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What Did You Like About the Squad Members?

Once in a while I can see myself in my favorite  squad members and their actors.  Maybe that's why I love this show so much.  What about you?

Provenza:  He's a smart mouth.

Flynn:  He can be a tough guy.

Tao:  Tends to over explain sometimes.

Sanchez:  He's always been like a loyal protective bulldog.

Sykes:  In real life she's a singer. 

I just wish I had started this thread before the eleventh hour.

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I love how Sanchez can tap into his baser emotions and go from zero to homicidal rage immediately when that's the technique needed for an interrogation. It's a nice piece of continuity. In earlier seasons, he had to take anger management classes to learn how to control his temper. Now he knows how to go "bad cop" when the situation calls for it, and then dial it back down.

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59 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

 

I think either Flynn or Provenza should retire.  To be honest, I can't remember Andy being that great of a detective in either series, but with health issues and needed to process Sharon's death without turning to the bottle, working might be too much. 

I could care less if I see Nolan again. 

 

It has been awhile since The Closer was pulled from syndication but if memory serves when Chief Johnson was putting together her dream team of specialist Lieutenant Flynn was not among them. Sergeant Gabriel was basically in a high profile unit being mentored by then Captain Taylor being the other detective without an additional specialty. Flynn was either a Robbery Homicide Division team leader or a local homicide detective leader like Bosch on the Amazon series when Priority Homicide was looking at one of his old cases. I got the impression that he wasn't particularly liked in the department, and Chief Johnson took him in after some conflict with Taylor I think.

So on most cases he was just an additional hand. a hand with rank and pay but a trooper. But more importantly first as Lieutenant Provenza's friend before they started with "Sharon ". The feeling that I got was that Major Crimes was not their first meeting even if they stated it was back on The Closer.

 

As for the ex undercover Detective Nolan added to the high profile squad as a thank you by the department, everything has been primed for him to pop out of nowhere at a crucial moment in the finale. By the time he arrived Lieutenant Tao's scientific background and Detective Sanchez's Gang Unit specialist knowledge was about all the specialties left. Detective Skyes may have been with SIS but her Army MP days in Afghanistan played more into the stories then being able to hide in plain sight and follow people.

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I like the thread title, "WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT THE SQUAD MEMBERS?" especially that it's past tense (did), because some of my favorite characters' traits really are past tense. You know. Like:

  • The Flynn and Provenza shennanigans.
  • And strong Sharon with the bean bag gun.
     
  • Julio was the only character whose growth/metamorphosis I appreciated.
  • At least we still have the original flavor Provenza.
  • As for Sykes and Tau: They may have served mostly as plot devices, but they were my plot devices, and I liked them just the way they were. Thank goodness there was no silly drama with them. Even Sykes' boyfriend stuff was thankfully mostly off screen. Come to think of it, did we ever see any the couples kiss on MC?
  • Rusty gets voted Most Improved Hair since Lyle Menendez.
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3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Come to think of it, did we ever see any the couples kiss on MC?

Beyond casual pecks, no.  Which, when compared to Brenda and Fritz on The Closer, and considering the couples on this show are two older couples (one of whom is interracial) and a gay couple, the far more restrained nature of the physical intimacy is disturbing.

What did I like about everyone?

Sharon - Everything.  One of these days I'll compile my many "OMG, I love her so much" thoughts into a cogent essay on why she's so fabulous, but today is not that day.  One thing - beyond the obvious, which is her commitment to the rule of law and the principles on which the judicial system rests - which is on my mind because of a recent conversation: She loves her kids, and adores having them around, but does not feel guilty that work sometimes takes her away from them.

Provenza - His sense of humor, his hat, and the fact the curmudgeon does nonetheless form deep attachments.  He doesn't run, but he does when Julio gets shot or Andy gets flung from a moving vehicle.

Andy - He finally grew up, but gradually and naturally.  The work he put into his sobriety and repairing his relationships.  Yet he still delighted in things like telling the tale of an actor "taking a whizz" on his director's car.

Mike - He continued to be his over-explaining, "On Badge of Justice," self, no matter what reactions that got him

Julio - It was a slow process, with some setbacks, but he ultimately recognized his "anger management" problems as an issue, personally and professionally, and worked to change it

Amy - She was unapologetically ambitious, but not ruthless.  She didn't let her boyfriend talk her into having kids she didn't want.  She was confident in her skills, and knew she could only improve by learning from the more-experienced detectives around her, so she watched and learned.

