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S01.E04: Episode 4/S01.E05: World Tells All 2018.02.22

46 minutes ago, adhoc said:

So, in Luke's interview, he basically implies that Stassi's account of how they left things at the end the show was a lie.  Nice.

I have a theory of my own about Luke. 

We knew, courtesy of bloggers such as Reality Steve, that Luke was dating Holly Allen prior to going on the show. From what I've read, it's not like they were ever publicly broken up.  (Kind of like Ben Higgins, who was reported to be dating a gal named Lindsey Duke right up until the Bachelor Winter Games started filming.)

I personally believe--and this is just my opinion, you may disagree--that Luke told his girlfriend, Holly, he was going on this new Bachelor spin-off for just a couple of weeks, did not plan to hook up with anyone during the short filming period, and it would be great publicity for him and his music career. And I suspect she either didn't want him to go (but he did it anyway) or she begrudgingly agreed as long as he didn't actually pair up with anyone. 

Then I think he came home after the filming and had to break it to Holly at some point that, okay, he did make a "kind of" connection with one girl on the show, and Holly would see that when it aired, but it was no big deal, he was just faking it for the cameras, playing the game so he didn't get sent home, he never even slept with the Stassi, etc. I imagine Holly was upset to learn that he'd been snogging another woman and let him know it. 

Fast forward to the WTA segment, which I think was filmed a couple of months after the main filming (long enough for Clare to have a change of heart about Benoit).  By then, Luke had soothed Holly's ruffled feathers (again, just my theory), but he also knew that she would be watching the WTA. So he had to be very careful in what he said or did during that taping so that Holly would be appeased.  The less he engaged with Stassi, by action or words, the better. 

I don't believe for a nanosecond that Luke Pell had any "epiphany" during the filming, as he stated in the interview--an epiphany in which he realized that he "still" loved his ex, because I don't believe Holly was his ex. I believe that, like other male contestants in the Bachelor franchise, he went on the show while he had a girlfriend. This new story is just spin to salvage his career.  

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. (Unless someone has information to the contrary. :-) ) 

Oh I thought the very same thing but slightly different. His girlfriend may have known before hand and he conned her with the scenario you gave but I think more likely she knew and didn't agree for him to go on but with his track record he was cocky enough to think that she would take him right back when he fed her more lines, "she never meant anything to me" and "I had to pretend for the cameras and make it seem real". And it worked which is why guys like him keep thinking they can get away with that kind of behaviour. Because they never have to face consequences.

But I absolutely believe part of his attitude at WTA was due to him trying to keep up the story he had fed her. Either way he's a deceiver and manipulator and she would be smart to run as far away from him as possible.

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One of my pet peeves is use of the "strongest couple in the house" nonsense. Like they are in high school comparing who has the best relationship. But I guess I should have realized Luke was a bullshitter by his constant use of the phrase which is more indicative of trying to win some popularity contest to gain fans/followers over anything actually genuine. So glad they outted him for the huge phony he is and his little scheme backfired.  

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56 minutes ago, GracieK said:

One of my pet peeves is use of the "strongest couple in the house" nonsense. Like they are in high school comparing who has the best relationship. But I guess I should have realized Luke was a bullshitter by his constant use of the phrase which is more indicative of trying to win some popularity contest to gain fans/followers over anything actually genuine. So glad they outted him for the huge phony he is and his little scheme backfired.  

Yeah he actually had to pay the piper this time. Now if Bachelor Nation and TPTB would just make it stick and not cater to this asshole.

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I'm with Adhoc's story about Luke and the fake ex, but I'm thinking the girlfriend went along with it so Luke would get more teevee time, more Instagram followers, more music gigs and become more famous than just D List and she'd be along for that ride. Luke is living in Nashville so you know he's pimping his music ... which, interestingly, this franchise has never mentioned once, I wouldn't know if it weren't for you posters telling me. Anyway, girlfriend figures he'll come home this super popular guy and she'll be famous too by association.

So, how's that working for you Luke and Holly?

ETA: I tried not to watch that soft-porn kissing match, it was so gross, but I do remember Stassi passionately kissing Luke while he pretty much just stood there. To me, that's more proof girlfriend at home would be watching.

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During the kissing contest, I remember one of the judges (Jo Jo, I believe) commented that she seemed more into him than he into her. Wow, she has great perception, considering she just saw them together for the first time.

