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S03.E02: His Troubled Thoughts 2016.10.02

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Gibson and Burns are hauled over the coals by the Police Ombudsman and the Policing Executive for their conduct and handling of the case. When Spector's name is released to the press as the arrested suspect in the Belfast Strangler case, his wife and family are forced to deal with the consequences. Katie enraged at the media treatment of him, decides to take matters into her own hands. All the while Nurse Kiera Sheridan and the medical team continue to fight to keep Spector alive. But even if he survives will he ever be fit enough to stand trial?

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Ugh, this show and it's medical/surgical shots.  Gag.  I don't have the stomach for it even though I know it's fake.  So far it's been a little boring, which makes me sad because the first two seasons were so good.  I don't really care about the psycho teenage babysitter or the nurse that seems to be falling for him.  I feel really sorry for Sally and the kids.  What would you do if you were her?

Both nurse Kiera and his attorney's legal secretary are right up his rape and murder alley.  He'll probably try to kill one of them.

I'll continue to watch this show purely out of curiosity to see where they'll take it.  Ending it with Season 2 and the audience not knowing if Spector or his last victim survived would have been frustrating but better than dragging something out with no real direction or plot.

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Any chance Spector is bunging on this amnesia crap to get out of the trial? It would be if this was a L&O: SVU episode.

I couldn't see properly - was that lemon juice Katie sprayed in Daisy's eye? Or alcohol? Either way can she get shoved in detention now? The police saw her at the hospital and presumably she has a curfew. Time to go.

Olivia is going to be one messed up individual. I feel like all the non-arrested Spectors should be in therapy. And I don't even like therapy. Although I did like the headmaster saying she had no idea what to do - it had never happened before. At least they get some things right.

And personally if I were Sally-Ann I couldn't have cared less if Paul got a solicitor or not. And I certainly wouldn't be making a call to get him one. Or asking anyone else to do it.

Considering the ICU Nurse and now Legal Associate - one of them is going to get sucked in like a grown up Katie or will be dead.

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At least the police/Gibson are being bought to account for some of their piss poor decisions. I'm glad to see that because it means my previous shouting at the TV was perfectly reasonable.

Did Katie deliberately set her laptop touchpad to function so that swiping up moves the page down? That was seriously bugging me. At least Sally Ann was using the down arrow to scroll like a normal person.

Thanks to the producers for Katie's thoughtful, languid nose ring scene. Irrelevant, atmospheric moodiness is just what I look for in my crime dramas.

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I was uncertain where on earth this show thought it was going after last season's finale, but so far I'm still pretty hooked (provided that this is the LAST season).

I definitely think Paul is faking his amnesia - and of course, he has his touching reunion with Olivia right in front of an impartial witness - the solicitor is going to lap that up.

The actress playing Katie is going a good job, as I'd love to throttle her character! My predictions are that her relentless support of Paul will be his undoing. It would be hilariously apt if he inadvertently got taken down by a deranged teenager trying desperately to help him. 

(And it was definitely lemon juice she squirted in her friend's eye - you see her buying it at the store). 

Either the nurse or the attorney's aide is going to get attacked - the actresses have clearly been chosen for their similarity to Spector's type (dark-haired professionals). 

My predictions are that this season is going to move from the police investigation to the court drama - though I have queasy feelings about that since the police have a confession, Rose's testimony, and about twenty warehouses worth of evidence. Let's hope it doesn't pull a Broadchurch and get ridiculous. 

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When Stella was being told the investigation was being moved, I was wondering why she was getting so upset - the investigation is over, the police have their man, it's up to the CPS to prosecute*. Yes there will be 10000 forms/reports/case reviews that will have to be submitted (more so given their suspect was shot in custody and somebody died in a police shooting), but the task force has done its job.

As a second episode of Casualty: Belfast, I was briefly wondering if they were going to pull a switch and have Spector die on the table (he could still appear in flashbacks if they wanted to keep the actor). I guess it could still happen (those bullet fragments turned out to be not-quite-so-harmless, or something) and we get to see what happens when a suspect dies in police custody, but I doubt it.

On ‎04‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 5:00 AM, Ravenya003 said:

I definitely think Paul is faking his amnesia - and of course, he has his touching reunion with Olivia right in front of an impartial witness - the solicitor is going to lap that up.

I wondered that too - I don't think so (it would take remarkable presence of mind when recovering from near death to run a lie like that, particularly as we saw it coincided with what he was imagining whilst on the operating table - nor do I think he'd do that to his daughter, who he seems to genuinely love), but I'm open to the possibility.

