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Zach and Tori

11 hours ago, Shmoopaloop said:

Anyone see the video post Tori made? I watched literally 2 seconds of Jackson being tickled and laughing, then I had to put my phone down. When I came back to watch the whole thing a few hours later, it was gone. Wonder what kind of drama got stirred up over it for her to take it down. 🤔

Tickle torture criticism, no doubt. 

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Yeah I saw it.  My guess is she was being shamed for not letting him come up for air every minute or so. 

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I see they wear matching PJ's like Jeremy and Audrey, but why is Jackson always half naked?

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16 hours ago, LucyEth said:

I see they wear matching PJ's like Jeremy and Audrey, but why is Jackson always half naked?

On one of the photos, she said he spilled something on them.

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6 hours ago, funky-rat said:

On one of the photos, she said he spilled something on them.

This time but she posts a lot of pictures of him in just a diaper.

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16 hours ago, LucyEth said:

This time but she posts a lot of pictures of him in just a diaper.

I always assumed that it's hard to find clothes that fit him, and are comfortable.  Just an assumption, though.

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I think she just really likes to look at his cute pudgy little body. And he seems to be an extra messy kid, so maybe it’s just easier. He has to be a little chilly, imo. 

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1 hour ago, Shmoopaloop said:

He has to be a little chilly, imo

I feel chilly just looking at him. He'd be cuddlier with some warm jammies on - & here's a radical thought - he doesn't have to match his parents! *gasp*

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Eh, personally I am kinda totally over the matching Christmas pajamas nonsense because its nothing more than a ploy by clothing companies to get you to buy expensive bedclothes that you pretty much have to replace every year if you're super hyper about everyone matching. 

They were posing for a holiday photo. Wild guess? The kid soiled them, the person taking photos had something else to do, so they did a quick photo in matching pjs and then put the kid in his regular attire. The kid is in a house, not outdoors, and I assume they turned the heat on. Jackson probably didn't freeze to death. 

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It was a gift...but, it was super easy to make! #ad 

Let’s not call it a gift and call it what it is, another sponsored ad exchanging pr for goods. Not a gift.

Yes, I hate all sponsored posts with a fiery passion. 

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23 hours ago, Rap541 said:

They were posing for a holiday photo. Wild guess? The kid soiled them, the person taking photos had something else to do, so they did a quick photo in matching pjs and then put the kid in his regular attire. The kid is in a house, not outdoors, and I assume they turned the heat on. Jackson probably didn't freeze to death. 

She did say they were soiled, & of course he wasn't freezing to death. It just doesn't look comfortable to me & even if he had some pj's that were a solid color that matched it would've worked fine for the pictures, & would've been cuter, but that's just my opinion.

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On 12/11/2018 at 11:02 PM, Shmoopaloop said:

Anyone see the video post Tori made? I watched literally 2 seconds of Jackson being tickled and laughing, then I had to put my phone down. When I came back to watch the whole thing a few hours later, it was gone. Wonder what kind of drama got stirred up over it for her to take it down. 🤔

I didn't see it. But I immediately thought of how tickling can be a form of torture.

It was for me when I was a kid. Maybe someone else got triggered and said it was mean?? That's all I've got. Again, I didn't see it.

(If I was bigger back then, I would have kicked my older brother in the crotch)

 Just me?

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9 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Just me?

Nope. I had an uncle who tickled me to the point where I would cry because he also held me upside down while doing it. Torture. Then it turned into inappropriate touching as I got older. Tickle me and you’ll get a swift kick in the....

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14 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Nope. I had an uncle who tickled me to the point where I would cry because he also held me upside down while doing it. Torture. Then it turned into inappropriate touching as I got older. Tickle me and you’ll get a swift kick in the....

I’m very sorry that happened to you. 

 

Some kids love being tickled, some kids are more affectionate than others- I’m of the opinion of the kid doesn’t like it CUT IT OUT; it’s not funny, necessary for their health/safety/hygenine so WHY do that to them?!!

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9 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

t’s not funny, necessary for their health/safety/hygenine so WHY do that to them?!!

I'm feeling philosophical this morning so....

Lets start with the obvious. I'm not talking about people who tickle children as a prelude to sexual abuse because thats really a different beast. We're talking about the parent who tickles their child into  a helpless ball because they can.

Why do they do it? Because it makes the toddler laugh, because it was done to them as a child and they don't necessarily perceive it negatively, and because children often shriek "NO NO NO" at things they demonstrably enjoy or will enjoy once they get past the objection.

I know we're currently in an era where "the children should be listened to" and that there's a lot of people who are against making a child participate in something, that if a child balks then the child must be granted the control in the situation. I'm not going to call that ridiculous but I do think there's a middle ground between screaming at a child to participate in something, and letting a child, sometimes a very young child, rule the roost.

Most parents who do this aren't viewing it like "Yay! I get to cause serious health, safety, and hygiene damage to my child and get away with it!!! Woo! A free pass to abuse!" and taking that tone with such parents is why the argument gets divisive. Most parents who tickle their children do it because it's fun, and the child likes it, and *most* parents know to stop if the child starts to appear to be distressed.

