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S01.E06: Dead Meat 2017.03.26

30 miles outside of Chicago, the cancer riddled body of Chicago PD Officer Tim Cody is found dead in a bathtub.  An apparent suicide.  But when Antonio and Nagel arrive on scene they quickly determine his death was murder.  The trail leads to an old nemesis of Stone and he has to make new law to put him away.

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Ben Stone beat double jeopardy at least once...Junior learned something from the old man....

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Mediocre episode overall. Once again, there wasn't enough courtroom scenes. Only about the last 12 minutes were spent on the courtroom, which isn't nearly enough for what's supposed to be a legal show. They didn't seem to do much investigation at all before the arrest, and something about the writing just seemed off.

It still bugs me how they are having the SA Investigators be on the case from the start, that is the homicide detectives job not theirs and it is forced. It's pretty clear they wanted to make this "L&O : Chicago", but if they wanted to do that they should've made Dawson and Nagel homicide detectives, given them a boss and let them have the first 30 minutes of the show, and then let the prosecutors have the second 30 minutes, just like the mothership. The way it is right now, it's like the writers don't know what they want. The result is some kind of matchup of the mothership and Trial By Jury that feels very weird. 

Another thing that is weird is how every episode at about the midway point, Stone and Valdez will always be eating at the exact same restaurant and discussing the case, and the last scene they will be at the bar having drinks at the same bar. While eating/drinking scenes weren't unusual on the mothership, they weren't so formulaic and they weren't always at the exact same location, at the exact same table and at the exact same time in the episode. I miss the endings where the prosecutors discuss the case as they got in the elevator, I wish they would change it up some. 

The case could've been more interesting, the defendant was certainly a memorable, sleazy villain but the writing just seemed off. They had nothing on the guy until over halfway through, and the trial scenes were way too brief.  

They are completely wasting Jefferies, who is an interesting character and a good DA, and the only one who seemed to point out that they had no evidence and they needed a motive and more facts, I wish they would give him more scenes, he is barely on. Valdez on the other hand gets too many scenes for such a weak actress, she is incredibly flat, constantly smirking, and is reminding me more and more of detective Beauty Queen from season 17 of L&O. 

 I never remember Ben Stone beating double jeopardy, I remember Jack McCoy doing it though in a case where a judge was bribed. I remember Ben Stone having a similar case like this one against a smug adversary though. I did like how Peter Stone talked about his dad again, I thought we were most likely done with the L&O tie ins, it's nice for viewers that were L&O fans to get these little comments about L&O characters, and I hope they continue to do that, and I hope we find out more about what Ben Stone did after his retirement from the DA's office, and I hope we see Robinette or maybe another L&O character again at some point, even though I know Stone himself will never appear. 

This isn't a bad show, it just has some issues with the writing and isn't up to the quality of the L&O franchise shows, at least not yet. I hope the writing kinks get worked out, I would like to see the show succeed, it's just frustrating as a viewer how little courtroom we've gotten, as well as other writing oddities. 

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I'm just rolling with the show basically being Law & Order: Chicago at this point—although I thought this case made possibly more sense ending up with the SI's since it was taking place outside of Chicago proper, and the local police seemed woefully (almost comically) unable to handle things. Then again, Dawson was supposedly involved in the original case investigation, so who knows? I'm going to just have to suspend disbelief and roll with it.

And overall I did like this episode quite a bit. The story was different and yet also felt quite old school L&O to me. I thought everyone had a decent part to play and we got to see a little more of their personalities evolving. Nagel and Dawson really intrigue me as partners—they both have a lot of experience and are kind of jaded and cynical, but I like that it's Nagel who's even moreso that way. And nice to see Stone genuinely angry and pissed off at this guy, instead of Mr. Super-Cool all the time.

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I think my favourite moment in the episode might have been Junior's trying to soft-pedal his connection to The Great Stone:

Junior: My dad was an ADA back east...

Valdez: I know who your father is.

Heh. Imagine if Junior's been trying constantly to mention, ever so casually, that his father was the Amazing Ben Stone, and all his co-workers are kind of over it by now? That would amuse me.

Nagel's growing on me, but I'm still annoyed by Antonio. Giving him a connection to the prior case isn't helping convince me what a fantastic cop Antonio is. Just stop now, show.