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Jojo's season was so terrible that I barely managed to fast forward through the episodes but I clearly remember my perception of Luke taking a nosedive as the season progressed. By the end I couldn't stand him and would not have watched him as the Bachelor (and I'll give pretty much anyone a try). He didn't even do anything in particular that bugged (not that I remember anyway)... he just seemed nasty as hell.

Then, of course, after that season there were all those stories of him being a highly manipulative player. And in the meantime, he's also seemed shifty or dull as dirt in every interview and podcast. I really wished they'd left him by the proverbial roadside rather than bringing him back for BWG.

But the did. And what a surprise.  He was shifty and nasty and manipulative some more and still playing the "ah shucks, that's not what I meant" routine. 

Its actually pretty hard to reconcile the reality tv *uck-boy that he is with the idea that he's also a West Point athlete.

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I found it hilarious that Lily was complaining about having the sex appeal of a wet sock in her ice dancing outfit.  Honey, we've all seen your mom jeans and hideous denim culottes.  They don't exactly scream sex appeal, so that ice dancing outfit is nothing!

Seeing Courtney on the ice, I saw just how skinny his legs are.  Dude needs to eat a sandwich or two because he looks like a slight puff of wind might break him.

SO, NOW Ashley decides to shut up about her fucking virginity.  You should have shut up a long time ago.  I'm not complaining, I'm actually quite enjoying an Ashley who doesn't speak much.  Long may it continue!

I don't buy it for a second that Clare will get married.  She enjoys the drama too much.  And I feel bad for Benoit that he needs to chase someone like her.  He seems to dearly lack self esteem.  Poor guy.

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I just don't get the constant selling of Ashley I as a sweet member of the Bachelor family. She might be lovely 90% but god help anyone who likes some guy who either doesn't like her at all or likes her somewhat but less than he likes someone else. She was thoroughly nasty to Whitney, to Claire and to Caila and was gearing up to be pretty nasty to Bibi too. And that's before we get into what a manipulative, calculating shrew she can be when trying to come between some guy and a girl he might be interested in.

Also, on a petty note: I always thought she was beautiful but she is not aging well at all and with those giant stretched lips all coated in layers of red she's looking psycho. 

edited to add: there is not spoiler. I don't know how it got on there and it won't let me delete the box.

Spoiler

 

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On 22/02/2018 at 11:01 PM, yorklee2 said:

Thank you show for that. So glad she didn't go to the fantasy suite with him. That would have made it even harder. 

That's what she said.

On 22/02/2018 at 11:18 PM, chocolatine said:

I don't know if it was editing or what, but it seemed like a sudden 180 from her. Why couldn't she have told Jordan that they could keep talking long-distance, potentially visit each other, and take it from there? It didn't sound like Jordan was asking for a lifetime commitment that very second.

Mark my words, if Ashley and Kevin decide to get married, TPTB will be throwing money at them to televise the wedding.

He's such a loser. Stassi dodged a bullet, and she must be so happy now that she stuck to her values and didn't go to the F-Suite with him. I loved her sassy comebacks - "was I alive for that?"

I have a bad feeling about Clare and Benoit. I'll be happy if they prove me wrong, but they were completely over the top after only two months of long-distance dating. I predict they'll fizzle out within the next six months.

Bibi seems highly unbalanced, and that's a conclusion I reached from watching her twice. There's creative editing, and then there is giving the producers that kind of material in the first place. Definitely don't want to see her again in any medium. Those meltdowns are just NOT entertaining to watch.

On 23/02/2018 at 1:26 AM, Llama said:

Oh Australia is soooo on my list too. I'd take Jordan!! LOL! 

Vancouver (that's supposed to be Vermont) on my to visit list too but for nature (photos) and a friend. Didn't know there's other 'beauty' to see. Thanks!! 

i'm still scratching my head at how quickly Bibiana lost it with Jordan. Though she was really working my nerves during their rehearsal. I'm surprised he didn't bring that up when talking to her. 

I really liked Jordan too, although I do prefer him with hair than not. I did notice that he is starting a bald spot (it's visible from the back) so it was probably pre-emptive hair styling. That accent more than makes up for any hair deficiencies anyway.

And yes, I would have expected that Jordan would have been the one to drop her after seeing how horribly she treated him thru the dance practice. Who cares? This isn't really the Olympics. It was almost as if she made the whole thing up so she wouldn't have been embarrassed by their performance on ice.

On 23/02/2018 at 9:37 AM, ByTor said:

LOL!

