S07.E21: Ua maloʻo ka wai (The Water is Dried Up) 2017.04.07

It must not be too certain since they appear in the next episode...

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"McGarrett and Five-0"?  Why not just list their names?  There would only be three more, since Grover is in Chicago.

 

I wish writers would stop with the "Oh no, will they die?" storylines about the main character(s) in a show.  Sure you occasionally have a Rosalind-Shays-down-the-elevator-shaft moment, but those are extremely rare.  And that was well before the Internet.  We all know they won't die, so the tension simply isn't there.  Especially if their name is mentioned in the synopsis for a future episode.

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Somebody back me up. Did you also see a HPD helicopter gunship with rocket launchers when Duke lead the squadron to the beach? Obviously the Yakuza don't surf.

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How many weeks has it been since Kono and Chin have been kidnapped? They must have been due.

I actually liked the opening scene. I found Danny adorable with wanting to use all of the doctor stuff and looking into Steve's ear. Then when the doc said he should START getting back to some light exercise, and Danny asked him about hand-to-hand combat, it did make me laugh. 

Grover...oy. Sexism, thy name is Hawaii Five-0. Telling his son to treat his girlfriend like dirt, so she'll be more interested? I wanted to punch his smug face so hard. I kept waiting for that piece of advice to backfire. I kept thinking...if Grace responds to this, then I will be PISSED OFF. Romantic advice? Yeah, things might have changed since the seventies, Grover, when it was the height of macho for a man to act like an ass to keep a woman interested.

Sexism #2: Telling his son him wanting to be a chef will "pass." I was glad he didn't shut off the TV when his dad came back and that Grover didn't put him down for watching the cooking show.

Great job supporting your son and his choices, Grover! What a role model he's being for his son.

By the time he makes his heartfelt speech, I'm just rolling my eyes. The emotional beats would have hit harder if he wasn't giving his son horrible misogynist advice beforehand. 

All I can think of is that they had better catch Shioma, because I can't take another Gabriel. The cockroach criminals are annoying as hell.

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8 hours ago, Raja said:

Somebody back me up. Did you also see a HPD helicopter gunship with rocket launchers when Duke lead the squadron to the beach? Obviously the Yakuza don't surf.

Yes I saw that too! Also, when Steve flew the helicopter in, they spotted the significance of the boat where there shouldn't be a boat but nobody mentioned the people down there on the beach too.

On a side note - I'm really fascinated to know how the writers come to divvy up the lines amongst the actors. It seemed to me that Chi McBride had more lines in that one episode than any other actor ever has. Or does it just seem like that because he has the skills to make the most of them and they make an impression?  I do think he delivers every time - comedy or angst, he's great (the young actor playing his son was also good IMO),  but it seems he gets far and away more opportunities like that. Is it because he is just not convincing for the action story lines (always struck me as odd that he is part of an elite action team - it was odd when he was head of SWAT too, come to that) so gets more of the speech stuff, whereas the others are all about the action and 'get your shirt off for the audience and blow stuff up' (and in the case of poor Scott Caan...'just whine and nag and make yourself come across as a complete idiot' ...I mean, everyone knows what 'clicks' are writers, puleease!). Honestly, I'm interested in others' thoughts on this. :)

Thought the visit to the doctor was fun and the comedy in it seemed ad-libbed in parts which is always nice. The whole 'captured on an island' threat was stupid and predictable. And, I'm sorry, I'm still just not a fan of Jerry.  

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Why did Lou bring his son to Chicago if the kid was going to spend most of his time in the hotel room?  And under armed guard, no less.  

Lou must have known that there was an element of danger to his testifying -- or at the very minimum, he must have heard that his former cop friends had turned their backs on him for turning in the bad officer.

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9 minutes ago, buckboard said:

Why did Lou bring his son to Chicago if the kid was going to spend most of his time in the hotel room?  And under armed guard, no less.  

Lou must have known that there was an element of danger to his testifying -- or at the very minimum, he must have heard that his former cop friends had turned their backs on him for turning in the bad officer.

Well they played it as is Captain Grover thought all cops are good until proven bad and you treat each other that way and was truly shocked at getting silenced for going to the Rat Squad, to use TV NYPD slang. Especially since it was a secondary case of skimming evidence money, if memory serves, and not the murder of his wife that Captain Grover suspects his ex partner of. So the Chicago PD wouldn't have a hostile cop providing escort while he visited his former home town  because Captain Grover and his son went there thinking that he was a hero

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33 minutes ago, buckboard said:

 

Why did Lou bring his son to Chicago if the kid was going to spend most of his time in the hotel room?  And under armed guard, no less.  