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I spent the beginning of the episode believing that they found a new template and reason for the State's Attorney Investigators. It was the CBI from The Mentalist, instead of the Sheriffs or State Police helping small towns with little experience and crime labs for major crimes. By the half hour mark I was sure that the Law and Order twist was going to be a dying cop framing a guilty man as his last act.

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Overall I liked this episode a lot. The story was interesting and definitely reminded me of the old L&O days. Though Nagel is my favorite, all of the characters are growing on me, even Valdez. I would like to see more Jeffries, but I'm impressed that so far the show has remained an ensemble. 

This show has some weaknesses, but I appreciate that the cases are handled with decorum and sans PSA hysteria.  

P.S. Kudos to the writer that let us know that Valdez is a vegetarian! I appreciate the way her dietary restriction was casually mentioned and we didn't have to be sledgehammered to death with some angsty character moment! Yeah, it was tied in in an episode about a butcher, but lets face it, we all know that if an SVU character was a vegetarian it would be because they knew someone that died of Mad Cow or somehow fell to their death in a giant meat grinder or something. That is good, subtle writing imo, and lets us know a bit more about Valdez at the same time. 

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Now we know why they are always in the same restaurant...the only place in town that satisfies carnivores and vegetarians!

9 minutes ago, Gigglepuff said:

P.S. Kudos to the writer that let us know that Valdez is a vegetarian! 

 

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Another thing that is weird is how every episode at about the midway point, Stone and Valdez will always be eating at the exact same restaurant 

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10 hours ago, paigow said:

Ben Stone beat double jeopardy at least once...Junior learned something from the old man....

What episode are you thinking of? When Stone was talking to the judge about how double jeopardy doesn't apply if the defendant was never actually in jeopardy the first time, I thought of the season 6 episode where McCoy gave basically the exact same speech. 

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

It still bugs me how they are having the SA Investigators be on the case from the start, that is the homicide detectives job not theirs and it is forced. It's pretty clear they wanted to make this "L&O : Chicago", but if they wanted to do that they should've made Dawson and Nagel homicide detectives, given them a boss and let them have the first 30 minutes of the show, and then let the prosecutors have the second 30 minutes, just like the mothership. The way it is right now, it's like the writers don't know what they want. The result is some kind of matchup of the mothership and Trial By Jury that feels very weird. 

Another thing that is weird is how every episode at about the midway point, Stone and Valdez will always be eating at the exact same restaurant and discussing the case, and the last scene they will be at the bar having drinks at the same bar. While eating/drinking scenes weren't unusual on the mothership, they weren't so formulaic and they weren't always at the exact same location, at the exact same table and at the exact same time in the episode. I miss the endings where the prosecutors discuss the case as they got in the elevator, I wish they would change it up some. 

Honestly, this is "Law & Order". You know what you're getting. Dick Wolf shows are absolutely never about the real way public services are run. Nagel and Dawson are investigators because this is Trial by Jury: Chicago. Would the show be better if Dawson and Nagel played cops? No. On the original series, the cop half was always going through the motions. Find body, Lennie quip, red herring one, red herring two, arrest the guy. Making Dawson and Nagel investigators allows the show to focus on the actually interesting legal stuff. It allows them to take a side in the ethical debate of the week. It just makes more sense. 

Best episode so far, I think. The writers are better when they don't have to bring serious social issues into it and can just do a straight murder. Trying to make the butcher Stone's Lex Lutor nemesis was kind of funny, the way they had Stone growling his name when he was first introduced. And we all saw it was a blackmail scheme from miles away. Still good. Weird speechifying about governmemt regulations. Like, even the most hardcore libertraian doesn't think that justifies murder or insurance fraud. And we learned something about a character besides Stone. Valdez is a vegetarian. Still can't act, to the point it's actually distracting. 

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3 hours ago, Gigglepuff said:

I appreciate the way her dietary restriction was casually mentioned and we didn't have to be sledgehammered to death with some angsty character moment!

Valdez's "Do you know how many carcinogens are in a hotdog?" and Antonio's response of "Too late now." is the most I've ever liked Antonio. It was a nice little relationship-building scene.

I have to add that Jonesy the Small Town Cop was the least I've ever liked this show, and maybe any of the Chicago quartet: Jonesy the Incompetent Small Timer was a truly ridiculous character, and the cheapest available means of making Stone look brilliant, with almost being able to save the nincompoop's testimony.

