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S06.E03: Frankel-y Speaking 2017.06.08

No episode description available yet but I at least wanted to get this thread started.  And ugh to any mention of Bethenny.

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Ryan really needs to get rid'of the beard. I really enjoy looking at Steve. Lol.

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On some other forums, I see some people saying they miss Luis. I've nothing against Luis, but I actually like Steve. He's more laidback and easy on the eyes. He's the perfect contrast to Fredrik and Ryan. 

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On some other forums, I see some people saying they miss Luis. I've nothing against Luis, but I actually like Steve. He's more laidback and easy on the eyes. He's the perfect contrast to Fredrik and Ryan

I am with you. I did not mind Luis, but I really like Steve. Like you said he seems more laid back. I like watching someone who is a bit more low key and chill to contrast with Fredrik and Ryan's personalities. Plus I like his dog.

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Still not interaction between the three. I find it weird. Fredrik needs to calm down. Ryan needs to get rid of the beard. Steve is awesome.  He is some kind of eye candy. It would be nice to see him close a deal, though. So far I'm not seeing how he is such a success in the NYC real estate world.  I did have to laugh at Ryan trying to get away from his listing appt with the guy that kept talking so he could get to his next appt. 

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So are we to assume that each episode will show Steve at home in his apartment half naked?  I just get that feeling.  No to Bethenny.  Has everyone heard she announced she is joining Shark Tank?  Imagine being a mom-and-pop business trying to partner with her and be mentored by her. 

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Are many people watching this week?  

I have several feelings about this week's episode.  I do like Steve as a person, but, I don't think that he really fits into the NYC real estate world, that I have seen.  I know he says he has experience and that he has all these connections, but, I don't see it happening. He does seem to be knowledgeable.  He just seems insecure to me.  He needs to get more assertive.  While I find him attractive, I sense that his slouching is hiding his physic.  Add the casual clothes, and he just doesn't seem like a power person.  I don't think he is demanding respect from those that we have seen him interact with and certainly, he's not using power in his body language.  Negotiations are great, but, there has to be a good foundation to start.  I hope he gets there, because, I do like him, but, he doesn't inspire confidence imo.  Maybe, his style works for some people, but,......I don't see it.  I do always suspect that the show does set ups with these clients and their reactions.  Maybe, that's how they want to portray Steven. 

I really do regret that they have chosen to have this overly done theme of sellers wanting too much in the asking price and refusing to consider lower offers.  It's so painful.  Why do they think the viewers like this? OMG.  I know, I talked about it upthread.  I don't want to beat it to death.  

With such upscale NYC apartments, why do you think they dropped the ball on making a properly large closet?  I'd think they would know this right off.

It must be nice to have such hefty incomes.  These realty commissions look real sweet.  I'm planning to start classes real soon myself, of course, I'm not in NYC. 

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11 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I am with you. I did not mind Luis, but I really like Steve. Like you said he seems more laid back. I like watching someone who is a bit more low key and chill to contrast with Fredrik and Ryan's personalities. Plus I like his dog.

Exactly. I'm not bothered by a low-key personality. Not everyone needs to be a Type A to be interesting. I'll be interested to see how Steve does this season. 

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

With such upscale NYC apartments, why do you think they dropped the ball on making a properly large closet?  I'd think they would know this right off.

Maybe because a man designed it?  I wonder if there was no other input on his project, especially from a female perspective.  I have a friend whose grandfather built a house back in the 50's and he forgot to put in the closets!  

41 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

am with you. I did not mind Luis, but I really like Steve. Like you said he seems more laid back. I like watching someone who is a bit more low key and chill to contrast with Fredrik and Ryan's personalities. Plus I like his dog.

I like him too.  Remember how most of Luis's time on the show was how he got knocked down (by sellers), then got back up, just to be knocked down again?  I thought that he'd never catch a break.  Maybe TPTB just need somebody to fill the role of the underdog on this show.

