Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

53 minutes ago, tv echo said:

FWIW - this is in regard to MG's comment in that EW article (posted upthread)...

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/158969008378/legends-of-tomorrow-boss-cast-on-that-shocking

I think that ship sailed in Arrow S3. It also doesn't explain Evelyn, Curtis, Cisco, etc. in masks.

That's exactly what she did with the spoilers she got for the beginning of the season. She told him a bunch of stuff, all her ideas, he said "yeah" and it became MG's original thoughts. More than that. She said he confirmed the wedding! LOL.

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When did he "confirm" a wedding?

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50 minutes ago, tv echo said:

FWIW - this is in regard to MG's comment in that EW article (posted upthread)...

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/158969008378/legends-of-tomorrow-boss-cast-on-that-shocking

I think that ship sailed in Arrow S3. It also doesn't explain Evelyn, Curtis, Cisco, etc. in masks.

I don't buy this explanation at all. It sounds like JBA throwing her headcanon at MG and him just kinda being like, "It sounds better than what I said and makes me not sound like an asshole, so yes."

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2 hours ago, tv echo said:

Felicity's costume and mask look green to me - in fact, that does look like Oliver's GA hood and her costume kinda looks like a female version of his suit (a regular girl wears an ex's old shirt, but Felicity wears an ex's superhero costume)...

 

Larger version of above tweeted pic...

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Dead superheroes - Ragman, Black Canary, Wild Dog, Vigilante, Green Arrow, The Flash, Spartan...
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Video of Felicity's entire appearance in LoT 216 last night (posted by Dc Plus Marvel on youtube)...

 

It looks kind of big on her too, so maybe it is Oliver's hood. Although I'm not sure how Darkh got a hold of the mask but not the hood. 

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12 minutes ago, Chaser said:

When did he "confirm" a wedding?

He never did. Jbuffy made it up from the little he told her about Olicity's relationship at the beginning of the season. It was an example of what she always does. She tells him her headcanons, he lets her talk and they magically become real (for her).

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12 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

He never did. Jbuffy made it up from the little he told her about Olicity's relationship at the beginning of the season. It was an example of what she always does. She tells him her headcanons, he lets her talk and they magically become real (for her).

Funny. That kinda reminds me of someone whose acting choices seemed stuck more on the headcanon they had in their head rather than what ended up actually happening onscreen...

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Imagine having direct access to an EP and wasting that potential so monumentally... 

She should've phrased it like a god damn question. Not put words in his mouth. 

How hard is it to ask "Why is it silly for Felicity but not Ray/Cisco/Curtis/Laurel/Evelyn who've also had zero experience with combat beforehand?"

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True. But on the other hand, she'd probably lose that direct access preety quickly if she changed her MO.

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I think if you ask politely you won't burn that bridge. Jbuffy has built up enough goodwill for him not to get pissy at her questioning him

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I sometimes wonder if he's tired of the more vocal parts of fandom in general and has started gaslighting them. Kind of like how some bands don't want to play their first hit albums and want you to focus on their new sound. 

(Tried to keep this vague so as not to sound board on board or anything)

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Finals are in and they make a lot more sense.

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LoT continues to rise and fall with Flash, it is most definitely lead in dependent. 

Although showbuzz daily added this note

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NETWORK FINALS:  THE FLASH just barely gained 0.1 in final numbers (the less-rounded rating was 0.86), avoiding a series low. LEGENDS OF TOMORROW, however, lost 0.1. 

Which makes me wonder if Flash will hit a 0.8 at some point this season?

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Oh dear my Fresh off the Boat is getting horrible ratings! It's a great show guys!!!!!

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How is Bull getting the same ratings 18 - 34 that Flash is?

5 hours ago, leopardprint said:

I wonder if they write to attract more general audience S1/S2 then go full throttle comic book nonsense and that's bleeding everyone but the diehards. Thanks for answering.

There's also the Berlanti factor.  I find my interest in both Flash and Supergirl lessened in s2 when Berlanti went off to play with his new shows.

The odd thing about Arrow was that its s4 rating were holding and were higher than s1 until the BMD happened and then they started plummeting.

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New series lows viewers  for Flash. The unrounded numbers look weird.. I wonder why Flash rounded up and LoT rounded down. NM, they're preliminary.

Arrow might be in trouble if they follow the trend. Last week's unrounded demo was a 0.48

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7 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

New series lows viewers  for Flash. The unrounded numbers look weird.. I wonder why Flash rounded up and LoT rounded down.

Arrow might be in trouble if they follow the trend. Last week's unrounded demo was a 0.48

Do you mean adjusted? If so that would have to do with over run or something else.

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2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Do you mean adjusted? If so that would have to do with over run or something else.

No, I meant the ones in @Velocity23 's post. But now I just realized they're the preliminary unrounded numbers.

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LoT might've rounded down because of its competition. It was up against Bones' series finale (after 12 seasons).

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41 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

How is Bull getting the same ratings 18 - 34 that Flash is?

There's also the Berlanti factor.  I find my interest in both Flash and Supergirl lessened in s2 when Berlanti went off to play with his new shows.

The odd thing about Arrow was that its s4 rating were holding and were higher than s1 until the BMD happened and then they started plummeting.

From the couple three episodes I've seen, I'd guess people watch Bull for the same reason I watch those endless Law and Order marathons, for background noise. 

I don't Arrow's season 4 ratings odd. We all know what happened there. 

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WOW THAT LOOKS VERY COOL. I am so excited for this show. I've been a fan of Cress for a while.