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The warning they gave, I don't understand why they needed it. 

I liked the episode but seemed like it was more about the death of Marcus than the cop. I didn't like Jonesy either, he's so dumb. I want to know why he was lying about collecting evidence and at first I thought maybe he killed Cody. 

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1 hour ago, Tetraneutron said:

What episode are you thinking of? When Stone was talking to the judge about how double jeopardy doesn't apply if the defendant was never actually in jeopardy the first time, I thought of the season 6 episode where McCoy gave basically the exact same speech. 

Honestly, this is "Law & Order". You know what you're getting. Dick Wolf shows are absolutely never about the real way public services are run. Nagel and Dawson are investigators because this is Trial by Jury: Chicago. Would the show be better if Dawson and Nagel played cops? No. On the original series, the cop half was always going through the motions. Find body, Lennie quip, red herring one, red herring two, arrest the guy. Making Dawson and Nagel investigators allows the show to focus on the actually interesting legal stuff. It allows them to take a side in the ethical debate of the week. It just makes more sense. 

Best episode so far, I think. The writers are better when they don't have to bring serious social issues into it and can just do a straight murder. Trying to make the butcher Stone's Lex Lutor nemesis was kind of funny, the way they had Stone growling his name when he was first introduced. And we all saw it was a blackmail scheme from miles away. Still good. Weird speechifying about governmemt regulations. Like, even the most hardcore libertraian doesn't think that justifies murder or insurance fraud. And we learned something about a character besides Stone. Valdez is a vegetarian. Still can't act, to the point it's actually distracting. 

You aren't making sense. First you say "this is Law and Order", then you say "this is Trial By Jury : Chicago". Well make up your mind, you remind me of the writers, you're not sure which it is and it results in a bizarre mashup of both. And the original L&O was a pretty accurate representation of the way the system works, this isn't. And having the SA investigators take over from the start doesn't allow more legal stuff, it just makes it strange. It doesn't make sense, and frankly your post doesn't either. 

I did like the scene with Valdez and Dawson about the hot dog where it's revealed Valdez is a vegetarian, it was a nice way of giving more information about a character without beating us over the head with it. That being said, Valdez is a wooden pretty face

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2 hours ago, Sandman said:

Valdez's "Do you know how many carcinogens are in a hotdog?" and Antonio's response of "Too late now." is the most I've ever liked Antonio. It was a nice little relationship-building scene.

I have to add that Jonesy the Small Town Cop was the least I've ever liked this show, and maybe any of the Chicago quartet: Jonesy the Incompetent Small Timer was a truly ridiculous character, and the cheapest available means of making Stone look brilliant, with almost being able to save the nincompoop's testimony.

Hey, people not from New York (now Chicago) being inbred hicks is an L&O tradition. Next you're going to say that people should stop their daily routine when they're being interviewed by the police, or that the SA shouldn't have so many lifelong friends who have inside knowledge of the case of the week. 

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I don't know why Dawson was involved in the first case as a regular cop, as shown by his testimony at trial, and now he's involved in this case doing the exact same thing as a SA investigator. This is one of the things that really bugs me about this show--I can see if there was some specialized investigating that needed to be done (and then they would probably be "special investigators" with areas of expertise far removed from homicide investigation, like forensic accounting, etc.). But I am going to move past that, really I am. Soon, any day now. Mr. MML thinks he is part of all the Chicagos and that the characters are his friends in real life, so I am stuck watching them.   

I wish Show would let Law and Order go and really make this Chicago Justice (or really Cook County Justice, I guess). It looks like we are only ever going to see homicide cases. Bleah. Chicago has a rich history of criminal activity and homicide is just the tip of the iceberg here! It's not NYC light.

I was so disappointed that Mrs. Marcus wasn't having an affair with Pig Farmer and masterminded the original fatal fire simply to get rid of her husband--I cannot believe the defense lawyer didn't put her feet to the fire when she testified that she and Marcus were fighting and having marital problems and he went to sleep in the pig barn and that her son blamed her for Marcus's death. Then she could have moved on to the dead cop. I also didn't think the bruising on the body was indefensible and don't know why Pig Farmer took a plea. But mostly I can't believe the small town cop didn't turn out to be smarter than anyone realized and was also involved, perhaps being paid off a la Voight in the early PD episodes for certain favors for the Pig Man, as he was so insistent that the cop's death was a suicide when so obviously it was not. Not to mention what a stupid way to kill someone--surely there would be an easier more believable way to do it. Like just whack him and drop him off in one of the enormous forest preserves near Lemont, like we do in real life.