I would flove it if Katie inadvertently causes Spector's undoing. I spend my time watching wanting to slap some sense into the girl, which I presume is TPTB's intent (at least I'd hope so).

On ‎03‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 7:03 AM, SparedTurkey said:

And personally if I were Sally-Ann I couldn't have cared less if Paul got a solicitor or not. And I certainly wouldn't be making a call to get him one. Or asking anyone else to do it.

Sally Ann doesn't have the same perspective we do: she's HEARD what the police THINK Paul has done, but this is the man she's married to and the father of her child. Sure, Paul "admitted" that he cheated on her (even though THAT was a lie!) but you'd imagine she wants to think the best of him. Though her zombie-like appearance here was entirely believable: her world's going to shit and it's probably only going to get worse.

* At least in England and Wales, I'm not entirely sure about Northern Ireland, but I'm pretty sure the police don't try cases themselves

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34 minutes ago, John Potts said:

When Stella was being told the investigation was being moved, I was wondering why she was getting so upset

I didn't get that either, especially since the new digs looked bright, clean and roomy. But one of the problems of the series for me is her opaque inscrutability, so this was just more of the same.

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I can't recall when Paul was being asked questions whether he got his dates wrong (Dornan looks great, but NOT 26!), but as soon as he described Olivia rather than giving her current age I knew he was up to something. I don't for a minute believe that he has somehow acquired amnesia which covers his murderous years from getting shot in the spleen! I don't know Irish law, and only really know American from TV, but he is going to try to get off scott free, or at least be declared mentally unfit to be charged and/or punished. Unfortunately, that's where the show will lose me, as I have no interest in courtroom shenanigans, especially if they go the route of somehow tying Stella's personal lief to her professional efforts.

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Even if Spector manages to successfully run some sort of reduced mental capacity defence, he'd still be locked up in a secure mental facility (Broadmoor in London would be the most famous one). In fact, while the facilities may be "better", they're a lot harder to get out of than a normal prison (legally, at any rate).

Incidentally, it's Northern Irish law, not Irish Law. These days not quite like confusing North & South Korea, but still legally distinct (and likely to become more so in the light of Brexit).

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Sally Ann doesn't have the same perspective we do: she's HEARD what the police THINK Paul has done, but this is the man she's married to and the father of her child. Sure, Paul "admitted" that he cheated on her (even though THAT was a lie!) but you'd imagine she wants to think the best of him. Though her zombie-like appearance here was entirely believable: her world's going to shit and it's probably only going to get worse.

I get that, I do. But at the same time the lie Paul told was that he was shagging a 15 year old. Which is not only repulsive but also illegal. While it wasn't true, if I were Sally I'd be thinking that if he is choosing THAT as a cover-up lie, then whatever the truth is can only be much worse than that.

Plus, I don't think Sally at all believes he has been wrongly arrested. She may be going as far as to not demonise him to Olivia, but has seemed to have washed her hands of hiim in a way. But yes, her world has gone to shit and it shows. She'd be better off changing names and moving far far away.

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This is sooooooooo slow,  as in almost unwatchable. I love Gillian Anderson which is why I am hanging on but I am not happy about it.

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On 10/7/2016 at 5:29 AM, John Potts said:

When Stella was being told the investigation was being moved, I was wondering why she was getting so upset

I also wondered about this.  I would love to hear if anyone has any theories.

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When a group loses its office space because another group supposedly needs it, it is usually seen by those being moved as a downgrade or a sign that they are on the outs with the big boss and that the other group is considered by the brass as more important. I think Stella saw it that way.

That also happens on an individual level. Most people get pretty upset when they are moved from a window seat in the office to a cubicle in the middle of the room so someone else can have that nice window seat.

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I only could make it about halfway through episode 2.  This is so boring!  I'm out.  

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On 10/7/2016 at 5:29 AM, John Potts said:

When Stella was being told the investigation was being moved, I was wondering why she was getting so upset - the investigation is over, the police have their man, it's up to the CPS to prosecute*. Yes there will be 10000 forms/reports/case reviews that will have to be submitted (more so given their suspect was shot in custody and somebody died in a police shooting), but the task force has done its job.

Totally agree. Seemed like another instance of Stella coming off as a superior pain in the ass. Frankly, I thought the new office looked nicer--much better views.

