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4 hours ago, USAFAN said:

I know it would end the program, but I wish George would find a new love and return to being the sweetheart he was in the first two series -:)

It is not particularly unusual for me to not be terribly invested in the leads of a show but I'm really, really not here.  I guess it would end the show if Sarah and George were just like peace out we're moving to Sydney.  Bye.   

I think Sydney in real life is a little under 4 hours from Inverness (in today's time, not saying what that would be in the 1950s).   So far enough that it is a trip but not so far that it isn't a trip you would take especially when money is no object and everybody but George can sleep at Carolyn's.   

The disappearance of the Gold's during the funeral was weird.  Not quite as weird as 

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 but weird.  I mean not so much that they weren't there but that the show didn't throw us a, "Oh, too bad the Gold's have gone to Melbourne"   Because obviously if they'd gone to Sydney they could just come back for the funeral.  :).

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James gets nice love interests, but poor Olivia just keeps getting used.

Seriously.  James gets two hot guys fawning over his boring ass, while Olivia keeps getting the crap end of the stick.  

I'm wary of Regina by this point.  Short of her blowing up Melrose Place, err...Ash Park, I can't imagine what else there is for her to do and how she plausibly could return.  She's unforgivably anti-Semitic, she got slapped really good by Sarah, she slapped the crap out of Anna (which I was kind of fine with), she already accidentally murdered that teacher when she meant to murder Sarah, she killed the cop, she's been committed to the insane asylum and she's a Morphine addict.      

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Season 5 is just getting worse, with too much being made of Regina's return and James/Olivia missing for the entire first five episodes; half the season and there's no indication they'll come back for ep6 either!  It's dull, boring, and preposterous, I can barely fast-forward through each miserable episode.

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I disagree.  I thought the first couple episodes were kind of blah, but the last three have been very good.

I'm curious as to how they get James and Olivia and Baby George back.  

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Glade... oh dear, I didn't think it could get more preposterous. Why does't someone just shoot Regina?  -:)  I read somewhere that George is investigating converting to Sarah's religion.  Sounds like Sarah has flipped her lid if this is what she's asking for.  Guess I'll just go back and watch the first two seasons before the story went off the deep end, jumped the shark, etc. etc.

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Well... I just saw the first two episodes of Season 5 and it wan't as bad as I expected.  Looks like the Jewish religion vs C of E  has been put to rest for awhile but I still think Sarah needs psychotherapy.  I understand her honoring her first husband with her conversion.... but, come on, expecting George and the son to do so too!  Anyhow, George is inching back towards the "nice" George... at least he gets to roll up his shirt sleeves.  (Even tho the vest is still on.) And... he gets to drive another gorgeous vintage car.

Anna is now too chic for words... she caught on fast after her farm girl days.  I was distracted from her story by her lover.... the same guy who played Harry-Sorry-David on Rake.  I liked H-S-D better.  -:)

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Season 5 has WAY too much going on...Carolyn obsessing over the artist who is not interested, Anna going off the rails albeit on her way to becoming an overnight star, Douglas ready to drop dead, Jack in a funk, Regina the cartoon character villain back in town, etc...George has got to be the least appealing man ever, why Sarah wants him is beyond belief. He is as thick as a plank, bought into Regina's crap for way too long. The fact that he married her made my eyes roll out of my head. This show is just too much. Also have a shabbus ceremony every episode is not great TV. I get her obsession with her faith but it slows things down. Also the whole Leah nonsense. Good grief! 

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Just remember Sarah was in the Nazi concentration camps because she had converted to Judaism to marry her first husband. She isn’t about to walk away from that sacrifice she made.

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I'm more upset to hear that James/Olivia aren't much of S5 (thus far). I'd hoped they'd learned their lesson from confining James to a bed all season back in S2. I'll still be watching, but I'm already a little disappointed hearing that.

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On 12/1/2017 at 6:42 PM, Bebecat said:

George has got to be the least appealing man ever,

The casting of this character has always bothered me. He's not charismatic in any way. I do have a soft spot for the show despite that.

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Oy vey.. I think the show jumped the shark in Series 3.   Feel much as Bebecat.  But I do have a soft spot for George... well, maybe not the character, but the actor with his lovely smile and big brown eyes.  (And those ears !) He's easily overshadowed by Dame Marta.  she's 5'9 and with heels taller than
"George".  I can just see them as an old couple (of which I've seen many)... the Brunnhilde (sp?) wife and the shrunken husband.