I have a sneaking suspicion this has nothing to do with race and everything to do with ABC (or whoever it is that owns the show) getting them on the green card fast track.  I really thought these two were genuine, but now that I'm hearing about this move to LA, my cynical self says they have "wrong reasons" written all over them.  I'm pretty disappointed, I must say.

So did I, until I heard the condescending tone she used with Christian...I'm not sure how popular this is, but I didn't think he was so bad.  And I didn't get her talking about their "misunderstanding."  He said he'd meet her in the Jacuzzi and she said "it's a date."  I'm not sure what could have been misunderstood.

I don't think it's wrong reasons with Lily and Courtney. When I was last there, it was customary to take a year of saved vacations and go traveling around the world. Maybe they thought this would be a great opportunity to spend the year in the U.S. with their visa, and take part in Bachelor Nation activities. If they had any interest in breaking into the entertainment world back home, this is a chance to get some rare opportunities under their belt. I think they have a good chance of actually remaining a couple when the year is done. I am not so sure about Kevin and Ashley, and I think Dean and Lesley are just here for a good time, not a long time. I also don't think Lesley is being exploited. If you are a little insecure about your body after a double mastectomy, getting together with the best looking guy there (no matter how shallow), is going to do wonders for your self confidence. She can take those memories into the future, when she is ready for an actual partner.

On 23/02/2018 at 9:48 AM, Jaclyn88 said:

Luke is the worst type of guy ... the " I like you so much ... we have such a strong connection " type that makes you fall for them and when they do what he did to stassi, you just keep replaying in your head all the nice guy stuff they said to you and realize that person is a sociopath . I mean it's funny to even really criticize him because the taping was only 10 days long .. but I guess when you're hanging out with people 24 hours a day for 10 days you can get close and we all saw the things he said to her . My guess as to why he said all those things and stayed with her as a couple was because he knew he'd get kicked off and sent home and couldn't get his full screen time that he wanted . 

I had to laugh when Clare gave her speech about people who want to come on the show for more instagram followers are terrible because even though I think she did really want to find someone , she's been on the show at least 4 times !! That screams reality fanewhore to me 

Yes to the max.

On 23/02/2018 at 9:51 AM, yorklee2 said:

Yeah I'm sure Bibiana thinks everyone feels so sorry for her. Or at least that was her intentions. She came off more a whiner than anything. I don't feel sorry for her. 

That was such a lame move from Dean. I noticed she seemed kind of let down after expecting a proposal but quickly hid it. He thought he was being so clever and per his usual immature self didn't stop to think how that would make her feel. Especially on national TV. I wonder how long she's going to waste her time with him.

Sometime after JoJo's season I saw a video on YouTube I think it was where two women that Luke had dated joined together to make a video about what a player he was. They were warning other ladies to steer clear of him. 

I guess I'm shallow, because I only thought very good looking or very charming men are players. Luke is neither. He looked the best in his skating outfit, but overall I didn't really think of him as attractive. I also read some of the comments before watching the last two episodes, and I was surprised that he was even worse than I expected. And he did seem believable to me when he was acting as if he really cared about Stassi and was incredibly attracted to her. It's not as if he turned down the Fantasy Suite, she did, so I would be really pissed off if I was his girlfriend back home.

I was watching Lesley closely. She looked as if she was totally in on the joke from the get-go, in my opinion. I don't think she was dismayed or surprised by the fake proposal. Probably the key to Dean's place is the best any woman could get in this point of time from him. If that really is his key....

On 23/02/2018 at 9:57 AM, TheFinalRose said:

Bibiana did that on Arie's show too.... the sudden temper tantrum and crying for what seems like a slight offense. She got so annoyed so fast with Jordan in the dance practice that I felt sorry for him. Me thinks Jordan dodged a bullet with her and maybe two or three days of pleasant interactions is probably Bibi's limit and then her fuse blows and she flys off the handle. 

 

Me too. What is with her "I wanted a guy who would never give up on me" insistence? Makes me wonder if her thing is to test the guy constantly to see what his limit is before she is satisfied. Who would want a guy that would be ok with that? I


 

Please stick together Kevin and Ashley so that there is no possible way Ashley is ever recast on any of these shows. Please. Please. Please. #overherandherlipstick.  Oh, and their "win" was a scam. Luke and Stassi had the best ice skating performance. 

Man, Luke was cold. He was definitely thrown under the bus by the producers. Maybe he'll show up on BIP but what woman would want him after seeing that? Makes me glad now to know that he had his bags packed and his airline boarding pass and then got the call that Nick V was the Bachelor. Luke would have been a disaster. 