Valdez can leave any time now. Her character has such little weight that the show loses its bearings imo whenever she is in a scene. Like someone let a tween sit at the big table in court, or something.

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4 hours ago, Tetraneutron said:

Hey, people not from New York (now Chicago) being inbred hicks is an L&O tradition. Next you're going to say that people should stop their daily routine when they're being interviewed by the police, or that the SA shouldn't have so many lifelong friends who have inside knowledge of the case of the week. 

Ha! Sorry, I'd forgotten about the time-honoured L&O Big Apple chauvinism.

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Let's face it, this is really less a Chicago franchise show except for the name and more Dick Wolf's backdoor way of having some form of Law & Order back on the air!

So all of the old L&O tropes and style and whatnot, are what I expect for this show. Let's face it: All 3 of the successful L&O shows (I mention successful as there were a couple that did fail!) do a nice cha-ching for Dick Wolf in syndication. So why not cleverly do a pseudo-revival?

Which does remind me, two of the other Chicago shows (Fire and PD) are now in their 5th and 4th seasons, respectively, yet - unless I missed it, which is possible - there has been not a peep about syndication for them. Which is rather odd, especially since they are Dick Wolf properties. So, maybe this is one of the Chicago offshoots that Wolf hopes to have actually copy his successful other franchise, using the L&O formula of dollar-sign success!

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Things I don't like about this show -

1. Stone is so uptight. He needs to loosen up.

2. Is EVERY case about murder?

3. Do the cast ever talk about their personal lives / do we ever get in their personal lives? For instance, in Chicago Fire, that certainly happened with the recurring storyline with Chili.

4. What is up with Stone completely disobeying Jefferies orders an episode or two ago with using the military video tape but doing a 180 and time after time saying he wants to "create a story" in this episode?

5. Sometimes the episodes really feel contrived, like you know exactly when the murder will happen (for instance when the judge got murdered, you knew when Valdez was walking to her car and nothing relevant was happening for a couple of seconds you knew something would happen)

6. Will Stone ever lose a case (that is televised)?

That's all I have for now but I'm sure I'll come up with more later.

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I don't know if it's because it's a mid season show or what but I hope if it gets renewed it gets better. 

I do want to see Stone lose a case for sure but it seems like they should just have him and Dawson do the investigating. 

Personal lives, yeah, I'd like to hear more of that for sure. 

I do like Philip Winchester. (I had to look up his name to make sure I got it right. I had Peter instead at first. lol)

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I hope Stone loses at some point as well. One of the things about the L&O franchise is that justice didn't always prevail, just Iike real life. However this is some weird mashup of the L&O and Chicago shows and something about the writing overall just feels off. 

I like how we don't get much personal stuff, it's all about the case, I just wish they would adjust some writing kinks that are off.

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The lack of personal stuff definitely harkens back to the original Law & Order. If my theory above holds any truth, it makes sense here. Although, in that franchise, the spinoffs did get personal. And in the Chicago franchise, Fire and PD also dive into personal stuff, as does Med. Maybe this is meant to stand out there as the original L&O did, in that the case is the focus. Time will tell.

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I do think the lack of personal stuff was one of the hallmarks of Original Recipe L&O. I think of it as a Dick Wolf trademark, in some ways -- but then I never watched the spinoffs as consistently. I continue to be surprised, actually, by the degree to which personal angst among the fire crews, police officers and doctors on the Chicago trilogy drives story. I keep thinking Adam Schiff would be rolling his eyes.

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Yes, and  to me this lack of personal involvement makes Justice a misfit in the Chicago show universe. In the L&Os, excepting SVU which I never could get into (okay, I hated), the personal stuff was through the workplace perspective--e.g., we "saw" Ray's wife's MS progression only as Ray's coworkers did, from a distance. McCoy's randy history was exposed with the tiniest crumbs for the most part--I think his Claire romance wasn't even picked up on by most viewers until that episode about his former assistant throwing out evidence as a romantic favor to him. In the Chicago universe we would have occasionally seen them physically all over each other. 

