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Unspoiled Spec: "$40k, someone long dead is resurrected."

More importantly, I hope that the embargo on spoilers actually hurts the ratings. I get not wanting viewers to know every twist and turn, but teases and hints are fun. If the viewers don't have any idea at all as to what is coming up, what incentive do lapsed viewers like me have to tune back in?

Its like last summer when I came back from the barge for Figment!Georgie, the show was pretty bad at the time but I stayed because spoilers had some great some coming down the pike and then in August, the show starts getting good again.

Tiger, I whole heartedly agree with this. The hope of an upcoming storyline is what has kept me from living on the barge fulltime. It's a lot easier to completely tune out without that hope.

I personally believe they think this will improve ratings not understanding that people aren't going to waste 5 hours a week on a predictable horribly written mess. It's one thing to hang onto a show when it's 30 minutes or an hour a week it's another when it's 5 hours.

I'm not even looking forward to the NB or the upcoming acts. I simply trying to make it thru AJ's funeral without reaching through the TV & hitting Sonny upside the head.

Outside of plot point shock value, I don't understand why SonAva(Bitch) is having sex. Is it to push Morgan towards Kiki in an attempt to go back to the traingle. Is it the end of Sonny/Olivia? Is it the end of Olivia on the show?

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The thing is though, I am guessing a good number of people are like me. Unless school is out like this week, I very rarely get a chance to watch live. By the time I do get home I already know whether I want to watch from my Twitter feed and mesage boards. Today was a delete day. I have deleted without watching more days on the past couple of weeks than I have watched

I remember watching back in the day when you didn't get spoilers. You were too afraid to miss an episode.

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If Ava gets preggers, we could have a lovely WTD story?

 

That would be like Rosemary's Baby - except nowhere as good.  Interesting thought....a cartoon character gets pregnant by a walking bacteria....

YUP!  Ron C. would love it!

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I hope Ava is too old to get pregnant. I have no interest in seeing another baby, especially not one with Ava as a mother.

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Who can't figure this out? Some of us did four months ago: He's Bill Eckert.

Despite the many permutations that character went through, it was clear at a cursory glance that Bill was always a casual dabbler in the underworld at the least - and Tony Geary used to love talking at length about the darkness of Bill, the damaged nobility, the tortured soul within who filled the void in himself and his tragic past with filthy lucre and power, blah blah blah. I'm sure when the truth comes out TG will give another interview all about how the legacy of Bill has finally been fulfilled. He had a love for his son, yes, but Bill got pretty scummy. While I think they've turned the character into an OTT villain, I also think it's not that much of a reach and I'm sure Geary doesn't think so - TG never knows when to stop, but in this case, IMO, you don't have to reach far.

So far I've heard Damien Smith, Frank Smith, Det Taggert, Victor Jerome, Deke Woods and yes, Bill Eckert. All presented with plausible reasons. So it's really anybody's guess at this point.

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Here's your spot to wildly speculate about current and upcoming storylines. Maybe FauxLuke is actually AJ. And it's all part of an elaborate plan to expose Tracy for marrying her own nephew. Hey, you never know. 

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I think that Levi is a hit man. He may be working free lance which is why both Luke and Ava called him. Actually, I wouldn't mind having the zen hitman replace the holy hitman.

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So far I've heard Damien Smith, Frank Smith, Det Taggert, Victor Jerome, Deke Woods and yes, Bill Eckert. All presented with plausible reasons. So it's really anybody's guess at this point.

How could it be Taggert? He is black....and younger than Luke is. 

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Rubber mask, girl.  Dr O knows the wholesaler.

 

So far I've heard Damien Smith, Frank Smith, Det Taggert, Victor Jerome, Deke Woods and yes, Bill Eckert.

 

 

Don't forget Jerry Jax.

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Jerry Jax would never hit on Kaka. He would be all over Alexis. Now, if FauxLuke were being skeevy to Sam.....

Also, Jerry & Julian know each other. Julian was the one to help Jerry escape from the MetroCourt. Julian told Jerry he owed him big time.

Ron is writing this as if Julian is afraid of FauxLuke & that's not the dynamic I got from Julian/Jerry.

