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The 7/30 episode with Chris and Amanda was very troubling. I really got the "user" vibe from Amanda, whose deal seemed more about getting the guy she wanted than conviction that the sect was evil. There was something very devious about her. She wouldn't look the girls in the eye, and her insistence that Chris "for sure" wanted to leave yet she hadn't told him her plans was odd.

When he came along and started spouting all that stuff about how Warren was perfect, I wanted to vomit. I didn't like his angry vibe either.

My guess is they are not really safe in Utah away from the group as someone apparently communicated. If so, why didn't Amanda answer the girls' calls or ever contact them? I think having some unknown person tell them this is suspicious. I feel it was Chris' intention all along to do what was necessary to get her back into the cult and that he was stringing her along with the ranch in Colorado idea. It's scary to think how they may be punishing her.

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13 minutes ago, renatae said:

The 7/30 episode with Chris and Amanda was very troubling. I really got the "user" vibe from Amanda, whose deal seemed more about getting the guy she wanted than conviction that the sect was evil. There was something very devious about her. She wouldn't look the girls in the eye, and her insistence that Chris "for sure" wanted to leave yet she hadn't told him her plans was odd.

The whole episode was odd and so was the girl's reaction to Amanda. I can't remember who was THing toward the end, but she said something about how she hopes they can still make "their" dreams of a life in Colorado come true. It was Amanda's dream, not Chris's! He sat there in the car looking stone cold, spouting that fundy shit. He did every thing he could to shut the girls down, talking over them, snapping at them. And Amanda never said a word. THAT really was telling for me. Never said "Please don't speak that way to them, they are helping me, I asked them here." 

Once the girls find out that someone really doesn't want to leave (or in Chris's case, never did want to leave), they should immediately cut loose and go. They aren't going to change anyone's mind staying and talking. I know they felt guilty bringing Amanda to Chris, but she just used them for the airfare. Plygs are expert grifters and Amanda was just doing what came naturally. They shouldn't feel guilty or try to keep up with her.

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5 hours ago, Galloway Cave said:

They aren't going to change anyone's mind staying and talking. I know they felt guilty bringing Amanda to Chris, but she just used them for the airfare.

Yes, and it was a sad evening to watch all the way around, what with Lori deciding to go back and treating her daughter like she was somehow at fault. :headsmack:

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On 7/26/2018 at 8:28 AM, cajpgh said:

Just watched the episode with Issac finding his mother....it was pretty unsettling to see Issac's inability to truly break out of all the years of oppressive isolation and speak honestly to his mother..but i guess his "flight" away from her was a little hopeful that he wasn't ready to give back in  to the pull of the religious routine of obedience. I was struck by Issac's affect...never sure if he was acting or it was truly him struggling to figure out how to be his own person....i am never sure how "real" any of these shows are.

One question i had throughout ...what happened to his brother who reached out for the help to get him out originally...did he ever meet up with him and wouldn't the brother be interested in seeing his mother again too?

On 7/27/2018 at 3:34 PM, renatae said:

I feel like Isaac definitely felt like his mother's parroting of the gospel according to Warren was going to draw him back in, or at least he felt he didn't have a comeback that he was confident in delivering. They've never shown anyone before getting subjected to that, and I imagine it's very hard to resist the "logic" of something you've had drilled into your mind since you were a toddler. It's too bad, but I hope he will be OK. Maybe he just needs to write her a letter. I'm not good at verbal gymnastics as everything I know departs me when most needed, but I'm great at expressing my convictions on paper.

He did meet up with his brother and lived with him for a time, as I recall, before going out on his own. It would be cool if they both see their mother again and get her out!

I do think Isaac knew his limits on things and his gut told him to get away from her. As sad as it is his mother is so far gone that there is no pulling her away from that and getting her out. Her talking like she was to him with all her quotes and such said it all. I'm glad he got out of there as he did. She wasn't going to understand and how was he going to explain he left to someone with that kind of mindset? Its sad but at least he was able to see her...if even for a short time. As for his brother, maybe his brother has moved on when it comes to their mom. He may not have wanted to be a part of it. Which after seeing that I wouldn't blame him. And Isaac did see his brother when he left. Like Renatae said, he lived with him but he was able to get himself set up now so moved. I am glad Isaac is going to school and doing what he is to move on with his life. He obviously is still adjusting but seems to be doing well thanks to those that have helped him. 