Although personally I much prefer the L&O approach, it makes no sense that Justice follows that approach in that it's in the Chicago universe--Dick Wolf should have just brought back L&O, in NYC, which was awesome and very city-dependent. 

Totally off topic, I always thought NBC killed Dick Wolf with the Jay Leno in primetime move in fall of 2009. All the 9:00 pm Central/10:00 Eastern time slots went to Leno, and all the serious shows that used to have those slots got moved to early slots--L&O was moved 7 eastern time, Friday nights. Family time, sure, why not. Even though Leno prime time was cancelled in January 2010, the damage was done and L&O was cancelled that May. 

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10 hours ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

Yes, and  to me this lack of personal involvement makes Justice a misfit in the Chicago show universe. In the L&Os, excepting SVU which I never could get into (okay, I hated), the personal stuff was through the workplace perspective...

Briscoe & Green eventually bonded over their respective gambling problems after hating each other on sight.... Stone & Antonio should get along better from now on...

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22 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The lack of personal stuff definitely harkens back to the original Law & Order. If my theory above holds any truth, it makes sense here. Although, in that franchise, the spinoffs did get personal. And in the Chicago franchise, Fire and PD also dive into personal stuff, as does Med. Maybe this is meant to stand out there as the original L&O did, in that the case is the focus. Time will tell.

People say that, but if you watch the early (good) episodes, they actually go into detail about the characters' personal lives. They didn't show them with their families, or waste time with personal life plots, but the characters were written deeply enough that they were developed and had personal lives. Greevey was on for one season and we learned he's a religious Catholic Mets fan from Hell's Kitchen who doesn't trust doctors and has a good marriage and three kids. Compare that to Branch, who was on for 5 seasons, and we learn that he's from Georgia and has grandkids and I think that's literally it. Or Green, was on for 8 seasons and we don't learn much about him (not counting the gambling stuff in his last episode). Same with Serena (3.5 seasons). Except for that little surprise in her final episode, what did we ever learn about her life?

Right now, except for Stone, the characters are so generic I have to wikipedia everyone's name when I post here. I'm informed blonde investigator is named Laura Nagel but I don't think we've seen that on the show.

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Um, we learned about the same about all L&O characters, early and later :

Green, we learned about his gambling from his first episode, we learned that his family traveled a lot because of his dad's job as an oil engineer and later we learned that his dad had Alzheimer's, and we learned he worked on a narcotics division before becoming a homicide detective. We never knew much about Serena, but what did we know about Paul Robinette? That he came from a rough neighborhood and a poor family and worked his way up through law school and that is about it. We knew about the same amount of information about Arthur Branch as we did Adam Schiff. So your comment is inaccurate. 

And to the poster who said Briscoe and Green hated each other from the start, well that is blatantly false. They worked together fine from their first episode together, they had a spat in one episode early when a suspect confessed to Briscoe but Green doubted Briscoe's story, but they never hated each other. 

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Well justice isn't a soap opera. Justice isn't about characters whining about their lives, having incestous sex with one another, or having that one heartthrob. what's with the hate Antonio is getting huh? This guy has helped on many cases, has saved countless people, has been loyal to Voight. 

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1 hour ago, Elliebab said:

Well justice isn't a soap opera. Justice isn't about characters whining about their lives, having incestous sex with one another, or having that one heartthrob. what's with the hate Antonio is getting huh? This guy has helped on many cases, has saved countless people, has been loyal to Voight. 

Justice does not prevail while Voight remains free. Being loyal to him is a detriment to a law and order type show 

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3 hours ago, Raja said:

Justice does not prevail while Voight remains free. Being loyal to him is a detriment to a law and order type show 

So why doesn't Erin Lindsay get the same hate? she has worked with the guy just as much as Antonio did.

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Well, Lindsay isn't on Chicago Justice, so I'm not sure what she has to do with this conversation. But I agree that Voight is a detriment to an L&O type show, he's a dirty cop and not a good guy, and having an L&O type show in the same universe as a show lead by Voight is very hard to do and it's showing. It's so unrealistic that Voight would not only be allowed back but be given command of a squad after being LOCKED UP for a while. In real life, he would be fired, forced to resign or at the very least chained to a desk for the rest of his career, not given his own squad and free reign to torture. That would be a PR disaster and the department would have a ton of lawsuits and wouldn't be trusted. 