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Honestly, given Ron's total disregard for continuity, characterization and general realism, I wouldnt be surprised if "Luke" was revealed to be Mary Mae Ward!

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I don't think Ron has it in him to surprise anyone. I think he reads all the boards has his spies and whatever the posters write that's what he uses.. Everything he has written for GH , I seem to have read on the boards before  it came out. everyone said ben was Dante and Lulus. .I just remember a little of Bill Eckert. I don't remember him being evil. I could be wrong. I just loved Sly. I read somewhere he would return. If its true, could be Bill. I remember him dying in the caves.. Brain freeze about who did it?  Think Anna will arrest Carley and Franco for stealing evidence, or give them a medal ? I go with the medal because the keystone cops only arrest the innocent. Poor Finola.

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Frank Smith's men were looking to shoot Luke and shot Bill instead by mistake.  The the Bill Eckert thing actually bothers me because I always thought the scenes were so good and well done.  We saw Bill die.  Well, we've seen lots of people die, but Bill seemed pretty permanent back then. 

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I'm throwing Anthony Zaccara into the ever growing pool of Who The Hell Is Fake!Luke because it makes so much not-sense that I'd believe ReRon would go there. But then we might get Johnny Z back and that would make us happy so probably not.

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Tony Geary hated Bill's death scene. But Tony Geary hates most everything.

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I have because I remember that he was a very nasty piece of work. I think that it was alluded to that he sexually assaulted a young teen Claudia. I always wondered if he could have been Johnny Z real father.

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I saw where you posted that just now, lillybee. :) My sports guy who I follow that is also a huge GH fan - Trevor is his guess. I thought it was a pretty good one.

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Mikkos whould be way to old

 

Taggart was a good cop, he would not just "kill" someone

 

he has to be someone from one of the other "families"

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I keep wondering if FakeLuke won't turn out to be Sonny's evil stepfather Deke.

 

I would dearly dearly love to get Grant Putnam/Andrews back on canvas (it could provide an opening to bring on some more Qs), but I don't see how FakeLuke could be him.

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Did anyone notice Fluke telling Luke "you know what? You're right. I might need some DNA. Hell, I might need a kidney. God knows your liver is useless."

Red Herring or clue?

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I would dearly dearly love to get Grant Putnam/Andrews back on canvas (it could provide an opening to bring on some more Qs), but I don't see how FakeLuke could be him.

Plus, Grant was long gone before Sonny showed up.  Also, Grant and Luke were friends.

 

 

Red Herring or clue?

I doubt if even RC could answer that, because I seriously wonder if RC's made up his mind who FauxLuke is.  LOL

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In response to the spumor that Levi might turn out to be Mac's son, I have a much better idea of who's son he could turn out to be:  Jerry Jax.  And it could turn out that he is town to help promulgate one of his daddy's vile schemes while dear ol' dad is recovering from his fall from the rooftop...

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When Ava is murdered, as she inevitably will be, after stealing the Lante baby/embryo when her own pregnancy fails, Nina will turn out to be the killer.

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When Ava is murdered, as she inevitably will be, after stealing the Lante baby/embryo when her own pregnancy fails, Nina will turn out to be the killer.

 

Especially if Kiki turns out to be Nina's daughter.

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Wait, there are other GH viewers who watch it unspoiled?! I started doing it spoiler-free around two years ago, and I think it's so much better this way. Still a soap opera, but at least I can't guess all the plot points before they happen. Case in point: Jordan is a DEA agent! I loved learning that.

 

Speculation: I think EviLuke is one of the Smiths. I remember Damian, but I don't remember his father at all. I don't remember Damian being *that* bad, but then I remember what he and Lucy did to Bobbie, and my opinion changes. But Anthony Zacchara or Trevor Lansing are acceptable options as well. Wouldn't put it past Trevor to frame his own son at all.

 

Now that the baby's dead, how on earth are they going to pursue Patrick and Sabrina still?

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Wait, there are other GH viewers who watch it unspoiled?! I started doing it spoiler-free around two years ago, and I think it's so much better this way. Still a soap opera, but at least I can't guess all the plot points before they happen. Case in point: Jordan is a DEA agent! I loved learning that.