 

On 7/27/2018 at 3:50 PM, renatae said:

This bugs me to death as well. I just don't understand how they get away with keeping the other kids when they have others who have testified to the abuse and the guy is in jail because of it. Probably they have to assume all is OK because he is gone, and someone from inside would have to bring charges. It would be hard to get any of the other members to testify to the abuse. Also, the original girls were granted emancipation, instead of there having been a trial, so their experience is not enough to bring more charges. Upsets me a lot.

With the original girls, I think it was said they were granted it because their parents didn't fight it. Which I can imagine they don't fight it to a certain point if it looks like child services or someone might come looking into their homes a bit more. So its easier to just give up on 1-2 kids then lose them all in their eyes. Either way it still does bug me when there is proof of the abuse. I wish the one had done her escape when she had the marks on her body. How could they turn a blind eye to NOT look into the home if one has marks on their body from a beating? 

16 hours ago, renatae said:

Actual new episode alert! (I think!)

The 7/30 episode with Chris and Amanda was very troubling. I really got the "user" vibe from Amanda, whose deal seemed more about getting the guy she wanted than conviction that the sect was evil. There was something very devious about her. She wouldn't look the girls in the eye, and her insistence that Chris "for sure" wanted to leave yet she hadn't told him her plans was odd.

When he came along and started spouting all that stuff about how Warren was perfect, I wanted to vomit. I didn't like his angry vibe either.

My guess is they are not really safe in Utah away from the group as someone apparently communicated. If so, why didn't Amanda answer the girls' calls or ever contact them? I think having some unknown person tell them this is suspicious. I feel it was Chris' intention all along to do what was necessary to get her back into the cult and that he was stringing her along with the ranch in Colorado idea. It's scary to think how they may be punishing her.

16 hours ago, Galloway Cave said:

The whole episode was odd and so was the girl's reaction to Amanda. I can't remember who was THing toward the end, but she said something about how she hopes they can still make "their" dreams of a life in Colorado come true. It was Amanda's dream, not Chris's! He sat there in the car looking stone cold, spouting that fundy shit. He did every thing he could to shut the girls down, talking over them, snapping at them. And Amanda never said a word. THAT really was telling for me. Never said "Please don't speak that way to them, they are helping me, I asked them here." 

Once the girls find out that someone really doesn't want to leave (or in Chris's case, never did want to leave), they should immediately cut loose and go. They aren't going to change anyone's mind staying and talking. I know they felt guilty bringing Amanda to Chris, but she just used them for the airfare. Plygs are expert grifters and Amanda was just doing what came naturally. They shouldn't feel guilty or try to keep up with her.

Agree with you both. From the get go something didn't feel right about this at all. As things went on it was obvious more and more. Sadly its hard to really weed out these types I am sure. This isn't the first one we have seen like this. The one half sister did it as well because she wanted to marry a certain cousin (if I remember right) and she went to go with the one back to Seattle. It seems that whenever involves these girls wanting to be with the guy they want they use leaving or being out to get their little way about it. Its disturbing and disgusting because these girls are trying to help get others out of this horrible life only to have a few that end up using it to get what they want in the end and go back. I have to wonder how well they are treated after they go back. Can't be to nice I am sure. 

 

With the episodes that are repeating but are coming up new with the season, it was said when the show started that they were doing this because of those that might not have seen it before but many of us are obviously not happy that Lifetime decided to mess with it like this. I can't imagine the girls decided to have the show like this. When this show started it was on Lifetime btw, so I don't know why this is going on and they didn't just do a big marathon of the episodes leading up to it or after it started. Then take and create just a few episodes of updates on those they have helped in the past. It would have been a better way to do it IMO. The mix of old and new in one episode is just not ok when they could be giving us so much more on the new escape instead and how they are doing. 

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1 hour ago, Evil Queen said:

Then take and create just a few episodes of updates on those they have helped in the past.

I wouldn't mind a half hour of a recap of their escape, to refresh our memories of what happened, then a half hour of how they are doing now. Even if they have gone back, show what it is like for them, if they can. Five seconds of the BSOJ just doesn't work for me.

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Her name was Megan. Amanda was one of the girls that was helping. 

 

Anyways, I agree with everyone else that Megan just wanted to be with Chris. She was willing to go back if she could be with him. She definitely wanted a free way up there.  It was so creepy when Chris was spouting off about how perfect Warren Jeffs is and how he just knows Jeffs will get out. 

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15 hours ago, Court said:

Her name was Megan. Amanda was one of the girls that was helping. 

Gah, thanks. I can never remember anyone's name five minutes after the show airs.

It used to creep me out to listen to the various wives in the plyg town I lived in talking about their husband. Their voices would get all silky and soft, and they got that 1000 yard stare that Chris had when he was talking about "Father". Those people are deeply, deeply brainwashed.

