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I enjoy Nate and Jeremiah as people, but am often underwhelmed by their designs, including this episode. The star cement tiles...just no. Jeremiah said they were 'sophisticated' which is the last word I would use to describe them. I'd describe them as Americana, or even kitschy. Also, concrete is so hard for standing on. It would be the last thing I would want in my kitchen.

I also see that N&J have jumped on the brass and gold fixture bandwagon. I had my kitchen redone recently, and the first thing I told the designer was no brass or gold anything. I think it's going to go out of style quickly.

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I didn’t really like the tile floor.  I generally am not a fan of floor tile as it is so hard to change. I prefer something easier to take out in 5 years as there is no way those tiles will stay trendy for more than a year or two.

I liked the cabinets on their own but I don’t think they went with the other wood tones they had in the wood floors and furniture. Personally I think cabinets that looked like that unit in the living room would have been nice.  White outer boxes and warmer wood flat panel doors.

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My issue is with the mold. I recently had a wall in my home remediated and it cost $5000.00 and insurance denied it, so it was all on me. No way that black mold only cost $550. I hate shows that don't tell the real story. How come if the homeowner has $750000 to spend on a renovation can they not call a plumber to fix the sink??????

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Nate has always underwhelmed me.  He's just not my kind of designer.  I did land on the new show recently and was amazed at how much delay there was after the homeowners returned inside the house.  It went on and on.....why not just reveal it....bla bla bla....omg.  So annoying.  I wish I liked their work, but, I don't think this is for me.  The child is adorable. 

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On 4/9/2018 at 11:13 PM, fountain said:

I didn’t really like the tile floor.  I generally am not a fan of floor tile as it is so hard to change. I prefer something easier to take out in 5 years as there is no way those tiles will stay trendy for more than a year or two.

I liked the cabinets on their own but I don’t think they went with the other wood tones they had in the wood floors and furniture. Personally I think cabinets that looked like that unit in the living room would have been nice.  White outer boxes and warmer wood flat panel doors.

I really didn't like the tiles.  It was too much and then too much more.  I agree with you on the cabinets.

I do like that they do keep a secret reserve for problems.  Other shows must get a kick out of the shocked faces of homeowners who are told, "We didn't expect this 300 year old house to need new plumbing sooooo...........".

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Okay I would find it hard to believe that people lived without a kitchen for 16 years.  That is just crazy.

I didn’t mind the style and item choices but I thought it was too much kitchen to living space, proportionally.  It really was too big a kitchen for the size of house, at least for my taste.  The living room was more just a hallway and it was stuffed too full to really be able to move through it if some was on the couch.  Hopefully that is only the door for guests and the couple comes in most days from a side or back door.

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1 hour ago, fountain said:

Okay I would find it hard to believe that people lived without a kitchen for 16 years.  That is just crazy.

I missed the first part of the episode, was there any reason other than contractors let them down (I think that's what Nate said)? Because that IS crazy! A kid can go from birth to driving in that time, but you can't finish a kitchen? I had a friend who re-did her kitchen doing all the work herself. She let a family member with a three year old move in with her during that time and still took less than a year to finish (and it was beautiful)!

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I think the reason that couple had so much trouble with contractors was the couple themselves.  He seemed awfully controlling and probably micro-managed anyone working there (the size of the windows is an example).  And she was indecisive.  The fact that they had the workers demo the bathroom without consulting Nate and Jeremiah says a lot.

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How the fuck do,people live like that?  No sink, exposed wiring, plywood on the floor.  It’s like a variation of Hoarders.  People that can’t move forward, don’t see that they are the problem.  Clearly some mental health issues.  I redid my tiny condo kitchen for about $15K.  Countertops, cabinets, appliances.  I can see easily spending upwards of $70K on those people’s house.

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11 hours ago, fountain said:

 

Okay I would find it hard to believe that people lived without a kitchen for 16 years.  That is just crazy.

 

 

Wow, we don’t get this episode until the 21st.  No episode aired last night.  Now I’m going to go crazy with anticipation.

