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S06.E08: It Takes a (East) Village 2017.07.13

Fredrik begins questioning the effects of gentrification. Ryan starts to doubt his sales strategy. Steve's co-lister tests his patience, nerves, and even his bicycling skills.

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Don't like to see my guy steve smoking. He has gone down a notch for me now.

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10 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Don't like to see my guy steve smoking. He has gone down a notch for me now.

I'm assuming he was stressed and that the cigarettes were Lori's who sounded slightly drunk during that meeting with the seller.

I loved that they showed him on a citibike. He's the exact type of agent that I could see doing that. This show would lead you to believe that brokers never take the subway or the bus. The cast of this show has cars and drivers because they don't have to deal with rights and clearances that would be almost impossible to get on a bus or subway.

Ryan's seller was an intractable asshole for insisting on a price for a ground floor apartment that was the same as a penthouse. As always, the sellers are perennial assholes.

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2 hours ago, Pickles said:

Don't like to see my guy steve smoking. He has gone down a notch for me now.

I haven't smoked for nearly twenty years, but the seller & the other agent .....

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Ryan continues to crack me up. I must be watching this show too much because 5 mil for his listing seemed like a sweet deal.

Lori seemed drunk or on something when they were meeting with the seller. So weird. I don't get why they didn't atleast negotiate with the potential buyer. Maybe they did.

Not sure how I felt about all the gentrification talk. Seemed like they were just trying to make thereselves feel better.

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1 hour ago, Medicine Crow said:

I haven't smoked for nearly twenty years, but the seller & the other agent .....

As my great-grandmother used to say they would drive a saint to drink &/or smoke. 

1 hour ago, Marley said:

Ryan continues to crack me up. I must be watching this show too much because 5 mil for his listing seemed like a sweet deal.

Lori seemed drunk or on something when they were meeting with the seller. So weird. I don't get why they didn't atleast negotiate with the potential buyer. Maybe they did.

Not sure how I felt about all the gentrification talk. Seemed like they were just trying to make thereselves feel better.

They did not counter because 1)$15,995,000 penthouse lady insists that her property is worth every cent & 2) (& most importantly) the scene's ramped up drama was based on the co-listing, not the offer itself. Steve even made a point of saying this was the buyer's best & final.

I am torn about the gentrification issue. I absolutely agree with you that contributing funds to the neighborhood park and getting to know the shopkeepers and neighborhood residents and convincing themselves that they are in favor of the gentrification as much as they and their developers are, is to make themselves feel better. However, the effects on the different neighborhoods of these developers building new buildings or renovating old ones that will eventually become our guys' million dollar listings is much more interesting to me than Mariefaye moving to Canada or the co-listing drama, and I would have liked to have seen that expanded upon. 

Steve remains hot. 

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Steve needs to remain working on his own. He's a loner and he does best that way, nothing wrong with that. Now I'm convinced that sun baked Lori is a fake for the show. No way would any professional throw their co-lister under the bus like that! Steve shouldn't let that loon drive him to a cigarette. Although, that was a complete set up, too. There just happens to be a pack of cigs laying around, righttttt! 

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Also a set up to see Steve getting out of the car and getting on the bike, only to have his meeting cancelled. 

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2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Also a set up to see Steve getting out of the car and getting on the bike, only to have his meeting cancelled. 

And there happens to be a big bike rack/station (what ever you call it) right near the building he's needs to get to!. 

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A little bit OT, but... I can imagine Steve and Carol (RHONY) together.....

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50 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

A little bit OT, but... I can imagine Steve and Carol (RHONY) together.....

Oh, God. No. Just.No.

8 hours ago, Toothbrush said:

Steve remains hot. 

I might end every post with that. lol

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Steve masterfully riding a bike on the mean streets on Manhattan, pedaling with all his might: definitely the show's highlight for me. It was also funny watching him growling in angst as he stalked around that outside area. If Ryan and Fred did that they'd just look silly and affected, but Steve somehow made it look natural and sexy in all his primal glory.

Like Fredrik, I think I have a new little crush and am feeling bit flummoxed about it.

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Steve is definitely a fabulous addition to this show. I think all three guys are adorable, and at this point am watching just for them rather than the real estate porn. Which for me has been downgraded to the equivalent of a really boring movie. I also love that Fredrik and Ryan are now friends. If I want fighting among cast members I will watch a RH series. MDLNY has enough unlikable people in the sellers and developers (and co listers as in the case of this week's show) so I prefer my cast members to be gorgeous, competent and likable. These three are, in spades. 

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Loved the scene when Fredrik visited Ryan at his listing. Ryan showing him around and Fred inviting Ry to his 40'th birthday. My, how they have changed. If you think back to previous season's, how much they hated each other and how evil they were to each other (especially Ryan) it's  hard to believe they are the same people. 

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Such a relief to be done with all the broker bickering this season! Maybe some truth even snuck in amid the "creative" storylines with Fredrik saying he isn't the same person and Ryan that he's no longer driven by jealousy.