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Did anyone else watch last night's episode?  Lorin really surprised me but in a good way.  I think he has a good chance of making it on the outside, and I hope he's able to live his new life in peace.  

I also liked the new security guy.  They all seem to care about the girls and their safety.  I'm wondering if they're former police officers.  Next week is the season finale, and from previews, it looks like a woman could be in danger.

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19 minutes ago, sixlets said:

I'm wondering if they're former police officers.

Yes they are. I agree, it was a good episode. I wonder where he ended up parking his trucks. It had to be close by, rather than across the border in Utah. But the poor guy only has a third grade education. I hope he can get a GED and do well in life.

One thing I have noticed with some of these people who have been on the show or related to the show folks. They tend to stay in the Utah/Arizona area (except for the one girl who rescues and lives in Seattle and Kolleen in Las Vegas). If I were to escape from a religious cult, I would want to move as far away as possible. They know they can't see their family for at least a while. Might as well get established in a place that isn't full of other plygs or Mormons, then go back and help other family out if need be. 

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My guess is culture shock -- since these people are saying goodbye to the only family and way of life they've ever known, a massive regional shift would just add to the paradigm shift and it's just too much for most of them.

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I think Lorin will do well. He's pretty well spoken and he said he was responsible for repairing any thing that needed repair, and he's good with auto mechanics as well. I really had to respect that he went in front of the whole congregation to say he was leaving.

I must be a glutton for punishment for again watching the episode where Julie basically dictates to her mother and everyone else what should happen. I noticed at the end it stated Julie and her family were removed to a different place of "repentance" and then moved from there to another location after that, but it didn't say whether they were in or out of the cult in the latest place. Wonder how Julie feels knowing she is being acted against just like the others and if this new arbitrary justice has her thinking twice about the wisdom of the grand poobahs.

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10 hours ago, renatae said:

I must be a glutton for punishment for again watching the episode where Julie basically dictates to her mother and everyone else what should happen.

Same here and I don't know how Matt and the girls (especially Kolleen) didn't just flat out tell that girl to knock it off. I know she was brainwashed to think the was God's Chosen one and she shits glitter, but once off the compound her mother was the decision maker and in control. That would have helped the mother feel more empowered to control the situation and make a better decision over their future, instead of going back. 

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5 hours ago, Galloway Cave said:

.....and she shits glitter.....

lol  So sparkly!!

Add me to the glutton for punishment list because I also watched again.

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Last night's new episode was proof that Warren Jeffs needs to die an early death in prison. It is just amazing he still has such a grip on the members. MaryAnn's mother and sister were so deeply brainwashed and creepy. To watch the 86 year old grandmother be taken away for some random violation she allegedly did when she was young was horrible. And the sisters wouldn't even say goodbye to MaryAnn when she was standing there. What a horrible cult.

MaryAnn's father reminded me of Hyrum from the Centennial Park show. Probably related.

Warren's brother Lyle was a local leader when Warren went to jail, but then he was sent to jail for the food stamp fraud case. The mayor is an Allred (and the mayor in Hilldale is a non-FLDS woman!). I don't think there is anyone else as charismatic and hypnotizing in the cult that can take over as prophet and be as effective as Warren. Hopefully as more and more kids grow up and realize the religion is bonkers, more will break free of that sing-song voice that prohibits pineapple, potatoes and procreating.

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26 minutes ago, Galloway Cave said:

Last night's new episode was proof that Warren Jeffs needs to die an early death in prison. It is just amazing he still has such a grip on the members. MaryAnn's mother and sister were so deeply brainwashed and creepy. To watch the 86 year old grandmother be taken away for some random violation she allegedly did when she was young was horrible.

 prohibits pineapple, potatoes and procreating.

There is a really special place in hell for Warren Jeffs.  I hope it's extra toasty.  Sending away an old lady?  EXTRA toasty.

I left the 4 Ps alone.  They just seem so odd together.

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See link below, but multiple Kingston leaders (not Daniel from what I saw, but his sons/so the girls' brothers?) have been arrested in connection with Russian mob money laundering. This may tie in with the bank raid we saw a while back. Not sure how it will affect the show - these women have young families. This may be more than they need to publicly be taking on at present, especially if they are cooperating with law enforcement as former insiders.

Which brings me back to that scene where they had everybody in the group listed in charge on the wall, family by family, like cops do with mob families...

https://medium.com/@ninaandtito/a-511m-fuel-tax-credit-fraud-indictment-in-utah-connects-a-polygamous-mormon-cult-to-mike-flynn-402e1f7a0fb5

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