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4 hours ago, camom said:

I think the reason that couple had so much trouble with contractors was the couple themselves.  He seemed awfully controlling and probably micro-managed anyone working there (the size of the windows is an example).  And she was indecisive.  The fact that they had the workers demo the bathroom without consulting Nate and Jeremiah says a lot.

She seemed like a real pain.  She couldn't make decisions, but clearly didn't mind objecting to the decisions that others made.  He was fed up.

Do Nate and Jeremiah only have the one hat and have to take turns wearing it?

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I think the reason that couple had so much trouble with contractors was the couple themselves.

I agree.  Something was definitely off there.  The fact that their daughter named her son Fynix was a big clue.  I suppose they pronounce it Phoenix but still......................  I can imagine a couple living like that for a year maybe while time slips away as they try to make decisions but 16 years like that?  16 Christmas seasons?  No way.

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I am watching this now and these people are repugnant.  They are just a damaged as hoarders.  I haven't finished watching, they just told Nate they ripped the bathroom out.   I wonder how they will function in a finished house.   They are getting something out of living like they have been for 14 fucking years.  Part of me thinks the man will tear up some of the things they did after they have lived there for a stint. 

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This woman is loaded with fear and anxiety.   She doesn't think she is worthy of a nice house.  Hideous people.  

I didn't care for what they did.  I loved the house with the star tiles.  I agree that I would have chosen different tiles but the rest of the house is my style and current home, mid century modern.  

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I hate to make 'armchair' observations based on the very limited amount of time we saw the couple from last night's episode, but after just a few minutes I sensed something VERY strange lurking under the surface with those two.  As others have said I could see maybe a year going by like that due to life getting in the way, but SIXTEEN YEARS of NO KITCHEN SINK??? What the everliving F?  I mean even if you don't complete the remodel at least go buy a laundry sink from home depot and hook it up to the water line!!  The woman seemed sweet but there was something off about her, almost as if the sweetness was a put on.  I don't really know what exactly but she seemed damaged.  I sensed anger lurking beneath the surface with the man.  I wonder what they are like behind closed doors.  

I think the final design looked decent but I didn't care for the terra-cotta above the stove at all.  I think they chose nice furniture and accessories but that house was so small and oddly laid out it was very difficult to arrange the furniture.  I feel the pain because I also have a small house (not quite as small as theirs) but the living room is also basically where the front door is and it's a pass through to the rest of the house. 

I would really be interested in seeing what's become of the house after Nate and Jeremiah left.  

Oh and Nate, please shave more regularly.....

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The last week couple I actually liked what they did on their own in the living room better than the kitchen.  I did like a lot of the elements of the kitchen but not everything.  It was interesting they initially went towards the shaker door because based on their LR they didn’t seem like shaker door people.  Maybe they were thinking resale as shaker isn’t as trendy as some of the flat panels will be.  When you are spending a lot I am sure you worry if the cabinets will be out of style in a couple of years.

This week with the older couple nothing really was my taste but it was okay.   If I were spending $83k I wouldn’t choose any the stuff they did but the look works for a lot of people.  I respect that Nate and Jeremiah show different styles and  they seem to know the details needed to create a certain style.  So many other design shows have pretty but generic styles (shaker cabinet, grey walls, gold handles, white and grey marble... done).  While this room had the white shaker, it had more unique elements with the range hood and all the art pieces Jeremiah was talking about.

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She was insufferably passive aggressive and hid it behind compulsive religiosity. He was a bombastic dickhead. All their other contractors probably ran screaming. Pick better people in the future, Nate and Jeremiah. It's no fun to watch people who actually do not deserve all this benefit from it.

Edited to add that she actually reminds me of MEchelle Duggar, with her singsong baby voice and thinly veiled control freak personality. The bullshittery of them having the contractors demo the bathroom without talking to N and J about it just baffles me. And then having the nerve to react all, "oh, golly, you mean increasing the scope of work without talking to you was a bad thing? Shucks!" Wow, these people were awful.

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Amen amen to all the comments above about these people....thought it might be just me. Thought they were horrid people with the veneer of "oh golly gee whiz....." smile smile smile. Husband was micromanager personified....kept the useless blocked off back door  because once a year that's how they bring in the Christmas tree?????

