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Flipping Out In The Media

From the ^link, Andy:  

“Just so you know, if it doesn’t get picked up after this season by Bravo, he had a meeting at Netflix yesterday — he’s desperately trying to get this show on Netflix,” Cohen claimed. “It’ll wind up on Netflix. You’re going to get Flipping Out. The show’s going to get picked up. If it’s not on Bravo, then it’ll be somewhere … It’ll be a similar show. It’ll be a littler inferior if it’s somewhere else, but it’s okay.”  

They can both say anything they wish about it, but to me, it looks like each of them has adopted a scorched earth style, while attempting to gaslight each other.

I don't expect to see JL on Bravo in the future.

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I dont know where to post this so I will on this thread:

 

Did the next episode not air this week ? Isn't Tuesday the regular night? I looked for it in the schedule for this week and couldn't find on any night even if it was moved..

 

If so, this smells weird to me. Has Bravo pulled it? This week's episode was supposed to be the blowup between Jenni and Jeff I think. 

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I think Bravo just pre-empted it, because they are airing the show that took Flipping Out's place all week in that time slot. I do not know what the show is called, but I think it is only four or five episodes. 

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29 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

I think Bravo just pre-empted it, because they are airing the show that took Flipping Out's place all week in that time slot. I do not know what the show is called, but I think it is only four or five episodes. 

Welcome To Waverly.  It was pretty entertaining.  Seems to be about a group of young, urban folks going to Waverly, KS, to live/work for a few weeks.  See how the "other half" lives sort of thing.

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Tomorrow is Monroe's birthday! October 25th. We share the same day but I am just a titch older than that cutie pie.

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33 minutes ago, raiderred1 said:

Tomorrow is Monroe's birthday! October 25th. We share the same day but I am just a titch older than that cutie pie.

Happy birthday!

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7 hours ago, raiderred1 said:

Tomorrow is Monroe's birthday! October 25th. We share the same day but I am just a titch older than that cutie pie.

Happy Birthday. I hope that you get as spoiled and fussed over as Monroe is on your special day. 

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25 minutes ago, shoovenbooty said:

Release form signed by the surrogate deemed "unconscionable" by judge; case going to trial. Side note: I didn't know Gage's last name was Fredenburg!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/thr-esq/bravo-cant-force-arbitration-surrogate-childbirth-was-shown-flipping-1154481

I read in the AGN Blinds that the production company and network are ready to sign some big checks to settle this. Jeff is the one who wants to fight. You know he always has to be right, have the last word, be the one in charge...ad nauseaum. 

I think that Jeff was vile making that snickering comment about her shaving. If she didn’t consent to having the birth filmed (being disputed in court in 2019) that is pretty low for them to have filmed her anyway. When giving birth you don’t always have the presence of mind to scrutinize your surroundings for hidden cameras. 

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7 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Happy Birthday. I hope that you get as spoiled and fussed over as Monroe is on your special day. 

Aww, thank you so much MT.  I did get spoiled with a nice Italian lunch from my DH.  I'm sure Monroe gets much more than that. ;)

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Just now, raiderred1 said:

Aww, thank you so much MT.  I did get spoiled with a nice Italian lunch from my DH.  I'm sure Monroe gets much more than that. ;)

I’m very happy for you, especially because I bet it was less drama filled than a birthday party (or dinner) for Monroe. Wishing you many more. 😊

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Who signs a legal document (esp. relating to your appearance on a major TV show) without bringing it to an attorney?  If Jeff & Gage can prove that she agreed to verbiage relating to the filming of Monroe's birth, then it's her own fault.

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12 hours ago, MsTree said:

Who signs a legal document (esp. relating to your appearance on a major TV show) without bringing it to an attorney?  If Jeff & Gage can prove that she agreed to verbiage relating to the filming of Monroe's birth, then it's her own fault.

I annoy people because when they want me to sign something I take the time to read the whole thing. Even if a lawyer tells me something is OK to sign I still insist on a full read. They try to make me feel badly for wasting their time but I don’t care. She should have had legal advice before signing up for the surrogacy and understood exactly what she was getting into. I’m hoping that Jeff didn’t bully her into signing. I also wonder if she was somewhat star struck and didn’t exactly care because she was doing it for someone a bit famous. I think she would also have had to sign over the rights to be filmed and the contract didn’t specifically say when or where. 