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Flynn was sort of an ally of Taylor's and an opponent of Johnson.  UNTIL the last or next-to-last episode of the first season, when Taylor threw Flynn under the bus (I forget details), and Johnson stepped in to save him, and put him on her team.  Everyone was surprised as Flynn had always been hostile to Johnson, but there you go.  Season 2 had him slowly warming up (he was very outraged when Pope's soon-to-be-ex outed a former Pope/Johnson relationship in front of the entire team, but otherwise...) & we progressed to having an annual Flynn & Provenza comedy episode, of which my favorite will forever be "SKYBOX TICKETS??!!!"

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@kassygreene, your post makes me wish that Andy had never had heart trouble (what was the point?), Sharon had died early in the last season (assuming Mary M really did want it "known that she was available for other projects,"—a big assumption), and then after a meaningful few episodes of Flynn and everyone mourning her, Flynn and Provenza had returned to their shenanigans.

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Good topic, I will give my opinions on all of them, main and major recurring characters. 

 

Sharon : Excellent leader and boss, very firm and by the book but fair and understanding as well, liked her respect for the law and her dedication to upholding it but also not being blind to human emotions as well instead of just following the rule book.

Provenza : Love everything about him, such a complex and interesting character. He can be a politically incorrect, insensitive loudmouth but he can also be incredibly kind, compassionate and caring, he is a very good detective who can sometimes come across as lazy and not wanting to work but can also have insights that lead to cracking cases, is an excellent leader as we are especially seeing now and can be very dedicated. I love his relationships with Flynn and Sanchez and I also liked seeing how his relationships with Brenda and Sharon went from skepticism and irritation to respect and admiration. 

Flynn : He’s had a ton of character development, I like how he went from being an antagonist ( but still likable ) in season 1 of The Closer to now a very likable and popular protagonist. I like his cynical edge and I wish they showed it more, ever since his romance with Sharon he’s been toned down too much, before that he was edgier and this season he’s just nothing but soft and nice. I love the humor that he adds, his deadpan delivery is very funny and I love his friendship with Provenza.

Tao : Very reliable and steady, the most stable and dependable of any of the squad, expert on all things science and technology, on very good terms with all of the squad, mild mannered and very trustworthy and reliable, very underappreaciated as well, his expertise adds a lot to the show.

Sanchez : Very deep and multi faceted character. Can be both the hot tempered tough cop and a very compassionate, kind and sometimes emotional guy, he can be both brash, outspoken, cocky and passionate but also reserved, quiet and polite, both very serious a lot of times but has a good sense of humor as well. Very complex character, adds good insight and I’ve always liked what’s he brought to the show. Also, I love his relationship with Provenza.

Sykes : She brings a fresh perspective on things, I like how she’s not afraid to speak out and stand up for what she believes, strong and tough character, she was a great addition. 

Buzz : Underappreciated, very helpful to the team and I’m glad he’s gotten more focus in Major Crimes than he did in The Closer, he can add humor as well. 

Taylor : He was always interesting, went from being a sleazy underhanded antagonist to a sort of “frenemy”. He always added an interesting dynamic to the show, whether he was an ally or adversary.

Morales : Has a lot of personality, always makes his scenes entertaining as well as useful, and he adds a lot of humor. 

Nolan : Like that he also brings something different and a new perspective to the squad. He’s just irritated me this year though, he’s behaved very oddly. 

Paige : Only positive thing I can say about her is that she’s willing to be forceful and speak out with the higher ups, and I like her scenes with Provenza and Mason. Other than that I can’t stand her.

Mason : Don’t know much about him and he doesn’t have any defining characteristics, but I like that he adds humor, he’s funnier than Taylor was.

Fritz : Always very reliable, efficient and dependable, very friendly and likable guy but can also be deadly serious and tough. 

Hobbs : Very good prosecutor, I like the legal stuff she adds and I like her personality, straightforward and blunt but a helpful ally to Major Crimes.

Kendall : Cool guy, I’ve always wanted to know more about him, he’s in a lot of episodes helping Major Crimes but we know virtually nothing about him, not even his first name, I wish we had known a bit more about him.

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On 1/7/2018 at 4:15 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Good topic, I will give my opinions on all of them, main and major recurring characters. 

Tao : Very reliable and steady, the most stable and dependable of any of the squad, expert on all things science and technology, on very good terms with all of the squad, mild mannered and very trustworthy and reliable, very underappreaciated as well, his expertise adds a lot to the show.