I liked Fredrik admitting that he doesn't really know anything about the street/neighborhood life of Manhattan because he's only in and out of buildings and cars all day. It's just one big view from a high rise penthouse to him. And he can say his driver doesn't talk much about himself, but I'm sure Fredrik never asks him, either.

For some reason I suddenly wish I were a young, ambitious real estate broker in NY who was looking for a small team to join ... working closely with the leader.

There was no need (outside the dictates of the plot) for Ryan to call attention to his radical marketing non-plan. Just tell everyone there, if you must, that the open house was kept simple because the apartments speak for themselves. Done.

WRT real estate porn, I finally subscribed to the RSS newsfeed at Curbed NY. There are maybe 10-12 pushes a day with stories that highlight new developments/listings for all boroughs, with lots of photos as well as general real estate news. It's much more real estate that I get from the show (which Curbed also recaps, with insider comments). There's a weekly segment on "which place would you buy/rent" and I'm always in the danged minority opinion. Probably there's importance attached to the various neighborhoods that I'm not aware of. I don't even try on the "guess the price" columns.

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13 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

And Steve continues to be hot as hell...even smoking ....

LOL this comment cracked me up. I agree with you 100%

He's so fine lol

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51 minutes ago, 2727 said:

Such a relief to be done with all the broker bickering this season! Maybe some truth even snuck in amid the "creative" storylines with Fredrik saying he isn't the same person and Ryan that he's no longer driven by jealousy.

I liked Fredrik admitting that he doesn't really know anything about the street/neighborhood life of Manhattan because he's only in and out of buildings and cars all day. It's just one big view from a high rise penthouse to him. And he can say his driver doesn't talk much about himself, but I'm sure Fredrik never asks him, either.

For some reason I suddenly wish I were a young, ambitious real estate broker in NY who was looking for a small team to join ... working closely with the leader.

There was no need (outside the dictates of the plot) for Ryan to call attention to his radical marketing non-plan. Just tell everyone, if you must, that the open house was kept simple because the apartments speak for themselves. Done.

WRT real estate porn, I finally subscribed to the RSS newsfeed at Curbed NY. There are maybe 10-12 pushes a day with stories that highlight new developments/listings for all boroughs, with lots of photos as well as general real estate news. It's much more real estate that I get from the show (which Curbed also recaps, with insider comments). There's a weekly segment on "which place would you buy/rent" and I'm always in the danged minority opinion. Probably there's importance attached to the various neighborhoods that I'm not aware of. I don't even try on the "guess the price" columns.

Thank you for adding the link to Curbed NY. I never heard of it and checked it out and the articles are great.

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15 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

And Steve continues to be hot as hell...even smoking ....

I don't smoke, but damn, I feel like I need to whenever he's on the screen!

I've only heard the negative side to gentrification (displacing people), so it was interesting to hear it from the store owner's perspective.  It's got to be tough though having lived in a certain building for so many years, just to have it bought out and be told that you can no longer afford to live there.   If I were a broker/developer, I'd have a hard time with that idea.

On a lighter note, yay for Fredrik and Ryan hugging it out!  I'm not a fan of men and the casual hugs (I'm old-school.  A handshake will do!),  but I'll make an exception for these two!  I'm so glad that they both grew up and have a good relationship now.  I prefer them this way, sans the angst and drama between them. 

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11 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Steve needs to remain working on his own. He's a loner and he does best that way, nothing wrong with that. Now I'm convinced that sun baked Lori is a fake for the show. No way would any professional throw their co-lister under the bus like that! Steve shouldn't let that loon drive him to a cigarette. Although, that was a complete set up, too. There just happens to be a pack of cigs laying around, righttttt! 

Lori Shabtai is a real broker, it seems. It also appears that she was married to and divorced from some mogul. And she's 56. She looks a lot older to me.  When will some learn trying desperately to look younger ages them?

http://observer.com/2010/12/benny-shabtais-wife-gets-lonely-245-m-townhouse-for-10-m/

And, yep ... that property has been sitting there for a long time trying to sell for $16m. It was originally listed for $18M. I think buyers sometimes don't realize a property is only worth what someone will pay for it.

2727 - my much younger self will fight you for that position working closely with Steve. ;-)

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18 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

 Now I'm convinced that sun baked Lori is a fake for the show. No way would any professional throw their co-lister under the bus like that! Steve shouldn't let that loon drive him to a cigarette. Although, that was a complete set up, too. There just happens to be a pack of cigs laying around, righttttt! 

This show puts her in such a bad light.  Who would work with her.  Maybe it's just a hobby.

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12 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

It was originally listed for $18M. I think buyers sometimes don't realize a property is only worth what someone will pay for it.

They don't take their Realtor's advice either!  We moved last year, and when putting our house on the market we listened to what our Realtor said, rather than go by what we thought our place was worth.  The comps in our area didn't support what we were thinking, and once explained to us in that way, we all agreed on a number.  The realtor was right.  Sometimes the comps work against you, and sometimes they work for you.  Sometimes it's not a matter of the homes in a neighborhood being compared 'apples to apples,' but rather 'apples to oranges' (smaller vs. larger home; upgrades, etc.),  but the comps are what people and the lenders look at.