In addition, I know Ms. Dusseldorf, is much favored at home... but as time goes by I find her acting style.... working hard to be the Meryl Streep of Australia....has started to grate on my nerves.

Oh well... I wish them all well.

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David Berry will continue to be very busy. But Outlander is already filming season 4, sip he might get a breather between both shows.

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Can't fathom what another season will bring. Good grief, what's left? 

Eps 5&6 were a bit off the wall even for this show. Sarah deciding to go with George at the last minute and lo a d behold, who does she just happen to run into? One must suspend disbelief quite often with this series.

As far as George goes, he just has no charisma...he is meant to be a wealthy powerhouse leading an influential family etc...yet as played, he could be any bland, not overly bright city clerk. Sarah going for him makes little sense to me. 

I am getting weary of Sarah in general. She is almost too much of a do-gooder sometimes. And then she pulls a knife on the blond matron lol...just bizarre.

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On 11/24/2017 at 9:31 PM, USAFAN said:

Well... I just saw the first two episodes of Season 5 and it wan't as bad as I expected.  Looks like the Jewish religion vs C of E  has been put to rest for awhile but I still think Sarah needs psychotherapy.  I understand her honoring her first husband with her conversion.... but, come on, expecting George and the son to do so too!  

Sarah is getting on my nerves with this latest season.  I agree that her expecting to raise David as Jewish without regard for George's religion is wrong.  She wanted to convert because of her first husband and that's great because that's what she chose.  But now that she is bullying George into accepting that David will be raised Jewish even though the boy is Jewish only because his mother converted.  Expose him to both religions then allow him to choose.

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On 11/24/2017 at 8:31 PM, USAFAN said:

Well... I just saw the first two episodes of Season 5 and it wan't as bad as I expected.  Looks like the Jewish religion vs C of E  has been put to rest for awhile but I still think Sarah needs psychotherapy.  I understand her honoring her first husband with her conversion.... but, come on, expecting George and the son to do so too!  Anyhow,

David would be Jewish by rights of having a Jewish mother.   Apparently they've been raising him as both and it is important to her to raise him as a jew.   Just because she converted to be with Renee does not mean that the faith didn't become incredibly important to her.


Quite frankly most kids are raised relatively randomly based on whatever faith the people raise them are part of.  I didn't go to church growing up because my parents didn't go to church when I was growing up.   My father was raised baptist because his father was raised baptist.  My mother was raised lutheran because her mother was raised lutheran.  

Sarah identifies as Jewish so of course she would want David to as well.  And as they agreed that it would ultimately be David's choice once he grew up, I don't see the issue here.

Also Sarah didn't ask George to convert.  George looked into it on his own and as far as I know he didn't pursue it.

I don't particularly care for either Sarah or George.  I genuinely don't like George and I could take or leave Sarah... but this is a really common issue for parents of mixed faith children and I don't think either having strong or emotional opinions on the subject is out of bounds.

On 12/7/2017 at 10:03 PM, Bebecat said:

Eps 5&6 were a bit off the wall even for this show. Sarah deciding to go with George at the last minute and lo a d behold, who does she just happen to run into? One must suspend disbelief quite often with this series.  

 

 

It helps that I don't care for either Sarah or George so I don't pay all that much attention to their stories... but yo... this one.  THIS ONE.  

Things get a little more centered starting episode 7.

And honestly I thin starting with season 7 parts of this season are very, very, very good.  However, this season is still to me incredibly dark and lacking the fun joyous moments of some of the previous seasons.  I need a bit of fun.

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I was just wondering.  In 1958, in Australia, would a woman, even one as liberated as Carolyn, use the F word?  And also, were people snorting coke a la Studio 54?  I noticed way back in Series 1 (I think) that Sarah used the term "hit the ground running" when describing returning to work early.  I don't ever recall hearing that in my teenage years..... which coincide with the time in which APTCH takes place.

I suppose poetic license has its place.  But most of the show is so authentic to the time.

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So is that it for James /David this season? Yeah I know he did a few episodes of Outlander but he wasn’t featured a tremendous amount. 

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And that’s a truly crappy way to write him out of this series. He gets back together with Olivia’s brother and just walks away from everything? I kept waiting for George to ask him ‘what about Henry.’ 

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I was just wondering.  In 1958, in Australia, would a woman, even one as liberated as Carolyn, use the F word?  And also, were people snorting coke a la Studio 54?  I noticed way back in Series 1 (I think) that Sarah used the term "hit the ground running" when describing returning to work early.  I don't ever recall hearing that in my teenage years..... which coincide with the time in which APTCH takes place.