 

Speculation: I think EviLuke is one of the Smiths. I remember Damian, but I don't remember his father at all. I don't remember Damian being *that* bad, but then I remember what he and Lucy did to Bobbie, and my opinion changes. But Anthony Zacchara or Trevor Lansing are acceptable options as well. Wouldn't put it past Trevor to frame his own son at all.

 

Now that the baby's dead, how on earth are they going to pursue Patrick and Sabrina still?

I think Patrick and Sabrina are as dead as their son.  I was at another board and someone dropped that the writers were never invested in the baby to begin with (shocker, I know).  But they weren't going to be getting back together even if the boy lived.  I think Patrick's next story beat will be revving up for Jason and Robin, with Sam dropped in.  Which should have been the story since Jason was kicked into the harbor.  JT and KeMo have enough chem that I would have liked to seen them explored.  

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A terrible thought occurred to me after Nina's second refusal to contact Nathan in one conversation today. Could we have a faux Nina, capable of deceiving her husband but not her brother/cousin? If it were any other show, I'd rule the idea out immediately, but since it's GH . . .

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Someone posted on another board that Puke is really Luke's horrible father. Their reasons are Puke said something about keeping Luke alive because Puke may need a kidney and that Puke's hands looked older than Luke's.

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I think that Levi is a hit man. He may be working free lance which is why both Luke and Ava called him. Actually, I wouldn't mind having the zen hitman replace the holy hitman.

 

I don't remember Luke and Ava calling Levi? I did miss some episodes, though. When did this happen? What were the respective conversations? I wonder if I blocked them out. 

 

Someone posted on another board that Puke is really Luke's horrible father. Their reasons are Puke said something about keeping Luke alive because Puke may need a kidney and that Puke's hands looked older than Luke's.

 

The kidney thing is what makes me think it's Bill. 

 

Especially if Kiki turns out to be Nina's daughter.

This seems likely to me. In my head, Madeline hired Ava to seduce Silas in the first place. Next, Madeline's plan to make Nina miscarry backfired and ended with Nina in a coma, but she had a coma baby, which Madeline then paid Ava to raise as her own. This is how I make it work in my head that Ava was in love with Silas for all those years, but never tried to lure him back by telling him about their shared daughter: she was paid well not to do so.

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Both Puke and Ava made mysterious phone calls to someone asking that person to take care of something for them. Ava threatened Sabrina to keep Carlos in line and Puke threatened Emma to make Spenser keep quiet.

 

It just dawned on me that Spenser is the only one who knows that Puke is Julian's boss. I wonder if Ron forgot that as he forgot so many things.

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Both Puke and Ava made mysterious phone calls to someone asking that person to take care of something for them. Ava threatened Sabrina to keep Carlos in line and Puke threatened Emma to make Spenser keep quiet.

 

 

I'm a little slow this week, so please bear with my questions. By the above, I am taking it to mean that Ava, while talking to Carlos, threatened to harm Sabrina, and Luke, while talking to Spenser, threatened to harm Emma?

(Because otherwise, if Ava and Luke made threats to the faces of Sabrina and Emma, I am damned sorry I missed some episodes.)

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The kidney thing is what makes me think it's Bill.

 

I know bringing reality into GH is always problematic, but kidney donations don't have to be from family members. 

 

Ava, while talking to Carlos, threatened to harm Sabrina, and Luke, while talking to Spenser, threatened to harm Emma?

 

That's exactly what happened, Cindy. From what we've seen afterward, it looks as if FakeLuke was the one who's responsible for the car accident, as he's had a few phone calls that pointed in that direction. But it's Ron, so who knows.

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I don't remember Luke and Ava calling Levi? I did miss some episodes, though. When did this happen? What were the respective conversations? I wonder if I blocked them out. 

 

 

The kidney thing is what makes me think it's Bill. 