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Comps, schmomps. Every developer thinks their building should set a new neighborhood sf price record and every residential seller thinks there's "nothing else like this" on the market. Because they added ugly imported marble countertops, don't you know.

It's possible the listing agreement scenes are filmed after the fact, but going on how the negotiations are presented to us, our brokers are always pretty spot on when suggesting pricing to sellers. Ignore their advice at your peril!

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Steve on the Citybike gave me flashbacks of Kelly Bensimon jogging in traffic.

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Wow, more incredibly fake, contrived bullshit instead of something interesting or some nice real estate to look at.  Steve taking that fucking bike when we clearly know there is a car driving whoever the camerapeople are.  How stupid does this show think we are?  Sorry, but I'm really annoyed and cranky.  All of Steve's storylines are 100% fake!  He signed some kind of deal with this show to promote him but he has nothing to promote.  This is so messed up.

Emilia looks wildly different in the face every single time I see her.

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1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Wow, more incredibly fake, contrived bullshit instead of something interesting or some nice real estate to look at.  Steve taking that fucking bike when we clearly know there is a car driving whoever the camerapeople are.  How stupid does this show think we are?  Sorry, but I'm really annoyed and cranky.  All of Steve's storylines are 100% fake!  He signed some kind of deal with this show to promote him but he has nothing to promote.  This is so messed up.

It looks like the show is counting on viewers who will tune in to see Steve riding around on a bicycle (maybe they can just make a show of hour-long music videos with nothing but that?), endless fake set-ups of the stereotypically greedy demanding developers, delusional narcissistic sellers, and mind-numbingly identical properties whose differences lie solely in the location and the building's amenities.  They've helped me to determine I'm no longer their target demographic.  I'm holding out a slim hope that the Los Angeles version doesn't head over the same cliff when it resumes its new season.

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They did a token thing for the neighborhood.  A few thousand out of their 6-figure commissions, what is that their dining budget for a week or two?

They will bring in buyers from all over the world as long as they have money.  In many cases these buyers are kleptocrats or other unsavory characters.  And in recent years Manhattan real estate is being used to stash money, resulting in a lot of empty apartments.  In those cases, the local businesses aren't benefitting from the expensive properties in their neighborhoods.  And besides, nobody who spends $10 million or more is going to patronize some local deli or market in the East Village.  Don't more new upscale shops and restaurants come in and compete with or displace the older businesses?  So it's not only the residents who get priced out but the previous shopkeepers.

The other thing is, doesn't the city require developers to offer a certain percentage of their projects to be affordable housing?  So how does Frederick or Ryan feel about these big tower projects which has some number of affordable housing units that they can't sell for fat commissions?  Do they resent that there isn't moar commissions for them?

Its one thing to have a few minutes out of an episode on gentrification but this show will never discuss income inequality, which is what Manhattan of the last 30-40 years epitomizes.  Of course the stars of the show thrives on the forces which have increased income inequality in our lifetimes.

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I will tune in to watch Steve ride a citibike, smoke a cigarette, participate in fakity fake co-lister drama or talk to his dog.  He is completely hot, he gives me warm fuzzies and I would bang the hell out of him.  Just saying.

And please, no suggestions that Carole from RHONY would love him.  Who would ever want to subject him to such a thing? 

I also will tune in for anything Fredrik is doing because he's so damn entertaining.  I know it was fake but I loved seeing him on the street, mingling with the regular folks. 

I'm coming back around to Ryan but please, show, for the love of all that's holy, NO MORE Emilia and her sister stuff.  I don't care.  I don't want to see it.  I don't like Emilia so please don't mess up my hot Steve high by giving her screen time.

I would be happier if the show could go back to showing us real estate without so much DRAMA and ANGST.  

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10 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

 

I would be happier if the show could go back to showing us real estate without so much DRAMA and ANGST.  

Bravo shows are designed for drama.

There were conventional real estate shows, like Selling NY, which bombed after a couple of seasons.

They have to make the realtors personalities and they have to stage fake confrontations with developers or sellers who treat a business partner with whom they're involved in multimillion dollar transactions like they're the school patsies.

That is the formula.

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I am in L.A. and my 'hood is gentrifying like crazy. Median income is $36k, but oh let me open a sandwich shop selling them for $15. It's freaking stupid. The mix of business gentrifiers is interesting - those that will get whatever they can and those who want to with within the hood. Of course, I'll support the 2nd kind all day long. It's tough watching people leave. A neighbor who bought his house 40 yrs ago for $17k, is selling for $525k, which is really really low. I'm thinking there may be a foundation issue. 

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On 7/14/2017 at 9:52 AM, Diane Mars said:

A little bit OT, but... I can imagine Steve and Carol (RHONY) together.....

I want to call up a plague of many unpleasant things upon your doorstep for this ridiculous imagining while also shoving you like Elaine does and saying Shut UP! Carole is not smart enough for Steve, he would be bored by her. 

Lori is 56?? I am 51 and I thought she was older than my 74 year old mother! Damn she is not pleasant to look at and now I find that she is 20 plus years younger than I thought? She doesn't seem to be smart either. 

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