Lou must have known that there was an element of danger to his testifying -- or at the very minimum, he must have heard that his former cop friends had turned their backs on him for turning in the bad

 

 

Grover also planned to take his son to all the places that he used to go to -- it was going to be a fun boys weekend. My husband has done that with my son (without the police escort of course) before. My husband would have my son hang out in the hotel while he finished his business meeting or call and then the afternoons and evening would be fun time. 

I felt bad for Grover -- Chi McBride must be a good actor because I have hated this entire Chicago storyline from the beginning. While I agree that he was right on the merits, I have always felt Grover was a bit self-righteous about the whole thing -- especially when he broke into his ex-partner's house. However, last night I felt sorry for him as he realized that all of his friends had turned on him for testifying. That must be difficult to face.

Young Will is a good actor as well.

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Well no matter how atrocious the writing, Chi McBride somehow makes it work. I also felt sorry for him during his little break-down in the bathroom. That episode had an exceptionally high death-toll. Apart from plenty of Yakuza dying due to bullets I think I saw two snapped necks courtesy of Messr. McGarrett and Kelly. And since I like Jerry the bagde scene made me go 'aww'.

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I'll assume this was an IMDB goof, but...they do not list Michelle Krusiec in the credits for playing Michelle Shioma, but they do list an actress named Adelle Heather Taylor who was playing the part of "Rebecca". Did I blink and miss Rebecca's screen time? I realize it could have been all deleted scenes, although they did give a credit to a stunt person who was standing in for Rebecca so you figure it was a major part in the show. What's going on? Anyway, I never thought Shioma was much of a villain, you wonder if they will introduce a new replacement carryover villain by the season finale May 12? Speaking of the finale, any guesses what's in store?

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23 hours ago, Raja said:

Somebody back me up. Did you also see a HPD helicopter gunship with rocket launchers when Duke lead the squadron to the beach? Obviously the Yakuza don't surf.

Yes there was a prominent shot of a rocket pod on one of the HPD helicopters. I thought they were going to blow Shioma's boat out of the water.

22 hours ago, SweetTooth said:

Grover...oy.

Speaking of which, Grover's line about his son's Bar Mitzvah caught me off guard. I assume he meant it in the sense of coming of age rather than to indicate that the Grover family is Jewish.

9 hours ago, MissLucas said:

I also felt sorry for him during his little break-down in the bathroom. That episode had an exceptionally high death-toll. Apart from plenty of Yakuza dying due to bullets I think I saw two snapped necks courtesy of Messr. McGarrett and Kelly. And since I like Jerry the bagde scene made me go 'aww'.

Grover's tears were a nice touch. Yes he hates his old partner and yes he can be sure he did the right thing but I bet it still hurts like hell and it's nice to see the show acknowledge that.

I also noticed the unusually high body count. About half a dozen dead sailors (and did they invent a pseudo-coast guard or is that organization a real thing?), bodies hanging in the jungle, gangsters getting gunned down by the chopper gunner from Call of Duty. Gangsters getting their necks snapped! I appreciated the swerve at the beginning though... usually the couple would be the victims.

I have thought Jerry deserved that badge for a long time. However, I find myself wondering if he's actually going to have to go through some police officer training now. While I'm sure there's some comedic potential there I hope they treat it more like how Denzel Washington was encouraging his security guard buddy in The Equalizer.

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1 minute ago, dwmarch said:

Speaking of which, Grover's line about his son's Bar Mitzvah caught me off guard. I assume he meant it in the sense of coming of age rather than to indicate that the Grover family is Jewish.

I second both the catching off-guard and the assumption that he'd just turned thirteen and not that their family is Jewish. 

Though I do give Grover grief for his misogyny, I can say that he did a tremendous job being devastated by being shunned by the very men he devoted his life to and probably put his life on the line for. I do think he got through to the young cop, though. I was also glad he stationed the guy outside his son's room, as I was just thinking the son needed more protection than Grover. 

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I kind of half watched this one while cooking, but I enjoyed a lot of the Chicago stuff. I think Lou had to deal with some of the backlash he doesn't have to face being a part of Five-0. He doesn't get the benefit of being right all the time just beca use of his badge while in Chicago. It was a reality check for him. It'll be interesting to see if that affects him going forward.

The Yakuza stuff was pure eyeroll though. They had zero reason to keep the team alive from the beginning, not to mention when Steve attacked them

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Somebody back me up. Did you also see a HPD helicopter gunship with rocket launchers when Duke lead the squadron to the beach?