And picking out stone is a terrifying experience????  Also didn't like that they said they only had $73,000 in the budget ( after scrimping and saving....snifff, sniff....for 15 years!!)  for the kitchen, then they whip $10,000 out of their pocket to give to the contractor on the side for the bathroom that wasn't even scheduled for the show?  Have to admire the control by Nate & Jeremiah ...they must have been livid.

Think they would have been better off spending some of that reno budget on a psychiatrist.

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I was also thinking all their plans with the contractors were on those papers they showed N&J.  The contractors probably insisted on real drawings and then noped out of there.  It didn’t seem like they were scammed or anything.  Another thought was that they probably tried to cheap out and hire handymen and not real contractors and then expanded the scope of the project to a point where it was too big for the handymen.

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Glad I am not the only one who thinks there was something off about that couple.  I also suspect mental health issues.  Washing the dishes in the bathroom sink for 16 years??!!  Did you see the sponge thing on the side of the bathroom sink, which was right next to the toilet?  So it was just left there all the time while they did their regular bathroom "stuff?"  Yikes.

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This week's couple needed some serious therapy. Who lives without a kitchen sink for 16years? They both seemed like micromanaging, pains in the neck. Nate and Jeremiah might have left them hanging as well after the disrespect they showed,  if it was on t.v. If I were doing a reno and the couple just decided out of the blue they wanted the bathroom ripped up without consulting me, they would have been living another 16years without anything being fixed.

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On 4/11/2018 at 7:40 AM, sadtvjunkie said:

My issue is with the mold. I recently had a wall in my home remediated and it cost $5000.00 and insurance denied it, so it was all on me. No way that black mold only cost $550. I hate shows that don't tell the real story. How come if the homeowner has $750000 to spend on a renovation can they not call a plumber to fix the sink??????

Amen.  Mike Holmes would have had the air tested before he allowed any workers to work on the home, and if needed, kick out the couple.
Is the $75K what they can borrow on the house?
Maybe they usually used a plastic wash tub on a table, because I can't imagine how nasty and clogged a bathroom sink would get, from kitchen grease, etc.

On 4/15/2018 at 1:48 PM, mlp said:

The fact that their daughter named her son Fynix was a big clue.  I suppose they pronounce it Phoenix but still...................... 

I googled it, and this is on Fynix as a name.  There's also an amazon storefront seller of that name.
https://www.names.org/n/fynix/about

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The absence of information just tells me that it's a made up name.  I know it's an opinion on my part but I hate it when parents give kids bizarre names they'll have to live with forever.

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3 minutes ago, mlp said:

The absence of information just tells me that it's a made up name.  I know it's an opinion on my part but I hate it when parents give kids bizarre names they'll have to live with forever.

I worked with someone once, who not only did this, but made up an accent mark to go with it.  This was in the "do your own thing" 70s.

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On 4/16/2018 at 5:21 PM, debbie311 said:

Glad I am not the only one who thinks there was something off about that couple.  I also suspect mental health issues.  Washing the dishes in the bathroom sink for 16 years??!!  Did you see the sponge thing on the side of the bathroom sink, which was right next to the toilet?  So it was just left there all the time while they did their regular bathroom "stuff?"  Yikes.

Yes! And she's washing the dishes...while the toilet seat lid is UP! That carpet coming up - it was FULL of dust. There was something seriously off with that whole scenario and then they get $83 k worth of stuff? Argh.

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I think the final design looked decent but I didn't care for the terra-cotta above the stove at all.  I think they chose nice furniture and accessories but that house was so small and oddly laid out it was very difficult to arrange the furniture.  I feel the pain because I also have a small house (not quite as small as theirs) but the living room is also basically where the front door is and it's a pass through to the rest of the house. 

I agree with this assessment. The hood was too big, especially for a regular oven. I don't like hexagon tiles, although those seem to be the hot things these days. I did like the overall look of the kitchen though. The marble/granite was amazing and dramatic.

Did not like the wall color in the bathroom, and I know how Nate said that white subway tile is good from a budget and style perspective,  but I would have liked to have seen a different, yet still budget-friendly tile.