 But I don't see much Antonio hate here at all, the character the gets bashed here is Valdez, and understandably so, I haven't seen Antonio bashing. 

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On the topic of Voight, according to Wikipedia, he was undercover as a dirty cop as revealed in early episodes of Chicago Fire. (I wasn't watching CF then, so I am relying on Wikipedia.) I think there is some intentional ambiguity about Voight's character as portrayed on Chicago PD. 

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Okay, everyone. Time to calm down and move on. Some characters are loved and some are hated, and some are there. Accept everyone has a preference and keep the debating to the episode at hand.

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6 hours ago, KDB said:

On the topic of Voight, according to Wikipedia, he was undercover as a dirty cop as revealed in early episodes of Chicago Fire. (I wasn't watching CF then, so I am relying on Wikipedia.) I think there is some intentional ambiguity about Voight's character as portrayed on Chicago PD. 

Yeah I have never been a CF regular watcher and so I don't know the whole story about Voight early on, but I do know he basically put out a hit on a fireman to cover up his son's DUI and I don't think that was undercover, and he was arrested for it and locked up for a while. And while they changed him a little I think to make him more sympathetic, he's still been shown to break the law when it suits him. The point being, a cop who was arrested for putting a hit out on a fireman would never be given his own squad and free reign to break the rules, which takes away from the realism that an L&O type show should have. Not directly relevant to this episode but that's where the conversation went.

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On 3/27/2017 at 4:57 PM, MakeMeLaugh said:

 

Valdez can leave any time now. Her character has such little weight that the show loses its bearings imo whenever she is in a scene. Like someone let a tween sit at the big table in court, or something.

With this hybrid Law And Order classic with some L&O Trial by Jury elements format Valdez really isn't needed as young Stone is doing the jobs of the detective squad Lieutenant and the arraignment through the initial secondary investigation that came after the twist that  junior ADA's from Law & Order did. And she is doing nothing that the rotating door of juniors did to either push or hold back Jack McCoy, whichever  the traits of the specific junior and the plot required.

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10 hours ago, Raja said:

And she is doing nothing that the rotating door of juniors did to either push or hold back Jack McCoy, whichever  the traits of the specific junior and the plot required.

Waiting for the writers to show if Stone Jr picked up any bad HR habits from Uncle Jack....then the revolving door of smoking hot assistants will be unleashed.

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On 2017-03-28 at 11:49 PM, Tetraneutron said:

People say that, but if you watch the early (good) episodes, they actually go into detail about the characters' personal lives.

The idea isn't that the characters didn't have personal lives, or back stories. They did, and their backgrounds were fully imagined, and (mostly) consistently treated. But those personal weren't the focus of the plot, and they weren't -- again, for the most part -- handled in a way that maximized emotional impact. We felt we knew the characters, that they were real people, with lives outside the office, but their outside-the-office lives happened offscreen.

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I think that this show has a lot of potential. It isn't perfect, but I can see the glimmer of what could become a very good show. I think it needs some time to work out the kinks. It's still very early and from my experience, shows often need a full season, or even more to really get rolling. 

Does anyone know what it means in terms of ratings for this Chicago Justice to be on Sundays? Are Sundays a tougher night for ratings compared to a Wed. or Thursday night? The ratings so far seem low, yet it seems to be leading on Sunday nights in its time slot. I'm just wondering if ratings would improve if it aired on another night. 

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I'm not sure how the ratings are now but they need to move it from Sunday's if it gets renewed because the ratings will dip in some places. 

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1 hour ago, Waterston Fan said:

I'm not sure how the ratings are now but they need to move it from Sunday's if it gets renewed because the ratings will dip in some places. 

They already left it to start three quarters into the season, after sweeps, and they're burning off two episodes a week. Somehow I don't think they have high hopes for this one. 

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Ok this might be a dumb question (i live in a place with universal health care) but why would the dead, dirty, cop have medical bills racking up? If he was an active duty Chicago cop, wouldn't he have awesome medical insurance?

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Medical insurance in this country rarely covers everything--there are still co-pays and minimums required for out-of-pocket and limits of coverage.  Municipal coverage, such as that for police officers, is also constantly being cut into, with more payments required to get coverage and less covered with every new contract.  Additionally, there are a number of things that can disqualify you for insurance all together, so that even if you have good insurance, you still aren't covered.

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