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GH History Lessons: Because History is Always Repeating Itself

Just now, Melgaypet said:

Ugh. Am I the only one with a visceral dislike of Jensen Buchanan? I'm not even talking about a reaction to her off-screen behavior (which, is she still in jail?), but that she just turns me off. I never have been able to stand her, in any role.

I liked Tammy. I enjoyed the scenes where she was confessor to so many Port Charles men - Luke, Alan, Tony. Even Lucky in a few scenes. I was glad when she started running Kelly's and got her own little stories.

I can't STAND her. Was never so happy when she got booted.

I liked the original Tammy. I can't even remember what the recast looked like.

I think she had some personal problems in real life and the show fired her? I can't remember.

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2 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Ugh. Am I the only one with a visceral dislike of Jensen Buchanan?

I don't mind what I've seen of her as Megan's sister Sarah (Sarah Roberts' namesake, mind you) on OLTL.

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

I liked the original Tammy. I can't even remember what the recast looked like.

 

This is Tamara Clatterbuck, or Tammy 2.0. Prior to GH, she played Alice on Y&R (Cassie's adoptive mother before Sharon got her back), and then had a brief role on DAYS after she left GH.

 

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4 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Ugh. Am I the only one with a visceral dislike of Jensen Buchanan? I'm not even talking about a reaction to her off-screen behavior (which, is she still in jail?), but that she just turns me off. I never have been able to stand her, in any role.

I liked Tammy. I enjoyed the scenes where she was confessor to so many Port Charles men - Luke, Alan, Tony. Even Lucky in a few scenes. I was glad when she started running Kelly's and got her own little stories.

Re: Buchanan, I'm sure you're not, but I never felt that way. I thought she was great, a better actor than a lot of daytime would-be legends, and even did as well with Melissa Bedford as anyone could have in the circumstances.  The personal situation is unfortunate.  

I liked Tammy too, but I completely lost interest in seeing her when she was recast. Tamara Clatterbuck was hard and charmless in that role.  

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On 2/18/2018 at 10:48 PM, UYI said:

How many people actually know what Luke did to Laura? Was it considered an open secret in town for years? Does Robert know? 

Unless it was addressed at some point after Robert un-died, Robert has no idea.  But he hasn’t really been around enough for some random scene where he finds out, or the writers don’t care if he knows.  

The people who knew in the 80s were Bobbie, Scott and eventually Laura’s parents Lesley and Rick and Bert. Then everyone started calling it a “seduction” and pretended there was no rape until the late 90s.  And then Lucky and Liz found out, but I don’t know if they told others.  Did they?

Apparently Lulu eventually found out so probably Tracy heard about it at some point, if it was still when Luke and Tracy were a thing.  

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1 minute ago, SlovakPrincess said:

Unless it was addressed at some point after Robert un-died, Robert has no idea.  But he hasn’t really been around enough for some random scene where he finds out, or the writers don’t care if he knows.  

The people who knew in the 80s were Bobbie, Scott and eventually Laura’s parents Lesley and Rick and Bert. Then everyone started calling it a “seduction” and pretended there was no rape until the late 90s.  And then Lucky and Liz found out, but I don’t know if they told others.  Did they?

Apparently Lulu eventually found out so probably Tracy heard about it at some point, if it was still when Luke and Tracy were a thing.  

And it was Nik who told Lucky; and marblemouth Teethan, who clued Lulu in.

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Ew, why would Ethan know and why would he have told Lulu??   Does that mean Holly told him — although she was never around at the times the show was acknowledging it as rape.   

Not that the writers actually give a crap, but whatever .. 

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1 minute ago, SlovakPrincess said:

Ew, why would Ethan know and why would he have told Lulu??   Does that mean Holly told him — although she was never around at the times the show was acknowledging it as rape.   

Not that the writers actually give a crap, but whatever .. 

I think Teethan was told by Lucky? Luke? And he told Lulu, assuming she already knew. 

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I love how none of these idiots in her family put any thought into whether and / or how Lulu should be told this, or whether Laura was ok with her daughter having this information.   

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Lulu told Ethan. When Kristina accused Ethan of hitting her, Lulu said she couldn't help but think there might be a chance it was true because she really didn't know him that well, and if Ethan really was that much like Luke then that meant that maybe Ethan was capable of violence too, since Luke had raped their mother.

1 minute ago, SlovakPrincess said:

I love how none of these idiots in her family put any thought into whether and / or how Lulu should be told this, or whether Laura was ok with her daughter having this information.   

That's not what happened. Lulu found out by accident at a hearing over who should have guardianship over Laura while she was in the mental hospital. I think Scotty brought up that Luke shouldn't have guardianship partly because of the rape.