Sanchez : Very deep and multi faceted character. Can be both the hot tempered tough cop and a very compassionate, kind and sometimes emotional guy, he can be both brash, outspoken, cocky and passionate but also reserved, quiet and polite, both very serious a lot of times but has a good sense of humor as well. Very complex character, adds good insight and I’ve always liked what’s he brought to the show. Also, I love his relationship with Provenza.

You left out Rusty! I got a huge chuckle out of that.

Great analysis, BTW, and it gave me a random thought. The actors playing Sanchez and Tao were awesome and I can't imagine them another way. They could have been caricatures, but wouldn't it have been interesting if they had flipped the stereotypes? To have the Hispanic character be the tech nerd who is even-keeled and have the Asian character be hot headed and volatile? 

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On 1/7/2018 at 4:15 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Tao : Very reliable and steady, the most stable and dependable of any of the squad, expert on all things science and technology, on very good terms with all of the squad, mild mannered and very trustworthy and reliable, very underappreaciated as well, his expertise adds a lot to the show.

I've always thought that he was one of the two key members of the ensemble who I couldn't imagine the show going on without, along with Provenza. He always seemed to be one of the most realistic cops on TV in that while he was a very relatable ordinary guy and as you say "mild mannered" most of the time he was capable of kicking ass when necessary and establishing "command presence" without resorting to screaming or violence. It helped that Michael Paul Chan was such a gifted performer able to handle comedy and drama with subtlety and nuance and capable of making exposition entertaining and interesting.

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4 hours ago, slothgirl said:

You left out Rusty! I got a huge chuckle out of that.

Great analysis, BTW, and it gave me a random thought. The actors playing Sanchez and Tao were awesome and I can't imagine them another way. They could have been caricatures, but wouldn't it have been interesting if they had flipped the stereotypes? To have the Hispanic character be the tech nerd who is even-keeled and have the Asian character be hot headed and volatile? 

Can’t think of much to say about Rusty, I don’t loathe him like some do but I’m not a fan of him either and he’s certainly not why I watch the show. 

I haven’t thought about flipping the characteristics of Tao and Sanchez, I think because they are such good characters that they aren’t stereotypes or caricatures at all, there is much more to Tao than his tech expertise and there is much more to Sanchez than his temper-tough guy persona. They are great characters and well very drawn out. 

44 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

I've always thought that he was one of the two key members of the ensemble who I couldn't imagine the show going on without, along with Provenza. He always seemed to be one of the most realistic cops on TV in that while he was a very relatable ordinary guy and as you say "mild mannered" most of the time he was capable of kicking ass when necessary and establishing "command presence" without resorting to screaming or violence. It helped that Michael Paul Chan was such a gifted performer able to handle comedy and drama with subtlety and nuance and capable of making exposition entertaining and interesting.

Yeah I’ve always loved Tao, he’s the most underappreciated person on the show. He does a very good job of having a commanding presence without getting angry, I think he would make a great leader of Major Crimes when/if Provenza ever retires and I think he should be the new field leader like we’ve seen the last few episodes when Provenza’s in the office. I hope the show ends with Provenza getting command of Major Crimes full time and Tao stepping into Provenza’s shoes as the Number 2.

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1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah I’ve always loved Tao, he’s the most underappreciated person on the show

Now that you mention it, I'm glad they gave Tao the Badge of Justice side gig to inadvertently needle Flynn with.

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3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I haven’t thought about flipping the characteristics of Tao and Sanchez, I think because they are such good characters that they aren’t stereotypes or caricatures at all, there is much more to Tao than his tech expertise and there is much more to Sanchez than his temper-tough guy persona. They are great characters and well very drawn out. 

They are good characters because of the quality of the actors. As I said, I can't imaginethem any other way because the actors created such well rounded memorable characters.

However the brief synopsis/outline of each of their characters is actually quite stereotypical, which is why, especially after seeing it laid out in print in your post, I thought: wouldn't it have been fun if the 2 characters were flipped! Maybe not with these actors, but actually I'll bet they would both have been capable of creating a character with the other's traits. They're that good.

It's just a musing. I'm not suggesting the actors, writers, or showrunners were wrong in their choices... it's just a "What if?" because it would have been an interesting twist in casting and character development. No matter how well it turned out based on the skill of the people involved, they definitely went the more stereotypical route rather than completely upending it.

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