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Season 3 Discussion

I didn't see a season 3 topic already, so I started one.

 

I saw that Amazon had the first episode up for viewing (I'll come back to that), so I watched. It was about the application process which I always find interesting. I'm amazed at some of the portfolios the designers submit, they're really beautiful & expensive looking. They haven't said who the final contestants are yet, but I realized that I don't remember seeing women's clothing, I saw men's clothing, shoes, jewelry, but I don't remember women's clothes. I guess I'll find out next week. Amazon also has a shop that sells things from the contestants lines, so I guess that's why the show moved from Ovation.

 

Back to watching on Amazon. I've never watched any shows on Amazon before, so I just clicked & watched because it said free with ads. After I finished watching the episode, I noticed the promo ad now said "You own Season 3 in HD". I don't know how that happened because I didn't buy anything as far as I know, so it worries me that I now "own" something on Amazon, especially since it was supposed to be free with ads. I emailed them for an explanation, hopefully I just didn't spend money on a show I can get for free.

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Amazon answered & they said I didn't buy anything, so I guess I'm fine. They didn't explain how I now "own" season 3 though. I guess I'll just check next week & see if I can watch episode 2.

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Got it. enjoyed the first episode. But I wonder if it is possible to have the series in a resume watching status instead of having to search for it. Do you know?

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Maybe if you add it to your watchlist? I'm not sure what a watchlist is, so I was afraid to add anything to it just in case it meant something other than just watching it.

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Thanks. I see the watchlist on line but it doesn't show up on the TV. Just thought there was something I was missing. Anyways, my listing says I own the series also even though there is only one episode so far, I think...

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I just watched the 2nd episode, & they've picked the 10 finalists. So far I like Jonathan Simkhai's stuff, the others, I'm not sure about.

 

Just an fyi for anyone who is as confused as I am watching this on Amazon, the way I got to the 2nd episode watch to click on the thing that said episode 1 resume watching. That starts episode 2.

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Are you a Prime member?  It may be that Prime members "own" the season.  It showed up for free for me too.  So far there has been the promo, and the first two episodes.

No, I don't have Prime, I watch the version with commercials.

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Just watched the 3rd episode. Thaddeus O’Neill’s prices are ridiculous, $4400.00 for a cardigan, $265.00 for some board shorts, the judges even thought the prices were ridiculous. Who is his customer? really rich hipsters? Are there enough of them to support a business? I didn't think his clothes were all that great.

 

David Hart’s clothes are ugly, I guess that’s why “to be brutally honest, I have no business” was his answer.

 

The guy from Gypsy Sport does not belong there. He is not ready for this at all, whoever submitted him was wrong to do it. He couldn't even get his clothes there on time because he thought he would just show up on the day. His interview should be interesting, I think it's going to be a lot of blank stares & I think his clothes are awful.

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Gee, this show used to have a lot more commenters, moving to Amazon may not have been the best decision. Anyway, just watched episode 4, & Jonathan Simkhai is still my favorite, but he had a terrible interview. I do not like Chromat, Gypsy Sport or Brother Vellies at all, but the judges seem to love them. I thought previous seasons had better designers.

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I watch tv on a Fire stick so get plenty of Amazon show ads, so I noticed it and tried it out, since my daughter loved Project Runway.  It's odd.  I'm a Prime member but get commercials, and I find that a sub-30 minute show with multiple commercial breaks playing THE SAME FOUR COMMERCIALS each time is annoying.  We binge-watched 3 episodes and I'm pretty sure I would now go out of my way to NOT buy any Lily Pulitzer, Proactive or Sonicare.  Sadly, I do already use #4- Geico.  

 

Jonathan is also the only one whose clothes I like.  My daughter said she'd wear a Chromat swimsuit, until she saw they were $600 or something.  I wish there were more womenswear.  Menswear=dull.  I like the shoe girl but I'd never wear that stuff.  Did any jewelry designers get through?  There are only the two women, right?  Aurora and the Chromat girl?  

 

I don't think they're comparing products directly so much as choosing who has the most deserving potential business, right? 

 

I have a feeling when you take Amazon up on a freebie they consider you "own" it?  I wouldn't worry, they've never charged me for anything wrongly and have even taken returns on shows I bought accidentally.  

It sounds like this is the first season you've seen, the first 2 seasons were on Ovation, & IMO, they were much better. They had jewelry designers, more women's wear, even purses. This season seems overloaded with men's wear & strangeness. Also, annoying commercials.

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This was my first season watching.  Lots of people in the Project Runway threads talked about it, and now that it's available on Amazon, I decided to give it a shot.  I like the concept, but agree that the ads are a pain, as I am also a Prime member and shouldn't have to deal with them.  The designers presenting I'm mixed on. 

Thad

Deus

O'Neil came off to me as a pretentious surfer-douche that's like, so really into the, like, wave culture, bro.....Surfing is the new Golf?  Did he really say that?

Bondage girl has some extreme looks, but I guarantee a few Kardashians are already dialing her up, and her line can go a little more commercial for the general public.  

African shoe girl is a one-way monkey for me, with the limited view.  However, she can grow into a clothing line in the future. 

 

There's just been the 4 episodes so far, is that correct?  Do they put up a new episode every week, to continue the story?

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Seriously, I've never seen an East Coast guy push the surfer-dude caricature so hard and so completely.  At first I thought he was joking about it until we saw the blurb with his wife and kid on their boat.  I honestly never knew East Coast surfing was a thing.    