I do like how they will talk about saving money a little bit ... I'd like more of that. They did come in under budget, but I'd like to hear the specifics.  (e.g., where to spend vs. where to save)

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1 hour ago, MoreCoffeePlease said:

I did like the overall look of the kitchen though. The marble/granite was amazing and dramatic.

I think it was marble, and it stains.  I'd rather have something impervious to stains.

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20 hours ago, MoreCoffeePlease said:

Did not like the wall color in the bathroom, and I know how Nate said that white subway tile is good from a budget and style perspective,  but I would have liked to have seen a different, yet still budget-friendly tile.

If what we saw was true and they snuck the bathroom destruction in without discussing it with N&J - I was wishing the guys would give them an all white style-free bathroom. Then shrugged and said "Well, if we were told at the beginning..." I know they'd never do that, but I'm snottier than N&J and I think that's what I would have done.

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Jeremiah reminds me of what Tom Schwartz from Vanderpump Rules could be if he were gay and not a garbage person. 

They really like those iron doors which I do but seems like it might look dated soon, wasn't feeling the wood above them. I think the whole thing about ordering the wrong size fireplace was for the show but what centered the fireplace and make it not look strange was the tv not the wood. I think a piece of art on the more formal side would have been much better than the low hanging light fixture which looked out of place and made the wall look bare.

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Jeremiah is a cranky fella.  Nate seems to role with it and even teases him (hanging that piece of art this week).  

I like their personal style for the most part.  I like the rustic, modern mix and like white walls.  Where it misses for me is the lack of accent colors.  My home has white walls and light furniture from wheat to white.  On top of this neutral modern base I have accent colors of red, deep golden yellow, blue, black and green in splashes here and there.  They are in my original art, pillows and throws on the couch.  That is what most of their rooms need for me to be dazzled.  

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I couldn't figure out where they were actually working!  They kept showing the front of the house and it was 1 story, typical ranch style.  But the room was two-story with timber framing.  How did it attach to the rest of the house?  Why couldn't you see it from the street - it was enormous?  Was it an old firehouse?  An old church?  Inquiring minds want to know!

I would be *more* terrified with children and a clear barrier than with the previous insufficient wooden one.  But maybe that's just me.

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It was a super odd layout for the house, I wish they would show floor plans for the entire house or at keast the main floor to put the space in context.

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I couldn't figure out where they were actually working!  They kept showing the front of the house and it was 1 story, typical ranch style.  But the room was two-story with timber framing.

That was bugging me too.  I couldn't spot any place on the exterior where the roof line was higher than than a regular ranch house roof.

I really like Nate and Jeremiah.  They always seem so sincere and I don't think it's a big act.  I'd trust them to design something for me because I like what they do and because I know they'd take my wishes into consideration unlike some of the gang on Trading Spaces.  

The fire pole was weird but kind of neat.  However, I'd be nervous about having young kids up there with that big hole in the floor.  

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5 minutes ago, mlp said:

The fire pole was weird but kind of neat.  However, I'd be nervous about having young kids up there with that big hole in the floor.  

Yes, I saw that the floor would close, but if they had friends over, I'd worry, and worry about the ladder.   Was there another way to the loft?  I didn't see one.
I did like how the rooms turned out, and liked the doors.


 

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On 4/16/2018 at 9:07 AM, bioprof said:

Amen amen to all the comments above about these people....thought it might be just me. Thought they were horrid people with the veneer of "oh golly gee whiz....." smile smile smile. Husband was micromanager personified....kept the useless blocked off back door  because once a year that's how they bring in the Christmas tree?????

And picking out stone is a terrifying experience????  Also didn't like that they said they only had $73,000 in the budget ( after scrimping and saving....snifff, sniff....for 15 years!!)  for the kitchen, then they whip $10,000 out of their pocket to give to the contractor on the side for the bathroom that wasn't even scheduled for the show?  Have to admire the control by Nate & Jeremiah ...they must have been livid.

Think they would have been better off spending some of that reno budget on a psychiatrist.

That couple was off.  First off, building an add on for your daughter so she won't leave the nest is a bit controlling for my tastes.  Picking out countertops?  Really?  Is it THAT scary?  Who lives without a kitchen sink for THAT long?  My mom was w/out hot water in her kitchen sink for about a year and we were like......"MOM!"  But hey she wasn't trucking her dishes into the bathroom.