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I got the impression that she agreed to the cameras with the understanding that the footage would be for personal use only. In other words, someone wanted video of the birth, which is not uncommon.

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On 10/25/2018 at 8:40 AM, Mindthinkr said:

I read in the AGN Blinds that the production company and network are ready to sign some big checks to settle this. Jeff is the one who wants to fight. You know he always has to be right, have the last word, be the one in charge...ad nauseaum. 

I think that Jeff was vile making that snickering comment about her shaving. If she didn’t consent to having the birth filmed (being disputed in court in 2019) that is pretty low for them to have filmed her anyway. When giving birth you don’t always have the presence of mind to scrutinize your surroundings for hidden cameras. 

Jeff's desire to fight this is reason enough for Bravo to dump his show. No network or production company that has anything to do with reality tv wants an actual judicial ruling that upends the entire way they do business.

Viacom and Bunim Murray settled with Tonya Cooley when it looked like a judge was going to rule that she was effectively an employee of MTV and Bunim Murray controlled every aspect of her life while she was shooting The Challenge. And as her employers, they had a duty to make sure her workplace was safe, which they failed to do when Kenny and Evan raped her on camera while she was passed out from drinking too much. I distinctly recall reading something from the judge that seemed to be leading to invalidating massive parts of her contract, including the clauses that state that reality tv participants are independent contractors. Viacom had more than enough money to fight it forever, but invalidating the independent contractor clause would have destroyed the industry.

I really suspect that she refused to have the production cameras film the birth, but agreed to let Gage and Jeff film it assuming that it was for personal use. Little did she know that Jeff and Gage would just turn the footage over to their producers. You can kind of tell that's what was going on because we've seen more and more cell phone footage popping up on all of the Bravo shows because the producers know that a lot of the casts wait until the cameras go dark to start wilding out. 

On 10/26/2018 at 1:41 AM, MsTree said:

Who signs a legal document (esp. relating to your appearance on a major TV show) without bringing it to an attorney?  If Jeff & Gage can prove that she agreed to verbiage relating to the filming of Monroe's birth, then it's her own fault.

Those end user agreements and disclosures that appear whenever you download new software, apps, or operating systems are legal agreements. They are binding and enforceable. So the answer to who signs legal documents without reading them or having an attorney present is billions of people, who each have done it hundreds or thousands of times.

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Jeff always has to be right - even when it's to his advantage to take a settlement.  Has he ever completed a flip in his entire career?

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You're right.  The terrible thing is that he did this to the person who literally bore his child.  He should have bent over backwards to not do anything to hurt her.  Think they'll find another surrogate?  Ever?

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20 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I really suspect that she refused to have the production cameras film the birth, but agreed to let Gage and Jeff film it assuming that it was for personal use. Little did she know that Jeff and Gage would just turn the footage over to their producers.

I suspect you are correct. And if that's the case, can he then turn around and claim that it's his personal footage; so therefore he/they didn't violate any contractual clause?

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On 11/1/2018 at 12:19 AM, MsTree said:

I suspect you are correct. And if that's the case, can he then turn around and claim that it's his personal footage; so therefore he/they didn't violate any contractual clause?

Unless she specifically spelled out what use was and wasn't allowable, then he was possibly free to turn the footage over. This really is going to come down to the contract language and some intent, but mostly the language. However, the judge ruling about the unconscionability is a really big deal. It means that the court could invalidate some, part, or all of the contract and set up its own new equitable agreement between the parties.

If I were Bravo and the production company, I would make copyright claims on YouTube and Daily Motion to pull the footage, re-edit the episode on Hulu, iTunes, Amazon and anywhere else you can purchase the episode, offer her a fairly sizeable settlement, and specifically request to be removed as a defendant. Here's the thing, it's not that Bravo is rescuing a property that's still a major earner, but trying to divest themselves from a  property that's on the decline, but can still eke out some revenue. So Bravo could spend as much as they get in residuals, episode sales, and ad sales during past season reruns and marathons in at least a year and I'd speculate up to five years and spend that amount to extricate themselves from this lawsuit.