I didn't pay attention to the armament on the helicopters, but I was really amazed at the huge number of close, highly trusted,
"friends" Duke can call upon at a moment's notice without notifying the entire HPD.

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5-0 better hope Duke never turns on them.

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Really think Duke would not. He is the only H.P.D. cop loyal to 5-0. No way no how.

As really the show made it out like all cops in Chicago were corrupt. And really Lou trying to go from right from wrong. Really needed to kind of pay up over what happened when he was last in Chicago before this episode. As he did stuff a la McGarrett style.

Will I think should be allow to text Grace every once in awhile. 

But they really underused Michelle as a villain.  And that only she showed a little emotion about her daughters. 

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1 hour ago, Passepartout said:

Really think Duke would not. He is the only H.P.D. cop loyal to 5-0. No way no how.

As really the show made it out like all cops in Chicago were corrupt. And really Lou trying to go from right from wrong. Really needed to kind of pay up over what happened when he was last in Chicago before this episode. As he did stuff a la McGarrett style.

Will I think should be allow to text Grace every once in awhile. 

But they really underused Michelle as a villain.  And that only she showed a little emotion about her daughters. 

I don't think they made Chicago cops out as corrupt, more like the general cops don't go to IAB "rat squad" that everybody but the show's star adheres to since Serpico

Maybe they heard the oh not again message from fan sites when Michelle  was introduced as the next super villain upon the death of Gabriel 

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On April 8, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Roselle said:

Thought the visit to the doctor was fun and the comedy in it seemed ad-libbed in parts which is always nice.

I thought the same, especially the part with the accents! Very fun.

20 hours ago, GustheCat said:

I'll assume this was an IMDB goof, but...they do not list Michelle Krusiec in the credits for playing Michelle Shioma

I don't know about IMDB, but Krusiec was listed in the opening guest credits. So obviously she wasn't dead, show. ;)

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On 4/8/2017 at 9:43 PM, dwmarch said:

Speaking of which, Grover's line about his son's Bar Mitzvah caught me off guard. I assume he meant it in the sense of coming of age rather than to indicate that the Grover family is Jewish

I thought this might be a police phrase for first time under fire (trial by fire or some such), as I've read many books where a mentor in the force is referred to as a rabbi. They were talking about when they'd been under attack in the jungle.

I like Jerry, and I was moved by the badge scene. And then I thought - hey, are they going to move him up from the basement too? Maybe that's reserved for the next time he saves their lives.

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I think Jerry might actually like the basement--that's where he lived at his mom's place, and that's where he can hide from "the man."  Though, technically, now he is "the man."

As a former Chicago cop, one who worked inside and through the system, Lou should have known that his turning in, and then testifying against, his former partner would put him on the outs with the rest of the force.  I think, though, in his head, he felt he was on the side of all that was right and good so therefore that should mean that his fellow cops should just automatically see it his way, and be congratulatory towards him.  Let's face it, Lou's ego is just as big as McGarrett's.  Remember when they used to butt heads back when Lou was head of SWAT at HPD?  So, to be treated like a rat by his Chicago colleagues and given the big dust-off, that was really and truly a hard let-down for Lou.  And Chi McBride sold it perfectly. 

Somewhere, in the Chicago PD and prosecutor's office, there still must be some good people, because that officer got assigned to Lou for protection.  If the whole place was corrupt, Lou and Will would have been left to swing in the wind.  Which...it made no sense to me why Lou should have gotten so angry and snippy at the cop assigned to protect him and his son.  I mean, yeah, it sucks that such a protection detail was necessary, but Lou's misplaced anger just seemed so unnecessary.   If anything, he should have blown up at the cop in the bar, Will's Little League coach, or the bar owner for siding with the wife-killing thief.  But no, Lou just meekly went on his way so he could later yell at the cop providing protection to him and his son.

The young actor playing Will is really quite good, and very handsome.  I hope he has a fantastic future career once this show is over.

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6 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I thought this might be a police phrase for first time under fire (trial by fire or some such), as I've read many books where a mentor in the force is referred to as a rabbi. They were talking about when they'd been under attack in the jungle.

I checked the episode script for 6X19 and there's no mention at all of a Bar Mitzvah and I haven't seen any other indication that the Grovers are Jewish so far. It's of course possible that the writers decided that they are for a future plot and so threw that in here as groundwork. But I might be overstretching this show's dedication to continuity here.

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6 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

Which...it made no sense to me why Lou should have gotten so angry and snippy at the cop assigned to protect him and his son.  I mean, yeah, it sucks that such a protection detail was necessary, but Lou's misplaced anger just seemed so unnecessary.   If anything, he should have blown up at the cop in the bar, Will's Little League coach, or the bar owner for siding with the wife-killing thief.  But no, Lou just meekly went on his way so he could later yell at the cop providing protection to him and his son.