On 10/8/2016 at 9:52 AM, NorthstarATL said:

I can't recall when Paul was being asked questions whether he got his dates wrong (Dornan looks great, but NOT 26!), but as soon as he described Olivia rather than giving her current age I knew he was up to something. 

Numerous times since he's been brought into the hospital the staff has established that he's 32. But the accident has caused him to "lose" a few years which is why he thought he was 26. His belief that he was in a car accident rather than shot ties in with his "dream" or delusion at the opening of the first episode where he was in a  wreck with the windshield shattering.  I don't think he's faking at all. I suspect this might be an angle used by the show to delve deeper into how Paul started his serial killing. Recall that even though he had tendencies in college, he didn't start acting on them fully until more recently. Perhaps the accident was real and his mind has just reverted back to it.  Either way, I suspect it will be revealed as this season goes along. 

***Questions I had regarding this episode....

1. Are solicitors expensive in N. Ireland? In the US, a high profile attorney like the one Sally-Ann just hired would be quite pricey.  I was rather surprised that she would have that kind of money and use it to help Paul.  

2. Is it normal there as well that the police would only be on guard outside the ICU unit and not be stationed either in his room or just outside that door. I realize he barely made it through surgery but he is accused of serious, violent crimes.   Incidentally, count me in among those that could have done with less puke, blood, and gore in these first two episode. If I wanted that, I'd watch reruns of ER ;-)

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13 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

1. Are solicitors expensive in N. Ireland? In the US, a high profile attorney like the one Sally-Ann just hired would be quite pricey.  I was rather surprised that she would have that kind of money and use it to help Paul.  

2. Is it normal there as well that the police would only be on guard outside the ICU unit and not be stationed either in his room or just outside that door. I realize he barely made it through surgery but he is accused of serious, violent crimes.

OK, First off I'm not a lawyer, nor am I from Northern Ireland (which has some different laws from England), but as I understand it:


1) while solicitors/barristers can get VERY expensive, the lawyers were offering to do the case on Legal Aid ("pro bono" as they'd say in the US) for the publicity it might generate. Given the intense media interest, it might well be worth it as a loss leader.
2) I'm SURE the restrictions on Spector's movements are ridiculously light - Northern Ireland MUST have experience of people who are suspected criminals needing medical treatment and so such things as "soft restraints" should be available (though terrorist activity is considerably lower than at the height of "the Troubles", it's not zero, and they can be used to constrain patients who are being rowdy, too).

I also find it hard to believe that Sally Ann would be getting treated across the way from Spector, nor that the police officer assigned to watch him wouldn't be a no nonsense burly man (the guy who escorted Spector to  the psychiatric unit, perhaps) rather than a female officer, but that would be the commanding officer's call (maybe Stella thinks that Spector will feel humiliated by being watched over by a woman or something).

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I'm sticking with the show, and the developments in it are not completely devoid of interest, but it is a mystery how the same showrunner, cast and crew were able to create compelling television for two whole seasons and now are creating television that moves as slowly as these last two episodes. I'm not bored, exactly, because I'm still paying attention, but I keep looking at my watch and going, "Christ, only 13 minutes have elapsed?!??," and, "OMG, there's still a half hour to go?!??," etc. Which doesn't seem like a good thing.

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On 10/4/2016 at 0:00 AM, Ravenya003 said:

And it was definitely lemon juice she squirted in her friend's eye - you see her buying it at the store

Oh I missed that, I was wondering if it might be something serious that would cause permanent damage, like acid. If it was just lemon juice, the friend should be ok. 

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I'm just watching this now and agree with all of the comments:

-sooo slooow

-GA's weird accent/mannerisms, opacity

Plus the ridiculous: he confessed. This should be slam dunk case. There is a real dissonance with the feeling that the case is in jeopardy or something. 

Also ridiculous:..... we are working for a masculine paramilitary patriarchal culture....I would have started laughing. True or not, that's just a ridiculous thing to say

It is really irritating and kind of creepy watching the interactions with the male cop/boss and Stella. He is supposed to be what, the male oppressor, boss trying to keep her managed or controlled, complete with questioning her relationship with hot cop? See above re: blindingly obvious statement about patriarchal culture. Is his role to act it out? It feels forced, like he is solely there to fit this stereotype and it doesn't really fit the story....she caught Spector and found Rose alive, I don't quite get why there is this reaction like she royally screwed the case and ruined everything, Spector being shot notwithstanding. 

Really tired of Paul overall. 

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