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Even if Jeff handed over his personal film, its the producers who choose what footage to use.  It's Bravo that crafted the contract and Bravo that has the lawyers to decide whether they can legally use the footage.  I don't see how Jeff is responsible,

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After Andy and Jeff got into a tiff, maybe he's having her on to make Jeff mad.  Or maybe its her week to go.

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On 11/9/2018 at 2:36 PM, Pattycake2 said:

Even if Jeff handed over his personal film, its the producers who choose what footage to use.  It's Bravo that crafted the contract and Bravo that has the lawyers to decide whether they can legally use the footage.  I don't see how Jeff is responsible,

We don't know what the contract language looks like, so it's premature to say that Jeff isn't responsible. Furthermore if Jeff is not a party to the contract, the first thing his lawyers would do is try to get him dismissed from the lawsuit. It would honestly be malpractice to fail to file that motion. The fact that he hasn't been dismissed from the suit suggests that he's a valid party to the contract.

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Did anyone see Jenni on WWHL?  I raked and cleaned out gutters yesterday, and passed out in the chair at 7, lol.  So yeah, I missed it.

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I saw jenni on andy’s show. They just talked for one minute about Jeff. Jenni said she DID actually work for him in the past and I think she said she didn’t file a claim against him. She was disputing his claims, but was super calm. No emotional outbursts or anything like that. It was very brief. Her last comment was that she wished the best for him and always has. 

On a shallow note, her forehead was SO botoxed. And her outfit was not great. An off the shoulder dress with sleeves that almost looked detachable. 

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Jeff wasn't disputing if Jenni ever worked for him, he's always said she has, for many years, but the past few years she really didn't - she only did for TV purposes.  So Jenni is claiming that Jeff said she never worked for him? 

 

She did a big article in People(?) this week that got Jeff kinda riled up on his radio show.

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I don’t think Jenni is claiming that Jeff is saying she never worked for him. I would have to rewatch to quote exactly what she said. Maybe she said/meant that she actually worked for him while the show was filming (recently). Anyway, she was very composed and didn’t comment much. She ended it on a positive note saying she wanted the best for him.

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So Bravo must have plans for Jenni, or else why have her on WWHL?  They surely don't need to promote FO at this late date, as the season is about over, right? 

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Jenni may not have made official claims of abuse to Bravo but I do believe that she complained about him. Jenni is an Exec a Producer on the show and is responsible for bringing the show to a Bravo and Jeff fully acknowledges Jenni for it. Jenni’s role has been reduced and Jeff refers to everyone on his staff except her so she really has no TV role anymore. I think that Jeff got tired of the pretense and didn’t have a conversation with Jenni about it. Jeff just doesn’t handle things well.

Jeff needs to write the surrogate a check and make the issue go away.

Bravo had Jenni on WWHL as a courtesy since Jeff had appeared earlier this season without her. 

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This probably isn’t the right thread for my comment, but next week’s previews look awful. I hate to see jenni so upset. She is in the car and Jeff (and it appears also Leah Black) are going after her. Jenni is crying and the young assistant guy is hugging her in the backseat. Awful to see anyone treated that way.

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13 hours ago, Pickles said:

I saw jenni on andy’s show. They just talked for one minute about Jeff. Jenni said she DID actually work for him in the past and I think she said she didn’t file a claim against him. She was disputing his claims, but was super calm. No emotional outbursts or anything like that. It was very brief. Her last comment was that she wished the best for him and always has. 

On a shallow note, her forehead was SO botoxed. And her outfit was not great. An off the shoulder dress with sleeves that almost looked detachable. 

Perhaps Jenni was wearing one the gorgeous and wonderful "Infinity" dresses from Leanne of RHoDallas??

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5 hours ago, Sunnykm said:

Perhaps Jenni was wearing one the gorgeous and wonderful "Infinity" dresses from Leanne of RHoDallas??

Lol! I actually thought of that when I saw her in that dress.

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