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On 3/12/2018 at 10:51 AM, TeeVee329 said:

Speaking of Mike's Alzheimer's and things he's flashing back to as part of it, wasn't he part of "Port Charles" for a while?  Didn't he own or run the Recovery Room, and wasn't he dating the Scanlon matriarch?

Yes re: the Recovery Room; he rented the back apartment to Dr. Matt Harmon, too. I don’t specifically remember him dating Mary Scanlon, but now that you mention it, I think they may have gone out a few times (or attended evernts together) before Mary started dating Victor (Kevin’s father), whom she later married.  

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20 hours ago, ulkis said:

That's not what happened. Lulu found out by accident at a hearing over who should have guardianship over Laura while she was in the mental hospital. I think Scotty brought up that Luke shouldn't have guardianship partly because of the rape.

I feel like that's when they were really ramping up Scotty being THE EVUL.  Wasn't he trying to get himself assigned the guardian, even though he and Laura hadn't been married for six billion years?

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4 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I feel like that's when they were really ramping up Scotty being THE EVUL.  Wasn't he trying to get himself assigned the guardian, even though he and Laura hadn't been married for six billion years?

Yup.

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Luke tells Lucky that he raped Laura:

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Jensen Buchanan was part of the show's nadir. I couldn't stand her on GH.

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Ugh, neither could I. Her character was typically awful, to boot, which didn't help.

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On 3/13/2018 at 4:47 PM, SlovakPrincess said:

The people who knew in the 80s were Bobbie, Scott and eventually Laura’s parents Lesley and Rick and Bert. Then everyone started calling it a “seduction” and pretended there was no rape until the late 90s.  

 

Did Lee & Gail know? Since they were/are Scott's parents I was curious about that. (Of course, they were also at L&L's big 1981 wedding, so...awkward.) 

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On 3/11/2018 at 6:31 PM, ulkis said:

By the way, @Bringonthedrama , hope I'm not coming across too strongly. That's  the great thing about the writing from then. You could dissect every angle for hours.

Admittedly too Luke at that time is on my list of favorite GH characters.

 

Nope, no offense taken @ulkis. While I thought TG, GF, and JJ had awesome family chemistry (and now feel that TG did a lot of his best work with JJ), I really didn't like the way Luke spoke to Laura regarding Nikolas and the Cassadines. I thought referring to Nikolas as her "demon spawn" (or close to that at least), pressuring her to have nothing to do with him, and acting like her desire to connect with her son was a betrayal of their Spencer family was totally out of line. I saw Luke trying to shut her down and usher her out of the morgue when she was going off on Sonny and Jason as one of the times he was trying to control her words/actions when they bothered him. 

I don't think Laura was harsh to say they didn't "have kids" because A) Sonny married Lily for business, then stayed with her because of the pregnancy, and certainly never became a father because of the explosion that killed her. He did not lose a beloved child.  B) Jason had been raising AJ's son that he helped Carly and then S&C keep away from A.J. Just because he 'felt like' he was Michael's father didn't make it so.  Neither of them had a clue as to how Laura was feeling from losing a teenage son she had raised from birth. 

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On March 17, 2018 at 4:53 PM, UYI said:

Did Lee & Gail know? Since they were/are Scott's parents I was curious about that. (Of course, they were also at L&L's big 1981 wedding, so...awkward.) 

Since I had to hunt around for any clips of that era, I don't really know.    The sequence of it is that Scott finds a letter Laura wrote to Luke essentially telling him she forgives him, and then Scott yells at Laura and rushes off to beat the crap out of Luke right as Luke is about to marry mobster Frank Smith's daughter ... and then Luke and Laura go on the run from Frank Smith.    Scott was yelling incoherently the whole time, and then for a while people thought Luke drowned after Scott threw him in the harbor.  So, the whole reason Scott flipped out was kind of lost in the chaos, and by the time they realized Luke was not dead, everyone just assumed Luke and Laura had been cheating before they ran away together.  

Scott becomes angry and bitter and his relationship with Lee and Gail goes to hell, too -- so he may not have ever told them the full story.  

Lee and Gail ending up at the wedding is actually interesting -- Lee actually hates L and L for about a year, blaming them running off together for Scott's change in personality.  Lee, who is a recovering alcoholic, falls off the wagon and burns up Laura's divorce papers from Scott, which almost derails the L and L wedding.  But he apologizes to them, and then L and L sort of cover for him so he won't lose his license to practice law.   Of course, by that point, the writers had retroactively made the rape not a rape.  

In summary, the whole thing was bizarre.

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I just watched the video in the Press Club section about looking back on GH character's histories. MB says with a smirk "I killed my son's father, but he deserved it" and SBu laughs hysterically in response. SBu says he's killed like 75 people and adds, "That's pretty cool, right?" This makes me want to watch Sonny and Jason even less, if that's possible. 