I felt bad for the seller of the first townhouse Ryan went to see.  As a Realtor, that would be a dilemma in having 2 properties on the same street.  As a seller, I'd be pissed.  I understand that's the nature of the business, but I'd still be upset unless it benefited my property somehow.  We put our house up for sale a few years ago, then my neighbor suddenly decided to put hers up for sale.  She did it so she could benefit from the street traffic generated by our listing.  The house she was renovating and planning to move to wasn't even near ready for occupancy!  We had a Realtor, she didn't.  It made it harder to sell ours, but it finally sold.

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6 hours ago, escapetoreality said:

So are we to assume that each episode will show Steve at home in his apartment half naked?

Seems like it, although we were spared seeing his junk. I enjoyed the conversation between Fredrik and Bethenny about it, though.

Sellers are always unreasonable, but I didn't understand why the chubby talkative one was upset about Ryan having another listing down the street. The properties had different features and were at very different price points.

"Goldie" must be doing okay if he can afford a second home in The Hamptons. I felt bad for him splashing out a bunch of money on advertising for the raw unit and then losing the listing. The renderings he had done on canvas looked really nice.

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The staging is more and more obvious. What a coincidence that the developer walked in unnoticed (with camera crew in toe) at the exact moment the lady asked if he was gay or straight. 

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16 hours ago, Surrealist said:

On some other forums, I see some people saying they miss Luis. I've nothing against Luis, but I actually like Steve. He's more laidback and easy on the eyes. He's the perfect contrast to Fredrik and Ryan. 

You think so? I find him kind of awkward, especially in the scenes with his friend at that loft he was trying to sell. It's like he's an attractive man, who's still that shy kid on the inside. 

7 hours ago, escapetoreality said:

So are we to assume that each episode will show Steve at home in his apartment half naked?  I just get that feeling.  No to Bethenny.  Has everyone heard she announced she is joining Shark Tank?  Imagine being a mom-and-pop business trying to partner with her and be mentored by her. 

Please tell me you're joking. I can barely take her neurotic self on RHONY and MDLNY. Why do TPTB keep pushing her on us??

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Gawd, if you're this famous 'super-model' and walking a show for Ralph Lauren....could you at least learn how to pronounce his lastname correctly?

Curious , knowing  very little about real estate commissions -  of the $ figures shown, how much does the house get of that ...or is that $ amt clear to agent?

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2 hours ago, Lord Donia said:

Sellers are always unreasonable, but I didn't understand why the chubby talkative one was upset about Ryan having another listing down the street. The properties had different features and were at very different price points.

I think he was concerned about his listing getting the attention it deserved.  Which one will get the priority?  I can understand his concern.

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7 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

Gawd, if you're this famous 'super-model' and walking a show for Ralph Lauren....could you at least learn how to pronounce his lastname correctly?

Curious , knowing  very little about real estate commissions -  of the $ figures shown, how much does the house get of that ...or is that $ amt clear to agent?

Who is this supposed model??  If she is such a name that she can afford that place then why haven't I seen pictures of her or the show really advertise that she was on (similar to Bethenny)?  And the model would be getting her hair and makeup done at the show since everyone would have to coordinate with the designer's vision.  So, is she a fashion blogger?  Who is this chick????

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8 hours ago, cyberfruit said:

You think so? I find him kind of awkward, especially in the scenes with his friend at that loft he was trying to sell. It's like he's an attractive man, who's still that shy kid on the inside. 

I think there's some awkwardness. I can't decide if that's because Steve is somewhat shy or if it's because he's trying to find his groove on the show. It could be a combination of both. However, I do think he's much more laidback than Fredrik, Ryan, Luis, and even Michael ever were. 

21 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

Who is this supposed model??  If she is such a name that she can afford that place then why haven't I seen pictures of her or the show really advertise that she was on (similar to Bethenny)?  And the model would be getting her hair and makeup done at the show since everyone would have to coordinate with the designer's vision.  So, is she a fashion blogger?  Who is this chick????

I'm glad I wasn't the only one trying to figure out who she is. I know more about the supermodels of yesteryear, but this woman isn't ringing a bell to me. I know it's impossible to know every working model's name, but supermodel isn't a word that should be thrown around so easily.

I've heard of Bethenny, but I've never watched anything she's been on, so I don't know much about her TV personality.

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10 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

I think there's some awkwardness. I can't decide if that's because Steve is somewhat shy or if it's because he's trying to find his groove on the show. It could be a combination of both. However, I do think he's much more laidback than Fredrik, Ryan, Luis, and even Michael ever were. 