To be fair Lou kept it fairly polite that he wasn't keen on a protective detail but then baby cop made it clear that he had not a particularly high opinion of Lou. Which was disrespectful and unprofessional - he had it coming from then onward.

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Yeah, that's true.  I also think there was an element of Lou being frustrated that the old corrupt way of thinking and cop culture was continuing to get passed on to the younger generation at play here as well. 

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48 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

I think Jerry might actually like the basement--that's where he lived at his mom's place, and that's where he can hide from "the man."  Though, technically, now he is "the man."

If so, he complains about it a lot. But I do think it suits him (the basement).

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6 hours ago, MissLucas said:

I checked the episode script for 6X19 and there's no mention at all of a Bar Mitzvah and I haven't seen any other indication that the Grovers are Jewish so far. It's of course possible that the writers decided that they are for a future plot and so threw that in here as groundwork. But I might be overstretching this show's dedication to continuity here.

Well they suddenly (pretty suddenly, anyway) decided, out of the blue in (I think) S4 or maybe S5, that Danny was claustrophobic in an ep--which he hadn't shown any signs of being, like, since the beginning of the show/the character's introduction in S1 (though you'd think he would've shown it from the beginning if he were) & they just used that character trait again a week or 2 ago, when he had to slide down the hotel laundry chute after 1 of the kidnappers of the rich guy's wife & mistress & he didn't want to but did because he had to. So they're keeping to continuity with that (I actually think they're pretty good with that). But it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like make the Grover family Jewish (hey, the late Sammy Davis, Jr. was both African-American & Jewish, so it's possible), introduce the fact now & do more with it later. But I'm probably overplaying that again & Grover was just using the Bar Mitzvah reference to indicate Will's age, as I think someone else said.

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On 4/8/2017 at 1:53 AM, SweetTooth said:

Sexism #2: Telling his son him wanting to be a chef will "pass." I was glad he didn't shut off the TV when his dad came back and that Grover didn't put him down for watching the cooking show.

 

Was it sexist? I would say classist at worst in that Grover wants his son to have a high class professional job, not a service industry job which he thinks isn't as important.

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14 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Was it sexist? I would say classist at worst in that Grover wants his son to have a high class professional job, not a service industry job which he thinks isn't as important.

The son clearly said "chef" and was watching cooking shows. I don't think Gordon Ramsey would say he was in a service industry job. The son didn't say he wanted to flip burgers at McDonald's.

Good chefs are paid a lot of money and are well-respected. 

Grover is just too hellbent on his son becoming a doctor to respect his wishes regarding what he really wants. Grover is a good dad on the whole, but tossing off his child's dreams as something that will "pass" can be quite damaging.

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Which...it made no sense to me why Lou should have gotten so angry and snippy at the cop assigned to protect him and his son.  I mean, yeah, it sucks that such a protection detail was necessary, but Lou's misplaced anger just seemed so unnecessary.   If anything, he should have blown up at the cop in the bar, Will's Little League coach, or the bar owner for siding with the wife-killing thief.  But no, Lou just meekly went on his way so he could later yell at the cop providing protection to him and his son.

From the start, that cop had a total snot-nosed attitude. I fault Grover for a lot in this episode, but not for setting that young cop straight.

The young cop made it clear from the start that he was not on Grover's side and was not happy to be assigned to protect him. He was rude and disrespectful, and Grover rightfully laid him out for it.

By the end, the officer seemed to have newfound respect for Grover after he found out all of the facts and not just what the other cops were telling him. 

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12 hours ago, SweetTooth said:

The young cop made it clear from the start that he was not on Grover's side and was not happy to be assigned to protect him. He was rude and disrespectful, and Grover rightfully laid him out for it.

By the end, the officer seemed to have newfound respect for Grover after he found out all of the facts and not just what the other cops were telling him.

I was under the impression that, during the beginning of the episode, the young Barack Obama-looking cop on protection detail was actually sent by his Captain to stop Grover from doing something out of the ordinary while visiting Chicago.  I suppose it could be interpreted either way.

Nice ending for Jerry.  I'm glad he finally received the recognition he deserved.

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Yeah as really hope that the young cop got that over on from Grover. And know in the end, Grover was right. And that the young cop could live and learn by experience from Grover.

BTW, Steve has the biggest ego and arrogance than Grover could have. Grover mellowed a bit but not Steve.

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49 minutes ago, Passepartout said:

BTW, Steve has the biggest ego and arrogance than Grover could have. Grover mellowed a bit but not Steve.