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3 hours ago, tv echo said:

FWIW - this is in regard to MG's comment in that EW article (posted upthread)...

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/158969008378/legends-of-tomorrow-boss-cast-on-that-shocking

I think that ship sailed in Arrow S3. It also doesn't explain Evelyn, Curtis, Cisco, etc. in masks.

I actually don't doubt this is true. I did think that's what Marc meant when I read the article. 

The problem is he said it in the douchiests and sexist way possible and then doubled down on that douchieness by instead of clarifying himself when people were tweeting him but instead publicly muting them. 

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Black Lightning looks pretty cool!

Berlanti's producing this, right? Have they said if it was going to be part of the Arrowverse or not exactly, like Supergirl? If it will be, which show is going to introduce him?

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But I don't want to watch more superhero shows...*whispers* "...but it's Lavon Hayes..." 

Stop hiring super charismatic actors that suck me in! (shakes fist)

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Just now, leopardprint said:

But I don't want to watch more superhero shows...*whispers* "...but it's Levon Hayes..."

OMG!!!!! 

I didn't know it was him!!!!!!!! I LOVED Major Hayes!!!!!

Hart of Dixie was an awesome show! It had it's problems but it was so much fun! The Levon/Zoe friendship was the bestest ever! 

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FS outfit - The hood really does look like OQ's s4 oversized hood. It did look very familiar in motion as well. I wonder if they just recycled an old costume. However, count me in on the headcanon of FS wearing it in honor of OQ.

As for MG's Silly comments. It's absolutely absurd and insulting, with more than a touch of misogyny. Arrow has put just about everybody in a mask so to say it diminishes anything is bullocks. Now to say that FS is special without the mask and does not need it, would be a whole other topic. But to say never is just not accurate and speaks to MG's bias. Not that I really want to hear his rationale because it would probably enrage me more than I already am, however, there is a part of me that wants to hear why he believes it as a never and believes it would be silly. When s5 has double down on anyone being able to wear a mask and s4 had the city saving itself after a motivational car speech.

Now, I am a person who wants FS in a mask and feel like she excels far beyond the stringent criteria for it, nevermind the weak criteria Flarrowverse uses. However, I respect when people here have made valid points as to why FS does not need and should not get a mask. We can disagree on what we want for the character, because we have all made sound arguments based on facts and love for the character. Honestly, I believe both are good trajectories for the character. I don't think MG's opinion is even worth the breath it takes to read it, because clearly he probably have never even considered or thought about her character. He probably believes it's too silly to even consider. It's insulting to me as a fan of the show & FS, that "silly" is how he describes what is a valid trajectory or at least option for a character on a superhero show. Why is it silly, because she's too female, too small, too blonde, too intelligent. Tell me what makes it silly MG because frankly I think FS & EBR could kick your ass in under a minute, not even break a sweat, and do it in heels. Perhaps MG - you are the silly one.

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20 minutes ago, SleepDeprived said:

Black Lightning looks pretty cool!

Berlanti's producing this, right? Have they said if it was going to be part of the Arrowverse or not exactly, like Supergirl? If it will be, which show is going to introduce him?

I believe the plan is for him to be on his own earth. But they really should put him in Supergirls Earth. They writers have made it feel very small and need to expand on it.

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26 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

I believe the plan is for him to be on his own earth. But they really should put him in Supergirls Earth. They writers have made it feel very small and need to expand on it.

Oh. Gotcha. Thanks!

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All I can see after a certain point is how much alike these masks look. Like, that right there? BC's domino mask with added glass over the eyes. Maybe I wouldn't be seeing it if it wasn't for EK's recent photo wearing it.

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At this point EK wearing it to become the new BC, honestly feels like a potential story arc. I know it was a joke, but that's how easily they've tossed BC's mask onto people. Why not Curtis? He fulfills the show's basic requirements of being on the show, a poor fighter and prioritizing style choices before dress-up time.

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Although I didn't like that Felicity died in LoT, I understand it. It was a villains' world and villains do bad things. Also, the episode took place in Star City and Central City 2017. So if anyone from Team Arrow or Team Flash had survived, they would have teamed up with the Legends to fight the Legion of Doom in 216-217. And the other shows could only make an actor available to shoot a brief (but defiant) appearance on LoT.

IMO, one of the reasons for The Flash's problematic ratings this season is that the hero, Barry Allen, has become unlikeable (ever since Flashpoint). Similarly, I think that one of the reasons that Arrow's ratings fell after 415 last season was because Oliver had become too unlikeable (due to his BMD behavior). Yes, he had done some terrible things in the past (as SA pointed out in a facebook video), but we had watched him change and grow over four seasons by that time and his BMD actions just seemed a sudden, inexplicable regression and came across as pure plot device.

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I just watched the Buffy reunion feature.

This makes me excited.

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From the above Variety article:

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Batgirl is one of the most popular superheroines in the world, but has never gotten her own movie. The project will also feature other characters from the world of Gotham.

I wonder if Black Canary is going to be included in this movie. Aren't they both part of the Birds of Prey?

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JOSS IS IN CHARGE OF BABS' STORY?! YES PLEASE!!!!!?

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18 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:


I genuinely didn't think I could be interested in a DC movie. I haven't even been tempted to see anything since Man of Steel, but...I was wrong.

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WOW Batgirl already has a director and DC can't find a director for the Flash movie yet. I wonder which one will come out first.

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As long as Batgirl wasn't at any point forcibly sterilized in her backstory, I can get behind Joss directing this.

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