At least according to the internet, the phrase "hit the ground running," has been in use since the late 1890s.  Also, given how long cocaine has been around, I'd have to imagine people were snorting it before the 1970s.  As for use of the "F" word, I can't think of any reason women would not have used the word in 1958.   I think we sometimes think that because movies and television of the era did not feature that kind of language, that it wasn't in use.     

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txhorn... you've made me realize how provincial my teen years were .  In the movies and on tv, married couples had twin beds,

kids used to giggle about the F word.... but nobody used it in conversation, and "drugs" were used by musicians in New York.

I never played sports so never had any reason to hit the ground running -:)  But, unfortunately, the attitudes toward Jews, blacks,

and "homos" were the same as Australia. Clothes and cars were pretty much the same.  Until this season with George and his fancy Cadillac I'd forgotten what ugly monsters they were.

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I liked Carolyn's f-bomb because it was treated as sort of shocking.   Caro going back in and saying she'd apologize to the staff.  Hah.   It wasn't as if he was dropping F bombs every other word, she was well and truly pissed and let it fly.  Didn't seem anachronistic to me.

Fuck is found liberally in Lady Chatterly's lover a banned book that Anna took from Carolyn's in season 1.  She'd know the word.  And in the heat of the moment why wouldn't she use it?  

Admittedly my mother who had her first child in 58 never cursed at all before her divorce when her therapist told her it was okay to curse.  She had a reasons to be really, really angry and it was fine to express that anger and she still didn't feel comfortable with it.  My father ,who came after my mother's divorce, cursed all the fucking time.  I'm pretty sure fuck was his favorite word. He'd get all upset when women cursed but he certainly taught me to do it.    

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bybrandy.... I've read Lady C  recently and don't even remember the word.  How times have changed.  Like my fucking printer has died and my delivery from Best Buy seems to be lost.   Fuck.

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txhorn... you've made me realize how provincial my teen years were . 

Don't feel provincial.  I'm just used to those kind of discussions from the Mad Men forums.  Every episode there would be someone who said: "I don't recall people using that phrase when I was young, so therefore no one must have used it, and they can't use it in the show." 

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On 12/13/2017 at 6:47 PM, MizStaken said:

So is that it for James /David this season? Yeah I know he did a few episodes of Outlander but he wasn’t featured a tremendous amount. 

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And that’s a truly crappy way to write him out of this series. He gets back together with Olivia’s brother and just walks away from everything? I kept waiting for George to ask him ‘what about Henry.’ 

Yeah, it was a letdown.  David Berry was on leave due to his first child being born, but it really left quite a hole in this show.  I also don't see why Olivia had to be gone that long.

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And we should recall, James also left Harry behind, and the hints that he might choose him over Dr. Henry were completely abandoned and Harry has vanished into the ether.

I'm surprised there will be a 6th season of this ultra-tedious show.

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Regarding Harry, my take on him was that some of Henry and James's city friends took a shine to him and he went off to check out life in the city. 

David Berry also had a role in "Outlander" which films at around the same time as "A Place To Call Home."

This is just speculation on my part but 

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I wouldn't be surprised if James makes an appearance in the finale.  If he does, it will probably be to reconcile with his father thus setting up the chance of his returning to Ash Park.  Maybe not permanently, but for an episode or two each series.

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3 hours ago, Badger said:

Regarding Harry, my take on him was that some of Henry and James's city friends took a shine to him and he went off to check out life in the city. 

David Berry also had a role in "Outlander" which films at around the same time as "A Place To Call Home."

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I wouldn't be surprised if James makes an appearance in the finale.  If he does, it will probably be to reconcile with his father thus setting up the chance of his returning to Ash Park.  Maybe not permanently, but for an episode or two each series.

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Turns out David Berry filmed his four episodes in Scotland and this was done because of his other commitment to APTCH. (His appearances in Outlander 3.12 and 3.13 were filmed on sound stages in advance of the South Africa filming of those episodes. Outlander has already begun filming its fourth season (principal photography of the first four episodes is already completed.  And IIRC, in the book on which the fourth season of Outlander is based, his character only shows up for a spell towards the last part. So with more time, both shows should be able to better accommodate the sharing of Mr. Berry.

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They must have filmed the last episode before the renewal was known.  Wonder what they will come up with next.  Perhaps....

Anna really isn't sterile and is pregnant with Henry's child.... Sarah decides to stay in Israel and that is just one step too far for George.