I dunno with those two. They both seem like jokesters and I wouldn't be surprised if they planned the faux engagement together for a good laugh. Lesley didn't have the requisite weak at the knees moment before the ring box opened.

Yes!

On 23/02/2018 at 2:24 PM, escatefromny said:

Thanks for the info, “entertainer visa” who knew? although from time to time you do hear about actors having visa issues in connection with shooting a film in America.  A bit of a golden ticket these days, so good for Courtney and Lilly taking advantage and taking the time to see some of America while getting to know each other better.

That's what I think too.

So I am hoping I never have to see Luke, Bibiana, Clare or Ashley I again. Totally overwore their welcome.

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That's what she said

Oh no I never even thought about how that looked. Bad choice of words.

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19 minutes ago, PreBabylonia said:

I guess I'm shallow, because I only thought very good looking or very charming men are players. Luke is neither. 

I’m with you. He reminds me of Beavis or Butthead (the dark-haired one; I can’t remember which is which). It’s the pompadour hairstyle with the slight widow’s peak and his pinchy mouth.  I’ve seen certain pictures from flattering angles where he looks very handsome, but usually he just looks a little off to me. 

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1 hour ago, PreBabylonia said:

 

Bibi seems highly unbalanced, and that's a conclusion I reached from watching her twice. There's creative editing, and then there is giving the producers that kind of material in the first place. Definitely don't want to see her again in any medium. Those meltdowns are just NOT entertaining to watch.

 

I couldn't agree more.. unbalanced seems like the right word.  It struck me as possibly hormonal.. like maybe she gets a severe case of PMDD.  She was happy, light, falling in love, and then the next minute turned into a rage monster during their rehearsal followed by hysterical bouts of tears.  Sounds like me when I suffered severely bad PMS at around 17-27 yrs old.  

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1 hour ago, GracieK said:

I couldn't agree more.. unbalanced seems like the right word.  It struck me as possibly hormonal.. like maybe she gets a severe case of PMDD.  She was happy, light, falling in love, and then the next minute turned into a rage monster during their rehearsal followed by hysterical bouts of tears.  Sounds like me when I suffered severely bad PMS at around 17-27 yrs old.  

I just think she saw an opportunity to hog the cameras. That was her "moment" and she knew it. Most of the house had left and she realized all the other couples would stick it out to the end, so she created stuff to get upset about and drag out her exit.

 

She'll definitely be returning to TV. Did you see her dress on the Bachelor Tell All? No way she ditches BIP and a chance to wear a bikini on TV.

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7 hours ago, PreBabylonia said:

That's what she said.

Bibi seems highly unbalanced, and that's a conclusion I reached from watching her twice. There's creative editing, and then there is giving the producers that kind of material in the first place. Definitely don't want to see her again in any medium. Those meltdowns are just NOT entertaining to watch.

I really liked Jordan too, although I do prefer him with hair than not. I did notice that he is starting a bald spot (it's visible from the back) so it was probably pre-emptive hair styling. That accent more than makes up for any hair deficiencies anyway.

And yes, I would have expected that Jordan would have been the one to drop her after seeing how horribly she treated him thru the dance practice. Who cares? This isn't really the Olympics. It was almost as if she made the whole thing up so she wouldn't have been embarrassed by their performance on ice.

"That's what she said" sends me into a cackle everytime LOL!

YESSS to the hair on Jordan - well especially facial hair for me. Goodness he's yummy though to me. Truth on the accent!!

He could have been the pot to her lid accepting that craziness in rehearsal BUT fortunate for us he's on the market LOL!! 

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5 hours ago, PreBabylonia said:

Well, that didn't last long. Ashley and Kevin have already split up. Supposedly the distance between L.A. and Toronto was too far. 

http://www.eonline.com/news/920225/the-bachelor-winter-games-winners-ashley-iaconetti-and-kevin-wendt-split

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I wanted them to pick Tia for the Bachelorette. Also, I so sad for Ashley I was hoping this was her real time for love I hope she comes back on Paradise and they put someone for her she deserves it.

Why???

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Lol.  Did you read any of the comments that Ashley I and Kevin made? Whatever you may think of Ashley, she is smart and eloquent. And Kevin, well, didnt come across that way.  He seems to have used the word “ignite” where he meant “extinguished” 

http://people.com/tv/bachelor-winter-games-ashley-iaconetti-and-kevin-wendt-explain-why-they-broke-up/

 

Which, well, i imagine if you are doing a relationship by phone, and one of you isnt eloquent, and the other has a Masters in Communication, coukd quickly extinguish whatever spark there was. 

