the joke about our own Bachelor Nation outrage. If we were all in a tizzy over Garrett’s “likes,” then how do we express the magnitude of a REAL crime?

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Becca has every reason to be upset that they cast a man who has assaulted women.  At some point she will have to send Lincoln home, which could trigger his anger, or, if he makes it as far as the Fantasy date, she would be alone  with him.  There's every reason to be afraid of him, he not only has a history of assaulting women, we've seen how manipulative he can be with his tearful, "I felt threatened," routine that Becca and many others fell for.


 

My thoughts exactly. ABC failed Becca here and put her at risk. They owe her a public apology on the couch at The Men Tell All.  

I honestly don't think they vet these guys at all. I think that's an urban legend that we assumed with zero proof. In fact, this is proof that they don't do anything.   I heard that once picked they have to take a medical test for STDs.  But Becca practically signs her life away contract-wise so I'm sure she has no legal recourse.  

IMO, Lincoln's assault puts Garrett's meme liking in perspective. I'm not saying that this absolves Garrett; it's just that there are worse things to save your outrage for. Like this. 

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11 minutes ago, TheFinalRose said:

IMO, Lincoln's assault puts Garrett's meme liking in perspective. I'm not saying that this absolves Garrett; it's just that there are worse things to save your outrage for. Like this. 

In my experience, outrage is a renewable resource. :)

I still don't give Garrett a pass. Just because he happened to be cast on a season where at least one other contestant is a violent criminal doesn't make his social-media activity any more palatable. I don't stack-rank the contestants against each other - because that bar is very low to begin with - I hold them all to the same standard of human decency.

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So Lincoln is convicted of assault.  Well, that's some great vetting there, show.  But what's this rumour about Alex too?

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42 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I still don't give Garrett a pass. Just because he happened to be cast on a season where at least one other contestant is a violent criminal doesn't make his social-media activity any more palatable. I don't stack-rank the contestants against each other - because that bar is very low to begin with - I hold them all to the same standard of human decency.

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38 minutes ago, Token said:

But what's this rumour about Alex too?

Which one is Alex and what's the rumor?

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38 minutes ago, Token said:

So Lincoln is convicted of assault.  Well, that's some great vetting there, show.  But what's this rumour about Alex too?

Exactly!  What's the deal with Alex and his obvious rage issues?  Unless the tabs are completely wrong about his story, they screwed Becca X 2.  

There's some serious negligence in this situation.  It is NOT going to be pretty in the end.   

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1 minute ago, peachmangosteen said:

Is Alex still there or was he cut already?

He was cut last week. IIRC, he was the one who cried after being cut.

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I'm surprised Reality Steve didn't mention that at all.  Not as serious as Lincoln, but bad stuff keeps cropping up in this crap season, one issue after another.  

Becca's cursed.  Arie dodged a bullet.  ;-)

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Re: Alex's victim, "Nappo was friends with a woman Templeman was dating at the time."  Wow just the attitude you want in a Bachelorette contestant where twenty some guys are dating your girlfriend.  Alex broke the guy's eye socket!

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Since Lincoln gets all the way to episode 6* and seems to be featured pretty prominently (in a not so flattering way during the debate), I wonder how ABC will address the situation.  Will they do a re-edit or add disclaimers?   I’m curious how they will spin this.  

*according to Reality Steve

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It seems like ABC has really been torturing Becca.

- They fly her idiot ex to wherever they were at the end of Arie's season (Peru?) to try to mess things up

- They film Arie dumping her and won't just let him out afterwards

- During ATFR, they let Arie propose to Lauren right there in front of everyone while Becca had to have been standing offstage someplace

- They don't bother to vet Becca's bachelors, and now two of them turn out to be violent asswipes (well... one of them is... Lincoln poops on the floor)

Becca seems perfectly nice.  Why is ABC angry with her?

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ABC has already stated that they didn't know about Lincoln, he lied on his application, it was the 3rd party background check people, blah, blah, blah....

They screwed the pooch.  Plain & simple.  No excuses, no blaming other people, no scapegoats.  THEY.FUCK$D.UP.

I don't think ABC is angry at Becca at all.  She is a tool.  A commodity.  The focus of their way to make money & ratings.  She's not a real person to them, so she doesn't matter.  They can't be bothered to care, because she is just the central point in a group of stories they are making up for the season. 

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13 hours ago, leighdear said:

ABC has already stated that they didn't know about Lincoln, he lied on his application, it was the 3rd party background check people, blah, blah, blah....

They screwed the pooch.  Plain & simple.  No excuses, no blaming other people, no scapegoats.  THEY.FUCK$D.UP.