 

This seems likely to me. In my head, Madeline hired Ava to seduce Silas in the first place. Next, Madeline's plan to make Nina miscarry backfired and ended with Nina in a coma, but she had a coma baby, which Madeline then paid Ava to raise as her own. This is how I make it work in my head that Ava was in love with Silas for all those years, but never tried to lure him back by telling him about their shared daughter: she was paid well not to do so.

If I was an offspring in Port Charles, I'd get a DNA test.

 

I'm a little slow this week, so please bear with my questions. By the above, I am taking it to mean that Ava, while talking to Carlos, threatened to harm Sabrina, and Luke, while talking to Spenser, threatened to harm Emma?

(Because otherwise, if Ava and Luke made threats to the faces of Sabrina and Emma, I am damned sorry I missed some episodes.)

About 3-4 weeks ago, Luke was in a room with Spencer and wanted him to be quiet about something so he alluded to harm befalling Emma. This was the night of some dance.  Then we got scenes of Spencer over acting with worry and telling Cameron he needed to protect Emma. 

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Yes, I knew that. it was the wording that confused me. When I read "Ava threatened Sabrina," I read it like Ava made the threat to Sabrina's face. I was just trying to make sure the original post meant, "Ava told Carols she would harm Sabrina," because otherwise, I missed more than I thought.

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If the anvils they're dropping get any bigger they're going to fall through my tv - Kiki is so The Nina's daughter. Mama with the facelift from hell gave comababy to Ava and soon we'll be treated to the shocking! emotional! outoftheblue! knowledge that the Terror of Tiny Town is the spawn of DumpsterDiving Diva Nina and The Walking Dead Silas. Which means she'll also be related to Britt and The Wooden Soldier, and Dr. OLLLLLLLLLLLbrecht. What joy.

Hey, who needs the Quartermaines now that this NEW family has come to town??

We are witnessing the Rappaport Years, transferred from OLTL to GH.

 

Ron C., bringing us the WORST from all the soaps, for our viewing horror.

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Does that mean we'll see Kevin possessed by Satan?  *please say "yes", please say "yes"*

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Can someone explain to me, like I work for the PCPD, what the anvils are that Kiki is coma baby?

Side note, so glad I missed Spencer telling Cameron to "pwotect" Emma?

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There have been weird rumors about Kiki being someone, anyone else's baby since forever. First people claimed she might be Duke and Anna's lost child somehow, now it's this. I don't know that I buy any of it, I think that was all spec. I think someone else - I'm thinking of someone in particular but won't mention it in the unspoiled thread since they're not here yet - may end up being Silas and Nina's coma baby.

 

(There was also a persistent claim that Sabrina might turn out to be Duke and Anna's kid, thereby making her Robin's half-sister, which I think got sourced as something RC actually did play with for a while, but that never panned out.)

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I read somewhere that Sobby was going to be Sonny's child with Lily.

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I am convinced that the original plan was for Sobby to Sonny & Lily's daughter and for Lily to be Jew-lee-ehn's boss.  

 

Last summer at some event, Lily Melger told people she was come back.  And then they Sabrina talking about her mother while Sonny was talking about Lily.  And then naming Carlos 'Rivera'.  

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Look, this being Ron, I really wouldn't be surprised if they doubled back and all that played out.  Especially with Sobby going loco and heading to PR.

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Is bi-polar disorder hereditary?   It'd be interesting if instead of Sahbweeenah being run of the mill cray-cray, she was showing signs of bi-polar disorder that she got from her father's genes.  

 

To throw more fuel on the fire, I remember them making a point to say Sabrina's father had destroyed all the pictures of her mother.  Additionally, once her mother died her father abandoned her.

 

My theory was that her mother was a cousin of Lily's who agreed to raise the girl and after she died, her husband had no interest in a child that wasn't his.

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My theory was that her mother was a cousin of Lily's who agreed to raise the girl and after she died, her husband had no interest in a child that wasn't his.

 

That works.  Just ReRon Todd Manning's origin story.  Raised by a relative who never really wanted them (or relative's spouse, in this case.)

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Can someone explain to me, like I work for the PCPD, what the anvils are that Kiki is coma baby?

Side note, so glad I missed Spencer telling Cameron to "pwotect" Emma?

 

the shape of Nina and Kiki's heads[/mean]

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