I'm glad I wasn't the only one trying to figure out who she is. I know more about the supermodels of yesteryear, but this woman isn't ringing a bell to me. I know it's impossible to know every working model's name, but supermodel isn't a word that should be thrown around so easily.

I've heard of Bethenny, but I've never watched anything she's been on, so I don't know much about her TV personality.

I know some of the current models but really just the bigger names (the ones that could actually afford this place).  Maybe her fiance has money. But come on, no model gets their hair and makeup done at home to go to a show where it is going to get redone backstage to match the designer's vision (especially since she said the show was in an hour). Plus, she looked too old to be a model.  I would put her in her mid to late 30's (and really, I could even see moving into the 40's). 

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1 hour ago, diadochokinesis said:

Who is this supposed model??  If she is such a name that she can afford that place then why haven't I seen pictures of her or the show really advertise that she was on (similar to Bethenny)?  And the model would be getting her hair and makeup done at the show since everyone would have to coordinate with the designer's vision.  So, is she a fashion blogger?  Who is this chick????

Could Renee be 'Supermodel' from RuPaul's Drag Race?

Here's the apt staged:

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/9/15766558/million-dollar-listing-new-york-recap-bethenny-frankel

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On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 5:23 AM, MyAimIsTrue said:

No episode description available yet but I at least wanted to get this thread started.  And ugh to any mention of Bethenny.

I agree-ugh.

Freddie and Bethenny have been talking up this brilliant partnership for some time.  I just don't see it as all that successful.  He sold her Tribeca home in one day.  One she paid $5 million for, spent a million on renovations, had to pay to have it staged and paid a commission of $350,000.00. 

Their latest endeavor has fallen flat as a pancake.  She bought her Mercer Street apartment (how many times did we hear Mercer Street?) for $4.2 million and renovated it for an undisclosed amount.   https://ny.curbed.com/2017/2/14/14612586/bethenny-frankel-soho-apartment-for-sale  She put it on the market in February for $5.25 and it sits today after one price reduction.   http://tamaratattles.com/2017/05/27/it-may-be-time-for-another-price-drop-on-bethennys-apartment/  with another one looming.  Maybe Bethenny and Freddie's partnership is the great breaking even business affair.  Granted they will make bank for their reality show but quite honestly the three references to male gentalia, are they necessary?  Freddie is a married man who recently claims to have gotten on board with the Lord.  Who wants to listen to Bethenny's constant dick/cock talk?

It was nice to see some homes that weren't all white with marble and white woodwork.  Everything is cyclic. 

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5 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

I've never watched that show and I can't find any mention of a "Supermodel" or "Renee" on RuPaul's Drag Race.  

It was an attempt at snark - when I first saw Renee I thought she might be a famous drag queen

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18 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

I know some of the current models but really just the bigger names (the ones that could actually afford this place).  Maybe her fiance has money. But come on, no model gets their hair and makeup done at home to go to a show where it is going to get redone backstage to match the designer's vision (especially since she said the show was in an hour). Plus, she looked too old to be a model.  I would put her in her mid to late 30's (and really, I could even see moving into the 40's). 

Could it be this lady, Renee Bhagwandeen, from season 20 of America's Next Top Model?bhagwandeen-renee-image.jpg

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8 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

It was an attempt at snark - when I first saw Renee I thought she might be a famous drag queen

Ah, missed it.  LOL. She does kinda give some drag queen vibes.  I think it is the over the top personality. 

5 hours ago, SnarkyTart said:

Could it be this lady, Renee Bhagwandeen, from season 20 of America's Next Top Model?bhagwandeen-renee-image.jpg

I don't think so.  Age would be way off but some of the facial structures are off too.  Bravo needs to answer this question for us! 

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8 hours ago, SnarkyTart said:

Could it be this lady, Renee Bhagwandeen, from season 20 of America's Next Top Model?
bhagwandeen-renee-image.jpg

That's the only one I found too, but I think she's 10 years too young...