Weird couple and their weirdness was all on display for all to see.

I work in education and the "Finyx" needs to stop. Yesterday.

I think the controlling hubby showed plans to contractors and when told it was not possible, hubby fired any future contractors.  I had very little sympathy for them.

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I thought the living room for the family of little people was nice. The bedrooms and bathrooms though? No, didn't like at all. I thought the couple should have gone with the first, less expensive plan to begin with. I have a tiny bathroom and it's no fun to feel closed in while you get ready for the day. The parent's bathroom was so narrow and closed in and they'll have to keep the bathroom doors open all the time because double doors that open towards you won't work for the mom and her walker. 

The kid's bathroom was a little better - but both were so DARK! Not happy or soothing at all. Just dull and drab. I'm not a fan of blue, and really don't like it on walls, so the son's room was nice in terms of furniture but I hated the DARK blue walls.

In the parent's bedroom, one wall of hand painted trees would have been plenty. That headboard looked like something made on Trading Spaces. The room looked sad and cold to me.

Nate (or Jeremiah?) said that they made sure there was no lip on the shower on the entry of the kid's shower in case they ever need to "roll something in there" - what did they mean? Are they thinking mom might need to use a wheelchair and she could wheel in and transfer to a shower stool? Is that a dumb question?

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3 hours ago, Nordly Beaumont said:

I thought the living room for the family of little people was nice. The bedrooms and bathrooms though? No, didn't like at all. I thought the couple should have gone with the first, less expensive plan to begin with. I have a tiny bathroom and it's no fun to feel closed in while you get ready for the day. The parent's bathroom was so narrow and closed in and they'll have to keep the bathroom doors open all the time because double doors that open towards you won't work for the mom and her walker. 

The kid's bathroom was a little better - but both were so DARK! Not happy or soothing at all. Just dull and drab. I'm not a fan of blue, and really don't like it on walls, so the son's room was nice in terms of furniture but I hated the DARK blue walls.

In the parent's bedroom, one wall of hand painted trees would have been plenty. That headboard looked like something made on Trading Spaces. The room looked sad and cold to me.

Nate (or Jeremiah?) said that they made sure there was no lip on the shower on the entry of the kid's shower in case they ever need to "roll something in there" - what did they mean? Are they thinking mom might need to use a wheelchair and she could wheel in and transfer to a shower stool? Is that a dumb question?

The mom could also use her walker in there as well, but yes, they probably meant a wheelchair. Considering health issues affect little people, probably not a bad thing to have,. That's probably a good shower for somebody older too.

Yes, even though master bath was narrow, it did increase the value of the home  adding a 2nd bath and also getting a master suite,

Too bad in the kid's/guest bath they didn't add a skylight.

I like the mural  - it reminded me of de Gournay paper

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This episode was interesting. Not only did the house have to be accessible, it had to fit a lot into a small space. Adding a second bath was a good investment.

I liked the colors of the master bath but the wall tiles looked thick and heavy for such a narrow space. I got the reason for the marble piece above the tub to pull the eye away from the tub, but I wouldn't have bothered. The tub is the tub, so whatever.  Making the kids' bath also a guest bath was a nice idea, and the pull-out step for the sink was neat. At least one closet was lost for the remodel. Did N & J mention closets in the master and son's bedrooms?

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3 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

This episode was interesting. Not only did the house have to be accessible, it had to fit a lot into a small space. Adding a second bath was a good investment.

I liked the colors of the master bath but the wall tiles looked thick and heavy for such a narrow space. I got the reason for the marble piece above the tub to pull the eye away from the tub, but I wouldn't have bothered. The tub is the tub, so whatever.  Making the kids' bath also a guest bath was a nice idea, and the pull-out step for the sink was neat. At least one closet was lost for the remodel. Did N & J mention closets in the master and son's bedrooms?