"Boy, I wish I was half as good as you think you are." My favorite Grover-quote ever said to Steve back in the old days of S4 when they were not friends yer.

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2 hours ago, MissLucas said:

"Boy, I wish I was half as good as you think you are." My favorite Grover-quote ever said to Steve back in the old days of S4 when they were not friends yer.

If you think I am not a Steve fan, it is more of a love-hate relationship with him. As really his needing to be in control gets way too old. Like driving Danny's car. As really Danny needs to man up and take it back from him. People love that about Steve being in control. And at times think it is funny and it is their thing true. Not me when it comes to playing god in people's lives. Like Steve does Danny.

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On 4/11/2017 at 11:27 AM, SweetTooth said:

From the start, that cop had a total snot-nosed attitude. I fault Grover for a lot in this episode, but not for setting that young cop straight.

That was a great monologue. McBride can actually act and do stuff. The show underuses him. 

Wow the B-plot was fairly thin. 

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On 4/12/2017 at 0:11 AM, Utpe said:

Nice ending for Jerry.  I'm glad he finally received the recognition he deserved.

For this though? He called Duke and pinged Steve et al.'s location. I mean, he's already *hacked a drone* that was going to drop bombs on innocent people.

You know what? Those cops are bags. Easy to be all high and mighty "cop code" from a distance. Let's see how CODE you are when some crazy people are hunting your family through the jungle and your own wife has to kill someone in front of your children. 

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Ok, Jerry got his badge and I was a little sniffly.  Awwww. 

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On 4/9/2017 at 4:43 PM, Passepartout said:

But they really underused Michelle as a villain.  And that only she showed a little emotion about her daughters. 

What's McGarret going to do to Michelle's daughter if she makes a deal?  I liked that for once, someone, especially a small woman, wasn't intimidated by him.

 

On 4/10/2017 at 4:03 PM, MissLucas said:

To be fair Lou kept it fairly polite that he wasn't keen on a protective detail but then baby cop made it clear that he had not a particularly high opinion of Lou. Which was disrespectful and unprofessional - he had it coming from then onward.

I hate Grover; I think he had zero hard evidence that his partner killed his wife, but he's had a hard-on for anyone who takes the partner's side -- he's even willing to torture in his quest for "justice". 

The cop didn't owe him squat, didn't even need to call him Captain.  And the first time Grover, who is a civilian in Chicago, mouthed off to him, he should have been run into the station.  At no point, does he get to give any cop orders.  No wonder the rest of Chicago PD hates him -- not because he ratted, but because he thinks he can 5-0 anywhere he wants.

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9 hours ago, jhlipton said:

What's McGarret going to do to Michelle's daughter if she makes a deal?  I liked that for once, someone, especially a small woman, wasn't intimidated by him.

 

I hate Grover; I think he had zero hard evidence that his partner killed his wife, but he's had a hard-on for anyone who takes the partner's side -- he's even willing to torture in his quest for "justice". 

The cop didn't owe him squat, didn't even need to call him Captain.  And the first time Grover, who is a civilian in Chicago, mouthed off to him, he should have been run into the station.  At no point, does he get to give any cop orders.  No wonder the rest of Chicago PD hates him -- not because he ratted, but because he thinks he can 5-0 anywhere he wants.

You respect the rank not the person, that HPD made Lou Grover a Captain makes his honorific Captain no matter what security forces he visits worldwide.

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14 hours ago, Raja said:

You respect the rank not the person, that HPD made Lou Grover a Captain makes his honorific Captain no matter what security forces he visits worldwide.

He may have the title but he has no rank in the Chicago PD (other than the fact that 5-0 o0utranks everyone everywhere).

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6 hours ago, jhlipton said:

He may have the title but he has no rank in the Chicago PD (other than the fact that 5-0 o0utranks everyone everywhere).

Also wasn't Grover fired from the HPD? To me if that happens you lose the benefit of being called that title. Sure he still works for 5-0 but there is no real rank structure (other than Steve is the boss).  When steve hired him he could have just as easily said he was Brigadier General Grover for what little ranks mean in their group.

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1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Also wasn't Grover fired from the HPD? To me if that happens you lose the benefit of being called that title. Sure he still works for 5-0 but there is no real rank structure (other than Steve is the boss).  When steve hired him he could have just as easily said he was Brigadier General Grover for what little ranks mean in their group.

General MacArthur was fired by President Truman, and President Nixon resigned his office. Honorifics are generally not stripped from the holder. Brevet General George Custer remained "General" even though he died as a Lieutenant Colonel

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