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This episode was boring to me, but that could be because I kept dozing off (cause or effect? ) I did appreciate that we got more real estate porn than usual - both of those townhouses were to die for! In my fantasy life of living off of my Powerball millions, I would buy the one with the elevator. This almost 45-year old is not about to walk up 5-6 flights of stairs! 

Agree with everyone on Renee the supposed supermodel. I called bs last week, and was really sure when her hair & make-up for RL's show were being done at her apartment. If they wanted to keep up the facade, but still wanted to portray her as a multi-tasking model, they should have come up with a different circumstance. 

On 6/9/2017 at 6:47 AM, escapetoreality said:

So are we to assume that each episode will show Steve at home in his apartment half naked?  I just get that feeling.  No to Bethenny.  Has everyone heard she announced she is joining Shark Tank?  Imagine being a mom-and-pop business trying to partner with her and be mentored by her. 

Re Steve - let's hope so! lol Even with Dr. Toothbrush's scoffing, eye rolling, and complaining about lack of female eye candy (although he did notice Bethany's chestical enhancements at approximately the second she appeared on screen). 

Re Bethany - Shark Tank? GMAB! I realize being in the right place at the right time is 98% of it, but without RHoNY her Skinny Girl products would have gone nowhere. What would her advice be? Hit up Andy Cohen for a show then sell your idea to someone for millions, all based on name recognition? 

On 6/9/2017 at 9:06 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I have several feelings about this week's episode.  I do like Steve as a person, but, I don't think that he really fits into the NYC real estate world, that I have seen.  I know he says he has experience and that he has all these connections, but, I don't see it happening. He does seem to be knowledgeable.  He just seems insecure to me.  He needs to get more assertive.  While I find him attractive, I sense that his slouching is hiding his physic.  Add the casual clothes, and he just doesn't seem like a power person.  I don't think he is demanding respect from those that we have seen him interact with and certainly, he's not using power in his body language.  Negotiations are great, but, there has to be a good foundation to start.  I hope he gets there, because, I do like him, but, he doesn't inspire confidence imo.  Maybe, his style works for some people, but,......I don't see it.  I do always suspect that the show does set ups with these clients and their reactions.  Maybe, that's how they want to portray Steven. 

I really do regret that they have chosen to have this overly done theme of sellers wanting too much in the asking price and refusing to consider lower offers.  It's so painful.  Why do they think the viewers like this? OMG.  I know, I talked about it upthread.  I don't want to beat it to death.  

I think Steve is all about being the real estate bro. It may work for now, but his shelf life as a bro (& let's hope the shelf life of brodom in general), will end soon. 

The pricing theme is painful & overdone. It's as bad as the back & forth on Pawn Stars. To me it makes the developers look uninformed, and not like someone I would want to do business with. I realize that these shows are nowhere near reality, but if my goal in appearing on the show was to get my name out there, I would want to present myself as professionally as possible. Aiming high is great, but being realistic is important too. 

On 6/9/2017 at 11:02 AM, ChitChat said:

Maybe because a man designed it?  I wonder if there was no other input on his project, especially from a female perspective.  I have a friend whose grandfather built a house back in the 50's and he forgot to put in the closets!  

Our house was built in 1954, and while the closets are tiny, there are plenty of them. But forgetting them all together? Mon Dieu!

On 6/9/2017 at 2:37 PM, Art Vandelay said:

The staging is more and more obvious. What a coincidence that the developer walked in unnoticed (with camera crew in toe) at the exact moment the lady asked if he was gay or straight. 

Wasn't it though? I was expecting him to ask her out, or for Bethany to ask Fredrik to fix them up or some such reality show tomfoolery. 

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I was looking on Steve's Instagram page, and it shows quite a few pictures of the properties he has sold.  This narrative of him being the underdog of real estate is probably misleading.  Of course I don't look to my reality shows to be a beacon of truth!  I guess they can't have the appearance of 3 super successful agents on one show!

1 hour ago, Toothbrush said:

Our house was built in 1954, and while the closets are tiny, there are plenty of them. But forgetting them all together? Mon Dieu!