I don't think ABC is angry at Becca at all.  She is a tool.  A commodity.  The focus of their way to make money & ratings.  She's not a real person to them, so she doesn't matter.  They can't be bothered to care, because she is just the central point in a group of stories they are making up for the season. 

I don't literally think ABC hates Becca. I think it's more their indifference and incompetence combined into a perfect storm with Becca sitting in the middle.

I'm giving ABC a pass on the Lincoln floor pooping thing. That didn't really come out until he was announced and was already off to film, and is so weird it's hard to imagine anyone looking for it anyway. But the rest of that stuff... I think ABC owes Becca an apology.  A second one, really, although I guess making her the Bachelorette was their olive branch for how shitty they all treated her last season.

Maybe before next season, ABC can hire the people who did my background check at my last job.  They discovered an inconsistency on my birth date between my driver's license and my social security account. I'm confident they would have found if I had been arrested for sexual assault within the last two years.

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2 hours ago, phlebas said:

I don't literally think ABC hates Becca. I think it's more their indifference and incompetence combined into a perfect storm with Becca sitting in the middle.

Yeah, they don't love or hate any of them. They just don't actually care about them either way. They are all replaceable. And yet these people put their lives in TIIC's hands (I don't say ABC because ABC has no contact with these morons at all. They, the individuals aren't a blip on ABC's radar. It's the showrunners who should be vetting these contestants and concerned about their safety.

The falling out of bed incident shows where the show's priorities are. Don't worry about the safety of having someone who is not used to sleeping in a bunk bed, and is probably used to at least a queen if not king bed where they can move around, sleeping that high up without any barrier. No, that would affect the camera's ability to catch them drooling in their sleep.

These people have signed themselves up to be lab rats. More and more I hate that I participate in this mess. More and more I wonder why I do?

2 hours ago, phlebas said:

I'm giving ABC a pass on the Lincoln floor pooping thing.

The poop thing doesn't bother me, well, the actual incident does, but that he got on the show despite having pooped on the floor doesn't. It's silly and fairly harmless and could indicate someone who would make "good tv" because they are weird and unpredictable. The sexual assault, OTOH. Holy fuck how did they let that pass? That is dangerous. Especially after the shitstorm with Paradise. That is violence, against a woman and you are putting him up as a great match? For a woman?

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21 hours ago, phlebas said:

It seems like ABC has really been torturing Becca.

- They fly her idiot ex to wherever they were at the end of Arie's season (Peru?) to try to mess things up

- They film Arie dumping her and won't just let him out afterwards

- During ATFR, they let Arie propose to Lauren right there in front of everyone while Becca had to have been standing offstage someplace

- They don't bother to vet Becca's bachelors, and now two of them turn out to be violent asswipes (well... one of them is... Lincoln poops on the floor)

Becca seems perfectly nice.  Why is ABC angry with her?

I don't think they hate her - I think they love amping up the drama.   They love when they can present someone as the lead who deserves a chance at love, and then weave a story portraying that same person as a villain. They WANT Becca to choose someone with skeletons in his closet, so another guy can be the poor good guy sap who was rejected, (by Becca the bitch) and then give HIM a chance at love. 

Follow the story they told with Arie. Poor heart-broken Ari, never recovered from being rejected by Emily , and Arie deserved a chance at finding love - until he became the villain who proposed, then wavered, then broke Becca's heart.  So Becca becomes the "poor heart-broken Becca", until SHE breaks someone's heart.  Then THAT guy becomes "poor heart-broken (blake?) who had his heart broken by Becca who chose some evil undeserving asshole over him.  

and so on.

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I watch it to reflect on my (mostly) good life choices, my non-sleazy wardrobe, my ability to hold a conversation without using the word "Like" 16 times in 3 sentences, and to feel a bit smug overall.   ;-)

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I like that @leighdear. It does make me feel better about the state of my life. It also reminds me that it's better to be single than to go on TV to try to find a fiancé. 

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To me it's almost like a long-term anthropological study. I've lived in several countries and have met all sorts of people, but never anyone like the people who go on this show. I often find myself watching someone like Corinne, Krystal, Jordan, etc., and questioning how we can both be from the same species.

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1 hour ago, leighdear said:

I watch it to reflect on my (mostly) good life choices, my non-sleazy wardrobe, my ability to hold a conversation without using the word "Like" 16 times in 3 sentences, and to feel a bit smug overall.   ;-)

Good points. Except for the 'like' thing since I'm admittedly a 'like' over-user.

But in general yea watching this show does make one feel better about themselves lol. 

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On 2018-06-04 at 7:14 PM, leighdear said:

And now we know that it's David who falls out of a bunk bed at the mansion & has to be taken to the hospital.....If ONLY he'd had on his chicken suit, the feathers might have padded his landing.  