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On 2/22/2018 at 11:18 PM, chocolatine said:

I have a bad feeling about Clare and Benoit. I'll be happy if they prove me wrong, but they were completely over the top after only two months of long-distance dating. I predict they'll fizzle out within the next six months.

 

Six months was a generous estimate.

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Where are we discussing the massive crash and burn of TWO of the couples in such short order?  Dean and Leslie, and Claire and Benoit.  What a shock!  Looks like Courtney and Lily are the only couple left standing--the golden roses should have totally gone to them!

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In an interview Clare gave after the engagement, as soon as she said "I don't care where we end up, I just can't do snow," I thought they would never get married.  Of course, also spending more time together probably revealed other, more fundamental ways they were not compatible.  

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I thought it was obvious from the start, on the show, that Clare and Benoit were completely incompatible.  It was just odd the way that Benoit acted towards her, almost like a stalker, he was convinced from the start that he was in love with her.  I never saw anything even remotely close to love in Clare's actions towards Benoit.  I think she was just flattered and slightly confused.  

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I can't help but wonder if Clare succumbed a bit to peer pressure. Look at the responses here. Benoit was beloved by many. Clare was a fool for choosing the other guy over Benoit! How could she! All that kind of stuff. So maybe she thought she was wrong in not choosing him and went all in the other way. She seems the all or nothing type so I don't think just casually dating Benoit a bit would have happened. It was engagement or break up. Eh, they tried. I am far more surprised and suspicious about the relationships that last from these shows than those that break up. There is something suspect to me in a relationship that is built on a few weeks of harem or group dating. It happens, but it is certainly rare, or should be.

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On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 5:59 PM, Real4real said:

Dean and Leslie, and Claire and Benoit.  What a shock!

Don't forget Ashley and what's-his-name.

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39 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Don't forget Ashley and what's-his-name.

They've already broken up.  It was announced a few weeks ago... they said it was the distance.

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54 minutes ago, DEL901 said:
1 hour ago, ByTor said:

Don't forget Ashley and what's-his-name.

They've already broken up.  It was announced a few weeks ago... they said it was the distance.

I know, but I commented on a post that mentioned there were two breakups, just saying there was another.  Oh, I guess I should also count Stassi and Luke.

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Hmmmm it's almost like going on a show like The Bachelor Winter Olympics won't do anything for your love life.....it's just temporary, like junior high partnerships.

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1 hour ago, PreBabylonia said:

Hmmmm it's almost like going on a show like The Bachelor Winter Olympics won't do anything for your love life.....it's just temporary, like junior high partnerships.

What?  Well now I'm completely disillusioned :)

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I only mentioned the two couples because they were so recent and in the same week--the other couples broke up pretty soon after the show aired!  I see that (former Bachelorette) Rachel has declared that she is "shocked" that Dean and Leslie broke up!  I think that she might be the only one that didn't see that coming!

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7 minutes ago, Real4real said:

I see that (former Bachelorette) Rachel has declared that she is "shocked" that Dean and Leslie broke up!  I think that she might be the only one that didn't see that coming!

I'm guessing she was being sarcastic, she snarked on Dean all during her Winter Games appearance.

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Not that I'm eager to defend Dean, but I'm wondering how a new relationship can survive when one party is flying hither, thither, and yon all the time. I never understood how they were going to make that work with Lesley not even being there that much. It was basically going to be a long-distance romance. I don't see it.

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On 4/11/2018 at 9:26 PM, adhoc said:

Not that I'm eager to defend Dean, but I'm wondering how a new relationship can survive when one party is flying hither, thither, and yon all the time. I never understood how they were going to make that work with Lesley not even being there that much. It was basically going to be a long-distance romance. I don't see it.

It's possible.  My husband and I started dating long distance, and really our relationship has been as much ever since.  We eventually moved in together and married, but as a consultant, he's gone every Monday through Thursday.  If you want to be together it's easier than ever in our technologically and transportationally advanced world!

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Lily is only 21???  I thought she looked at least 30.

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I’m home from work today and I’m watching Let’s Make a Deal(don’t judge me). Courtney just got picked as a contestant. 

He just won a motorcycle. I can’t tell if Lily was with him. 

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