He built the house himself, and it was nice, just sans closets!  However, he was very thoughtful and built in a special little nook in the kitchen for her to have a comfy little love seat so that she'd have a place to rest while waiting on her food to cook.  Remember, at that time, "a woman's place was in the kitchen!"  I say that in jest.  Please don't throw tomatoes at me!  At that time, most people ate 3 meals a day at home, so a nice big kitchen was actually a luxury.   ;)

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Wasn't it though? I was expecting him to ask her out, or for Bethany to ask Fredrik to fix them up or some such reality show tomfoolery. 

The funny thing was seeing how flustered Bethenny was.  Fredrik was right when he said that he'd never seen her that way before.  I've watched her on the other reality shows for years, and she's never, ever, for a loss of words!  

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13 hours ago, Toothbrush said:

This episode was boring to me, but that could be because I kept dozing off (cause or effect? ) I did appreciate that we got more real estate porn than usual - both of those townhouses were to die for! In my fantasy life of living off of my Powerball millions, I would buy the one with the elevator. This almost 45-year old is not about to walk up 5-6 flights of stairs! 

Agree with everyone on Renee the supposed supermodel. I called bs last week, and was really sure when her hair & make-up for RL's show were being done at her apartment. If they wanted to keep up the facade, but still wanted to portray her as a multi-tasking model, they should have come up with a different circumstance. 

Re Steve - let's hope so! lol Even with Dr. Toothbrush's scoffing, eye rolling, and complaining about lack of female eye candy (although he did notice Bethany's chestical enhancements at approximately the second she appeared on screen). 

Re Bethany - Shark Tank? GMAB! I realize being in the right place at the right time is 98% of it, but without RHoNY her Skinny Girl products would have gone nowhere. What would her advice be? Hit up Andy Cohen for a show then sell your idea to someone for millions, all based on name recognition? 

I think Steve is all about being the real estate bro. It may work for now, but his shelf life as a bro (& let's hope the shelf life of brodom in general), will end soon. 

The pricing theme is painful & overdone. It's as bad as the back & forth on Pawn Stars. To me it makes the developers look uninformed, and not like someone I would want to do business with. I realize that these shows are nowhere near reality, but if my goal in appearing on the show was to get my name out there, I would want to present myself as professionally as possible. Aiming high is great, but being realistic is important too. 

Our house was built in 1954, and while the closets are tiny, there are plenty of them. But forgetting them all together? Mon Dieu!

Wasn't it though? I was expecting him to ask her out, or for Bethany to ask Fredrik to fix them up or some such reality show tomfoolery. 

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To the bolded: This is my point in regards to the pricing debacle.  Wouldn't a developer know the area and have a targeted price point BEFORE proceeding with the construction?  You pick out fixtures, cabinetry, flooring, etc based off of your price point. It makes hte developers look like idiots. when they want a place priced $1,000 more a square foot than what the area can support. 

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19 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

It makes hte developers look like idiots. when they want a place priced $1,000 more a square foot than what the area can support. 

So much this.  And it makes the realtors look like idiots when they let the contractors force them to agree to a higher price than the realtors know the market will support.  Then the realtors have to come back and humiliate themselves some more to get the contractor to agree to a price reduction when the property gets no offers.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Make it stop, please.  Of course, I realize this is all scripted, but can't they get a new plot device, because this one needs to be thrown away like a nasty, used kleenex? 

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On 6/9/2017 at 4:47 AM, escapetoreality said:

So are we to assume that each episode will show Steve at home in his apartment half naked?  I just get that feeling.   

I'll put it out there right now - I am perfectly fine with that.  Steve gets hotter to me by the week.  And I love his laid back personality.  It's a nice change to the usually frenetic energy. 

Still love Fredrik.  Frenetic energy is his thing.

Ryan needs to lose the beard.  

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Gawd, if you're this famous 'super-model' and walking a show for Ralph Lauren....could you at least learn how to pronounce his last name correctly?

I don't think she was walking in the show - I think she was just attending the show.  First, a model would be getting hair and makeup done at the show itself, because the designer chooses that.  Also, we saw on the show an invitation, so I'm certain Renee was just attending the Ralph Lauren show and not walking as a model.  Whether she is/was a model at one time is another question.