 

On 2018-06-06 at 8:34 AM, JudyObscure said:

Once again, I accidently spoiled myself  (I was replying to Leighdear on the media thread, saw her name and clicked this by mistake.)  Garrett.  I can't believe it.  She could have chosen Jason the corporate banker who looks like a young Al Pacino, but she chooses the sales rep with the big, forced looking grin and a mean spirit.   Becca may be a feminist but she has stated her love for hunting and fishing and the type of man who goes in for all that so she may lean right when it comes to issues like gun control -- and big, hulking  macho guys.   Sorry, Garrett is so not my type, I can't even be fair to him.

I knew that I wasn't crazy about Becca but I did feel sympathy over Arie. She is definitely not the kind of person I would choose to spend any time with, whether I went to school with her or was a co-worker. She's just not very interesting, has an extremely limited vocabulary, and has a definite weakness for jocks. I would pick all nerds myself, and maybe a few musicians (my guilty pleasure). So many of the men she keeps are just meh and fungible.

On 2018-06-06 at 12:09 PM, Mabinogia said:

No matter what you say, what terminology you use, you're going to offend someone since we aren't clones and no two people will have the same reaction. It's a mine field these days. I do agree there is a big difference between a person who just isn't sure what term to use and someone who is an ignorant racist/sexist/etcist. It's all in the tone. Unfortunately we now live in a world where most people don't communicate face to face so tone is completely lost. When writing a post I often wonder how it will come across to other people. I'm very sarcastic and that is hard to pull off as well in type.

Yeah, I sometimes think I'm rude too and go back to find I wasn't as snarky as I thought. Always a relief. As long as we don't assume that we are speaking for most people on this forum (like ChrisSNitch or Chicken Dave), then I think we can safely navigate these political waters. Always safer to use our "hearts" as a sign of our intentions. If nobody likes your posts, that's a sign, I think.

On 2018-06-07 at 2:48 PM, TheFinalRose said:

I never watch unspoiled.  It is so much more fun watching them edit the winner into the background and then try and fake you out that the #2 is going the whole way.  Best season to be spoiled was Emily's since Jef was not a big deal for a real long time. 

I wasn't going to be spoiled for this one, until I fell asleep during most of the third episode. It was like watching paint dry. I woke up and then had to fast forward thru the Kim/Trump crap. Then there was something about football - yawn - fell asleep again, saw something about blood but the entire accident was mostly reaction shots from the bachelors, and I kept wondering if I had fallen asleep thru the cocktail party and rose ceremony. If it wasn't for Previously TV, I would never have known that they stretched it out over two episodes.

On 2018-06-15 at 9:46 AM, Mabinogia said:

Yeah, they don't love or hate any of them. They just don't actually care about them either way. They are all replaceable. And yet these people put their lives in TIIC's hands (I don't say ABC because ABC has no contact with these morons at all. They, the individuals aren't a blip on ABC's radar. It's the showrunners who should be vetting these contestants and concerned about their safety.

The falling out of bed incident shows where the show's priorities are. Don't worry about the safety of having someone who is not used to sleeping in a bunk bed, and is probably used to at least a queen if not king bed where they can move around, sleeping that high up without any barrier. No, that would affect the camera's ability to catch them drooling in their sleep.

I did think that the show really did love Emily though. She made more money, I think had a more expensive wardrobe and a lot of say about filming locations. Becca looks like she will roll over and do whatever they say without much resistance. I don't see Chris Harrison even trying to pretend that they have a warm relationship, like he usually does with the Bachelorettes. Not saying that he dislikes her, but that he finds her dull as dishwater.

As for the bunk bed "incident" - well, it reminds me of when my son rolled off his bunk bed and fell onto the carpet vacuum that I had unwisely left in his bedroom as his dad and I rushed off for dinner and a movie. It had never occurred to me that our babysitter would not know enough to place the protective bar in place at bedtime. We rushed him to ER because he was a little confused when he woke up - we thought he might have a concussion after hitting his head on the vacuum. He was fine, but I felt a little guilty. Of course, he was ELEVEN, not in his 20s/30s. I don't care what bed you normally sleep in, what adult falls out of any bed? It's a basic survival instinct. Unless there is some health issue that involves balance or perception. Makes me a little suspicious that something else happened. Anyway, I lost any affection for Chicken Dave after he relentlessly went after Jordan. It was like aiming a bazooka at a peacock. So I do like to think that Dave got what he deserved and laughed loudly when Jordan drilled the wooden bars into place. Definitely producer prodding (and tool and bar providing) but Jordan did it with humour, we didn't see any nasty comments like we've seen in the past. Too bad Becca isn't keeping him until the end. Wills is probably my favourite at this point but he is definitely much too interesting for Becca, so I would like my peacock to stick around instead of the football players. I am rooting for Wills as the next Bachelor.