Olivia and Matt are too happy.  Some sort of problem has to crop up.  James visa expires and he has to come home.  Carolyn and Jack decide to move to Melbourne.

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7 hours ago, USAFAN said:

They must have filmed the last episode before the renewal was known.  Wonder what they will come up with next.  Perhaps....

Anna really isn't sterile and is pregnant with Henry's child.... Sarah decides to stay in Israel and that is just one step too far for George.

Olivia and Matt are too happy.  Some sort of problem has to crop up.  James visa expires and he has to come home.  Carolyn and Jack decide to move to Melbourne.

I thought they might do a surprise pregnancy thing after Gino left, and that part of the past season would be about finding Gino to let him know he had a child, but obviously not.

From what I understand, shows in Australia generally don't get renewed until fairly late in the season when all the episodes have already been filmed  

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I have just binge watched season 5, and those last couple of minutes did seem like a possible series wrap up, or at least wrapping up the 1958-59 storyline. There’s plenty to work with, and the door is open for James and William to be more visible in season 6, to see how the Larry/Leah and the Olivia/Matthew relationships develop, and of course George-Sarah-David, Georgie-Olivia-Matthew-James-William, develop. So there’s a lot for a season 6 to work with, and time for new villains.

i have to admit that I thought the filming schedule could have allowed more David Berry this time around, I wasn’t expecting so little.

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I guess I don’t care what happens to any of them at this point. I felt like watching it had become a chore.

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APTCH gets high marks for the authenticity of its sets, clothes, etc.  But I just realized I've never seen a male character with a crew cut.

In the 1950's in the US lots of guys had crewcuts... I guess a leftover trend from military service.  Were crew cuts any part of the scene in Australia in the '50s?   Did Australian military shave heads like the US did?   Actually, I think the US Marines were the worst...all marines ended up looking like Prince William.

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1 hour ago, USAFAN said:

 

APTCH gets high marks for the authenticity of its sets, clothes, etc.  But I just realized I've never seen a male character with a crew cut.

 

As best as I can recall none of the characters have been active duty military in any season. So that would be the obvious explanation.

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schnauzer... yes I know that.   But where I grew up in Pennsylvania  lots of young men who'd never yet done service had crew cuts.

And I vaguely recall lots of men in movies of the time  with such haircuts.  I must say, I really prefer the luxurious locks gentleman

display these days  (as long as they last -:)  Tho , one of my classmates looked terrific with his crew cut.  It all depended on the shape of the head.

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Schnauzer... so were Australian men required to do any service in the '50s?  In the US everyone had to do their time at some point.

In the states, James and Harry and Gino and all the guys that age would have been required to do service.

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I would assume that the Australian producers would have provided that answer if a character had been. Not having lived in the Australia of the 1950s, I would have no direct knowledge. I think the predominant hair style for men in that period was very short but not buzz cut, even in the U.S., which I am old enough to remember. Even police officers didn’t often have buzz cuts in that time, at least in the large metro area I grew up in....that became more common during and after the Vietnam conflict, possibly as a reaction to the counterculture’s affinity towards longer hair. 

I tried to google a search on this and didn’t really come up with anything.

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the schnauzers.... Without thinking I was assuming you were Australian !  ... a participant on another forum who uses the name Schnauzer is Australian -:)  Anyhow, Wikipedia pretty much sums up my questions. (Looking back on my buzzcut classmates in the '50s most of them were athletes..but I remember a lot of adult males too.  Probably ex-jocks.)  The Wikipedia info would explain why the  APTCH writers didn't need to include any military service for the younger men.

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National Service in the 1950s[edit]

In 1951, during the Korean War, national service was introduced under the National Service Act (1951). All Australian males aged 18 had to register for 176 days training (ninety-nine days full-time) and two years in the CMF. Later the obligation was 140 days of training (seventy-seven days full-time) and three years of service in the CMF. The regular military forces were kept as voluntary. In 1957 the system was changed to emphasise skill rather than numbers. The system was ended in 1959.[23]

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  I think the consideration of George's conversion to Judaism was kind of forced.  Many children are raised in 2 religion homes.  However, I liked Anna's speech about why she is the way she is... pretty cool.  Also leaves room open for another season...that and Sir Richard, the snake!  The costumes are so great!

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I just read that Season 6 will be the last.  Hope it will be a good one.

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Wow - I am way behind watching the American PBS version, and I cannot imagine sustaining these soapy caricatures for even more seasons.  That said, of course I shall watch until the bitter end.  ;-)

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