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On 6/12/2017 at 6:51 AM, diadochokinesis said:

To the bolded: This is my point in regards to the pricing debacle.  Wouldn't a developer know the area and have a targeted price point BEFORE proceeding with the construction?  You pick out fixtures, cabinetry, flooring, etc based off of your price point. It makes hte developers look like idiots. when they want a place priced $1,000 more a square foot than what the area can support. 

It's because they started the project when the market was in an upswing. They bought into the project at a price point that banked on prices in the area continuing to go up, and when that doesn't actually happen they have a hard time facing the reality that they will have to settle for lower profits, breaking even, or worst case scenario: losing money. This is the least staged part of the show as far as I'm concerned, it was basically the theme of the high end real estate market in NYC throughout 2016.

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On 6/10/2017 at 0:52 AM, diadochokinesis said:

I know some of the current models but really just the bigger names (the ones that could actually afford this place).  Maybe her fiance has money. But come on, no model gets their hair and makeup done at home to go to a show where it is going to get redone backstage to match the designer's vision (especially since she said the show was in an hour). Plus, she looked too old to be a model.  I would put her in her mid to late 30's (and really, I could even see moving into the 40's). 

She was not walking the show, she was invited as a guest. They were showing the invitation and you could see her last name on it so I googled her. I already forgot the last name and erased the show but from what I read she was trying to work as a model back 10 years ago and she was in some documentary about how hard it is for models of color to find work and she was blacklisted by agencies because of that. The documentary is on the web. She is Canadian and now has some webseries Renee something about modeling that is supposedly about the real struggle and life of a model. I think she is around 33. Doesn't look like she got much work back then but later because of the documentary and scandal around it now some designers work with her, possibly because of the webseries too? She is definitely NOT supermodel, the money for that apartment must be coming from her fiancee.

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54 minutes ago, ava111 said:

She was not walking the show, she was invited as a guest. They were showing the invitation and you could see her last name on it so I googled her. I already forgot the last name and erased the show but from what I read she was trying to work as a model back 10 years ago and she was in some documentary about how hard it is for models of color to find work and she was blacklisted by agencies because of that. The documentary is on the web. She is Canadian and now has some webseries Renee something about modeling that is supposedly about the real struggle and life of a model. I think she is around 33. Doesn't look like she got much work back then but later because of the documentary and scandal around it now some designers work with her, possibly because of the webseries too? She is definitely NOT supermodel, the money for that apartment must be coming from her fiancee.

Found it!  Renee Thompson and the documentary is The Color of Beauty. Her Twitter bio says "Singer/Songwriter/Muse"  LOL

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Those BIG numbers you see as commissions are very misleading. I'm an admin. for a real estate company. 6% is what they are showing you. Here's how that breaks down.

 3% goes to the company that listed the property, 3% goes to the company that sold it. Depending on your commission deal you get a % of that 3% and the company gets the rest. If you are on a Team your Team Leader gets a cut of you 3% also. Then everything you paid (out of pocket) for advertising, gas, etc. has to be figured in. So nope you're not making big bucks. 

If you both list and sell the house your company gets the entire 6% so , yes, then you make more. Sometimes agents have to "deal" to get a listing and then they reduce their commission. SO they make even less. 

If your house sells for , say, 300,000 the 6% is $18,000. Divide that in half so $9,000. Your deal is 2.% for you and the rest to the company....and don't forget all those newspaper ads, real estate books, gas for your car, and most offices charge for a private office so add that in. Oh and your fees to the MLS and other organizations you need to join....

If you're a team leader however you get a cut of what every person on your team sells. Ryan has a ton of agents working for him. He gets a cut of everything they list and sell. Plus he works in super high end so yes he's wealthy. So is Fredrik who also has a lot of people working for him AND owns a realty company in Sweden.

Not saying you can't make great money, you can. I have agents who make a TON of money and others who can't pay their office fees. You have to hustle 24/7 to make it big. 

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7 minutes ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

6% is what they are showing you. Here's how that breaks down.

Actually they show 3% (I just checked on Ryan's big house that he sold to the developer). Now that may have been a special case because I don't know what the situation with a "buyers agent" might have been. But I also checked on the most recent episode and Steve's commission for the 12.75 M deal was also shown as 3%. But you of course are right with the further winnowing of the commission with the firm, and expenses.

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