Just a warning to any of you watching the videos ...

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I have a little time right now to catch up on the GH I've missed....which is a lot. Over the past year and a half, are there any episodes that you particularly remember being worth watching? I wouldn't expect anyone to give me actual air dates, but if there are scenes you think I should catch, I can probably find them.

 

Thanks!

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18 minutes ago, TheGourmez said:

I have a little time right now to catch up on the GH I've missed....which is a lot. Over the past year and a half, are there any episodes that you particularly remember being worth watching? I wouldn't expect anyone to give me actual air dates, but if there are scenes you think I should catch, I can probably find them.

 

Thanks!

Do you like Franco? People seemed to like last Friday's episode (the 6th).

Oh, and the episode where Jason jumped through a (ridiculously placed) skylight. I think it was Nov 3rd or something like that.

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21 hours ago, ulkis said:

Do you like Franco? People seemed to like last Friday's episode (the 6th).

Oh, and the episode where Jason jumped through a (ridiculously placed) skylight. I think it was Nov 3rd or something like that.

I keep trying to talk myself into liking Franco, because I sure as hell don't want to watch Steve Burton anymore.  I don't mind Franco as much as others do. Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not sure I can handle Jason doing anything but rolling off a dock these days.

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On 4/15/2018 at 9:23 PM, TheGourmez said:

I have a little time right now to catch up on the GH I've missed....which is a lot. Over the past year and a half, are there any episodes that you particularly remember being worth watching? I wouldn't expect anyone to give me actual air dates, but if there are scenes you think I should catch, I can probably find them.

Thanks!

TheGourmez, I'd steer you to shows from about mid-January to present. There has been a jump in quality.  I have a few things that would be easy to search for: Nathan's funeral (not a fan when he was alive, but the episode was good soap opera); the recent anniversary episode, and all of the scenes involving Mike Corbin (Max Gail) and his Alzheimer's disease. That story began in early February and has been front-burner since.  

The dementia story has gotten good work out of everyone in it, Gail himself most of all. But there have also been good scenes for Vernee Watson-Johnson as Stella (Curtis's aunt), now a hospital social worker who's trying to give the Corinthos family some guidance, as well as Dominic Zamprogna, Chad Duell, Laura Wright, Rebecca Herbst, Matt Cohen, and others who have had scenes with Gail. Maurice Benard is Maurice Benard, and Sonny is of course being written as the character who doesn't "get it" and gets frustrated with Mike, but even he's had his moments.  

The current, recently promoted co-head writer, Chris Van Etten, is intelligent, loves the genre, cares about his characters and his audience, and isn't one of the usual cynical burnouts. He can't fix everything himself, but I'm enjoying the day-to-day writing now more than I have in a long time.  I still complain when I have to, but I haven't missed an episode in a while.  

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On 4/17/2018 at 6:07 AM, Asp Burger said:

TheGourmez, I'd steer you to shows from about mid-January to present. There has been a jump in quality.  I have a few things that would be easy to search for: Nathan's funeral (not a fan when he was alive, but the episode was good soap opera); the recent anniversary episode, and all of the scenes involving Mike Corbin (Max Gail) and his Alzheimer's disease. That story began in early February and has been front-burner since.  

The dementia story has gotten good work out of everyone in it, Gail himself most of all. But there have also been good scenes for Vernee Watson-Johnson as Stella (Curtis's aunt), now a hospital social worker who's trying to give the Corinthos family some guidance, as well as Dominic Zamprogna, Chad Duell, Laura Wright, Rebecca Herbst, Matt Cohen, and others who have had scenes with Gail. Maurice Benard is Maurice Benard, and Sonny is of course being written as the character who doesn't "get it" and gets frustrated with Mike, but even he's had his moments.  

The current, recently promoted co-head writer, Chris Van Etten, is intelligent, loves the genre, cares about his characters and his audience, and isn't one of the usual cynical burnouts. He can't fix everything himself, but I'm enjoying the day-to-day writing now more than I have in a long time.  I still complain when I have to, but I haven't missed an episode in a while.  

Noted, thank you, Aspburger!

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With Anna and Dr. O squaring off tomorrow, I went back to watch some old clips and I actually stumbled across a scene between Anna and Britt I really dug.  Anna's "Don't interrupt me" in the middle of Britt's backtalk is so badass:

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1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

With Anna and Dr. O squaring off tomorrow, I went back to watch some old clips and I actually stumbled across a scene between Anna and Britt I really dug.  Anna's "Don't interrupt me" in the middle of Britt's backtalk is so badass:

 

What HAPPENED TO THIS ANNA?????

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