But it's an art not a science because small children especially can be rather fussy. You know what I mean, crying and moaning like they're being tortured as they're put down for a nap, or offered a treat, or being hugged. If you're not in the school of child rearing where you believe the child should be granted control in all decisions, then you probably force your child to do a lot of things along with tickling them against their will.

I'm not against this school of thought entirely but there is a point where a child needs to learn they don't always get their way, and realistically, a two year old isn't necessarily capable of making the best decisions. 

True story - there was a baptism at my church's services yesterday. The baby being baptized was perfectly fine, but the two year old older brother? Just wasn't happy to be there, and hilariously was shouting "no no NO!" during the part where the family is asked to commit to teaching the baby. Now, did everything stop as the two year old was objecting? Of course not - he's two and has no idea what he's saying no to. The preacher made a joke about how "the church allows for dissent and hopefully Child X will change his mind as he gets older" and ignored it because.... little kids don't know what they are complaining about and often protest when there's absolutely nothing wrong. 

That's why parents sometimes push kids too far with tickling. It's hard to know, in an activity that provokes laughter, to judge when a not terribly verbal child is genuinely distressed. I doubt the parents who do this are doing it with any malicious intent and sometimes the parent shaming can be really accusatory.

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@Rap541 I think we are agreeing with each other. I do think a decent parent knows when a child is enjoying something versus distress, but some parents (being people to that have their own history and preferences) assume because they love being tickled their child must love it too, and keep tickling the child when they hate it. 

I am very old school in the sense I believe children should obey their elders and authority figures (you don’t get to have your way all the time)- but tickling the child just because the adult thinks it’s funny isn’t one of those things. 

I don’t think a parent that tickles their child too much is doing such a thing out of malice or some type of control, I just wonder “why”. 

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Funny, Audrey and Jeremy didn’t mention Zach and Tori were there too.

 

5 pictures:

 

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Who in the world are the giants on either end of that first picture?  WOW those are tall bookends!

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1 hour ago, sixlets said:

The one on the left looks like Mueller.  

It is.

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On 12/31/2018 at 11:17 AM, Rap541 said:

I think it's as simple as "my parents did it so I do it".

My father would tickle me to tears and I hated it so much. He didn't understand that, and I was too little to have a sit-down discussion about it so I don't think he ever realized how traumatic it was for me.  I was a real grouch when anybody started tickling my kids (my dad never did that--he was too old at that point)

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My dad used to tickle me. It was like fun torture. Like waiting in line to get on a rollercoaster. 

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My dad tickled me and my brother all the time. We also wrestled as much as he'd allow. Including elaborate "elbow drops" and plenty of play-by-play given by my dad. Once he tickled me so long I peed my pants and my mom yelled at him. I got cleaned up and went back to the fun. He would also give us whisker rubs on our cheeks and hold us down while letting the dog lick our ears and face, which tickled tremendously. I have nothing but fond memories of all of this and continue the tradition with my own children. My fourteen year old son wrestled me too aggressively and snapped my glasses. I'd say some families are just more physical than others. I would certainly never force my child to engage in physical play and it is very obvious, if you know your child, what they are comfortable with and what they aren't. I would say with a baby I've always disliked tickle torture as they can't give you much for cues while laughing hysterically and it just appears uncomfortable to me. 

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Hmm. I wonder if part of what is going on is the issue of Tori going back to work teaching. Wasn't that the plan? She was going to take some time off but eventually go back? 

How old is Jackson now? 

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3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Just gotta say it. Nice post, cute picture, cute baby, and no sales pitch. Notice the number of followers and likes. 

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6 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Hmm. I wonder if part of what is going on is the issue of Tori going back to work teaching. Wasn't that the plan? She was going to take some time off but eventually go back? 

How old is Jackson now? 

I would agree but she doesn’t say she’s praying to be a better teacher, etc.  I would think she would add that to the list.  But maybe she has been asked not to publicize it.  Last thing anyone needs is  fans showing up. 

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“Really difficult things” would be more than going back to work.  She could be needing to take care of parents in addition to her kid.  She could be having health issues, J could start having growth issues etc.  It’s worrying that she’s so vague.

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Tori doesn't look well.  She's always been my favorite.  Strange she would post something so personal on social media!

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Google says that they had to take J to the urgent care center while they were at Disneyland. Is that an old story or a new one?   Maybe she’s stressed about having to deal with a child that no longer stays where she puts him.  Following a toddler around who is easily hurt is stressful.   

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6 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Google says that they had to take J to the urgent care center while they were at Disneyland. Is that an old story or a new one?   Maybe she’s stressed about having to deal with a child that no longer stays where she puts him.  Following a toddler around who is easily hurt is stressful.   

Tori posted about it:

 

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My guess would be they’re having difficulty conceiving #2 and maybe fertility treatments are next on the agenda?

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