I think the mom was really worried about the bathroom looking too much like a hospital, which I can understand. I wasn’t crazy about ALL THE TILE, but I guess that’s the thing now.  From looking at the kitchen, the family had pretty decent taste. The mural seemed a little over the top, but I understand their reasoning. It didn’t look like there was a TV in the bedroom, so I understand wanting SOMETHING other than plain walls to look at. They could easily keep one Wall a mural and change the rest.   I think the son’s new room had closets on either side of the window.

 

I think this was my favorite episode so far.  This was a family that really needed help.  And I love how N&J worked so hard to make it a beautiful and functional house.  I also loved the dad telling us about his dream about the reveal!  They were a sweet couple, and I hope the mom is able to heal so she can enjoy her beautiful house. 

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4 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

and the pull-out step for the sink was neat. At least one closet was lost for the remodel. Did N & J mention closets in the master and son's bedrooms?

They added a closet to the new master, it just blended in to the wall because of the wall painting. The dining room seemed like it had storage and tgey basically just painted it.

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This is my favorite episode too, because these people really needed the house to function better for everyone, and be safe for mom.
I'm not fond of so much tile either, and like a light, (read "white," ) bathroom, but they're stuck with it now.
I did like the mural, and a TV is easy to add if they want one.

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Nice episode with normal people who really appreciated their work.  Great family.

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I haven't really gotten into season 2.  I think it is just because their designs are always so similar, and the reliance on contracters through the show really just makes it another re-do a whole house type of show.  For some reason I liked season 1, but maybe that was enough for me.  I think I would prefer to see them re-do some single rooms and get back to things people can do on their own.

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I understand that they disguised the the grab bar as a towel bar, so as not to make it look like a handicapped bathroom, but I'd love to see grab bars be a norm on the bathtub wall.
You don't have to be old or handicapped to slip in a tub, and unless you die young, you're going to be old one day.
At one time, basement stairs often had no hand rails, but safety standards now require them in most places, and new builds, and no one sees a that as a stigma.

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11 minutes ago, auntjess said:

I understand that they disguised the the grab bar as a towel bar, so as not to make it look like a handicapped bathroom, but I'd love to see grab bars be a norm on the bathtub wall.
You don't have to be old or handicapped to slip in a tub, and unless you died you, you're going to be old one day.

We installed grab bars (and use them as towel bars) in our bathroom. My elderly mother-in-law needed help getting in and out of the shower as well as getting on and off the toilet, and my husband (who had designed some ADA-compliant bathrooms in the past) strategically placed the grab bars both inside the shower and on the walls of the bathroom itself so it was easier for her to get around. I didn't even notice the towel bar/grab bar in the episode because I'm used it in my own home.

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I had to laugh when the couple with the wife with health problems said they had to check that their son approved of the remodel. Jeremiah later rolled his eyes on camera that the whole project rested on the decision of a fifteen-year-old who hates change. The moment was likely staged, but Jeremiah's delivery of that line was funny. 

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I really hope they did something for the girl, she didn't even get to come home for the reveal!

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I liked the colors of the master bath but the wall tiles looked thick and heavy for such a narrow space.

Totally. They were sticking out in a weird way where to me it either looked like a bad tile job, or just not how I would want tile to be in my bathroom.  (Might be dangerous too, with slight points sticking out.)

I also agree with posters who said the bathrooms were just too dark. Uggh.

What a nice family though. And I do love how emotional Jeremiah gets.

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On 5/3/2018 at 2:03 PM, MoreCoffeePlease said:

Totally. They were sticking out in a weird way where to me it either looked like a bad tile job, or just not how I would want tile to be in my bathroom.  (Might be dangerous too, with slight points sticking out.)

I also agree with posters who said the bathrooms were just too dark. Uggh.

What a nice family though. And I do love how emotional Jeremiah gets.

I had to choose tile for a kitchen backsplash, and it turned out to be a difficult choice. I saw a lot of those rough, thick tiles. They're heavy and usually expensive. Tile salesperson pointed out that wall tile doesn't bear any weight, so there's no advantage to using something thick other than preferring the look. I ended up selecting an inexpensive beige subway tile, and it is doing its job perfectly. 

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This was my first time watching this show. I found the renovation very beautiful. They found a beautiful multi functional table to serve as her desk, but where were the three monitors and computer she uses in her office?

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