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On 6/12/2018 at 4:05 PM, leighdear said:

Here's a tab report about Alex.  One of the trashier mags of course, but it gives the gist.  And drags the Lincoln weirdness into the mix.....

https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/alex-from-the-bachelorette-159614

What is the deal with that photo in the article?  I detest mirror selfies because the subject is always looking in the wrong place and holding the phone up looks sooooo stupid.  But this one takes it to a new level.  Apparently the only mirror he has is in the bathroom, but couldn't he pose so that the toilet wasn't quite so prominent, and maybe close the lid?  And the air conditioner vent right at the foot of the toilet?  Your foot is on it when using the toilet? 

The only good thing I can find is that I think he may be a conscientious flosser, to judge from all the specks on the mirror.

The photo credit is instagram, and he took it himself, so I 'm assuming he posted this mess himself.  I just don't get it because one of the knocks on social media is that everybody's "spinning" their lives like mad for public consumption, but then we have this.  I'm certainly not jealous of him.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5860915/Bachelorette-2018-Garrett-Yrigoyens-ex-wife-Kayla-Cunningham.html

 

I am including this story here as it includes spoilers.  Since Garrett mentioned his ex wife last  night, and marriage and divorce are public record, it was a matter of time before someone pulled up his ex wife's name.  His ex wife wasn't on the show to defend herself and I think it was in poor taste to state (and to air) that she was emotionally abusive. She isn't some random ex, and everyone who watches could figure out who she was.  Even if she was emotionally abusive, save that story for the fantasy suite date, and just give the standard PR answer that she wasn't right for him and he found out too late.

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3 hours ago, Earlfor1 said:

Even if she was emotionally abusive, save that story for the fantasy suite date, and just give the standard PR answer that she wasn't right for him and he found out too late.

While my dear husband and I were watching this together, we both had the same question (that may've been asked elsewhere, but bears repeating):

How could they have been together for 18 months before getting married and have no idea about this abusive side until after the wedding?  It's not like they were set up on the Proposal or anything and compelled to marry in hours.....

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9 minutes ago, b2H said:

While my dear husband and I were watching this together, we both had the same question (that may've been asked elsewhere, but bears repeating):

How could they have been together for 18 months before getting married and have no idea about this abusive side until after the wedding?  It's not like they were set up on the Proposal or anything and compelled to marry in hours.....

Unfortunately, I dated someone for about the same length of time who was very emotionally abusive. You can be aware of it, but convinced that you can "help" them or that by committing to them fully, they will finally trust and appreciate you. I thankfully never got close to marrying him, but I can easily see how Garrett ended up in the same situation. It makes even more sense that two months in he realized she would never change and that marriage fixes nothing. No idea what his ex is like and not saying that's definitely what happened, but I can easily see how its possible. 

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45 minutes ago, SallyAlbright said:

Unfortunately, I dated someone for about the same length of time who was very emotionally abusive. You can be aware of it, but convinced that you can "help" them or that by committing to them fully, they will finally trust and appreciate you. I thankfully never got close to marrying him, but I can easily see how Garrett ended up in the same situation. It makes even more sense that two months in he realized she would never change and that marriage fixes nothing. No idea what his ex is like and not saying that's definitely what happened, but I can easily see how its possible. 

I am sorry that you went through this.  I did also. It was a three year relationship with someone who was emotionally abusive.  I even went to therapy at the end of the relationship because I thought it was my fault somehow.  I wanted to learn from that relationship before I began another.  I would not have had the strength to leave him if it were not for therapy.  Since I don't know what exactly happened between Garrett and his ex wife, I will say that there were some red flags in regards to his story.  Unless there was some major intervention after the wedding, that pattern usually continues well into the marriage and he would have had a hard time ending his marriage because of his "bloodline" and shame for his disillusioned matrimony.  

Secondly, I really hope that he and Becca attend therapy.  If not, there will be baggage in this relationship (social media, failed engagement and marriage).  I don't want to project my experiences unto them, but in the end, I want all parties to be happy.  There are too many issues between them right now that need to be resolved by a professional.

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Feeling for Becca with this Garrett social media thing. I’ve been dating a guy for a little bit who added me on Facebook way too early and he shares some seriously stupid memes. Nothing immediately worth breaking up over like Garrett’s would have been for me, but it’s hard to reconcile the sweet guy who calls me all the time and is so nice in person with the guy who over-memes “funny” garbage.  It’s made me question who he is as a person and if he’s the right one for me, and we haven’t been through The Bachelor pressure cooker.

Good heavens I hate social media sometimes. The lack of judgment from what would likely be otherwise decent people is astounding. 

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