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I kind of like Baja East (and the two dudes who own it are cute as hell), but they and Thaddeus ONeill are really silly in their pricing. The folks who can afford this aren't going to be wearing it for very long, honestly.

 

I like Brother Vellies as a concept, but the shoes are either total costume pieces or really boring. Those "desert boots" are nothing but chucks. I felt Anna Wintour when she said they were there for fashion, not for good feelings.

 

I like the style and sense of Cadet, and I suspect they're there more to raise brand awareness than anything else. I don't think they want to go into wholesale. Some stores are better left as stores and not as international brands.

 

I like David Hart's stuff, but it's pretty standard. Make suits and then put in some odd patterns or colors. Kind of ho-hum, so I understand why he's struggling.

 

Chromat just looks like student work to me. I didn't appreciate the sniffling that the Rag & Bone dudes were doing at it, though. They seem like incredibly pretentious dicks to me. Vest over t-shirt? You're high fashion, sir, don't let anyone tell you differently.

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Episode #5 just came up on my list.

I didn't even realize there was a list at the bottom of the page until you posted that, I've been stupidly going through all the episodes to get to the latest. Duh.

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I want to go to the Baja East "experience"!  *LOL*   This was a good episode, but I'm going to wait til more people watch it to make additional comments. 

 

I actually like that they aren't eliminating a brand each episode.  With a specific amount of challenges that are scored individually, it allows for the aggregate final "score" to determine a winner.  And that doesn't necessarily dump a brand that may have just had one bad showing, but overall is strong. 

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Anna Wintour really loves that necklace(s), she's been wearing it with everything. It looks like cheap costume jewelry to me.

 

Some of the designers really have no concept of what things cost, do they? 

 

It's her body & she can certainly decorate it any way she wants to, but when they showed high school pictures of the woman from Chromat, I was surprised that she was pretty. Those nasty pointy bangs & colored eyebrows are not doing her any favors.

 

I really like that people aren't eliminated, it's not that kind of competition. They aren't trying to get the winner of individual challenges, they're trying to determine who has the overall best chance of succeeding as a designer based on what skills are required. 

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Thankfully I'd never be able to afford anything by 

Thad

Deus

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Neil

Because there's absolutely nothing he could ever do to redeem himself for me.  Surfers wearing neon pink sequined wet suits?  Seriously?  A guy with a Ukulele?   He just has idiot written all over him.  In Sharpie.  

 

Gypsy boy impressed me with his attitude and his clothes are actually starting to grow on me.  He actually makes me want to take 3 random shirts from my closet, cut them up and sew them back together in a crazy way.  *LOL*

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Thaddeus ONeil has to be a kept man, right? Or he has family money? How does that man, who I wouldn't expect to be able to keep from drowning in the rain, make a living? A surf opera? What?

 

There's something so smarmy and off-putting about the two Rag & Bone dudes that I just want to smack the smug off their faces. Yeah, you're big-time designers, but it's basically white male privilege personified every time I look at them. Of course they didn't get the Chromat idea, because she wanted to empower other women.

 

So 10 grand will get you a rickshaw and a tent with a psychic in it? I know it's high end and New York City and all, but seriously, I can't imagine that that's totally it for the marketing idea. I also (as someone who works in a marketing company) laugh at the idea that "trending on Twitter" does one thing for your ROI. A joke, because most of the people are either too high up in their own perspective companies or too deeply mired in struggling as designers to understand that marketing that doesn't lead directly to sales is bad, bad marketing.

 

Still really like the Brother Vellies woman (who I think must win or runner-up because she's in those commercials for Sonicare, which is bizarre). The Gypsy Sport dude is entirely lovable, but he's really a Project Runway designer and not suited for this particular challenge. Cadet and the dude from the midwest seem to be the same person to me, so that doesn't say much.

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I think Anna Wintour made it seem like she would prefer to hear her clothes are made by kidnapped children in sweatshops than find out about anything ethical.   

 

I didn't like the way the men were forced to do women's wear... and in such a short period of time.  Having said that, I loved David Hart's colorful Mondrian-ish period menswear and thought it would great in women's cuts. Those prints on clothes cut in the Agent Peggy Carter style of blouse and pants would be crazy good.

 

I wish they had chosen the costume jeweler (not the former ballerina who was doing expensive Judith Ripka stuff), the one with the expandable bracelets. I thought her pieces were nice.

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I, too, am underwhelmed by the designers this season.  Random thoughts:  East coast surfer dude with the $6,000 cardigan? Yikes!  Cannot stand the voice of the Brother Vellies woman.  Is that what they call a vocal fry? Too much menswear.  All the clothes are boring except for Chromat and the Gypsy sport guy.  I like him and hope he wins, but he probably won't since the panel emphasized how tiny his business was and they're looking for some one who's further on their way.

 

Finally, why does this show have to be as numbingly repetitive as Project Runway--same intro with the extensive description of the competition and the prize, same comments multiple times by contestants and judges--winning this is really important for my future, this will help me get to the next level, blah blah.  There should be so much detail re the actual clothes that could be shown instead.

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So how is Brother Vellies empowering African women if half of their shoes are custom made in Italy?  Are they just empowering the Africans to decorate some of the shoes?  And yes, she has one of the worst cases of sing-song, Valley Girl vocal fry that I have ever heard.  Ever.  Seriously.  

 

The Chromat stunt dress was such a waste of time.  I know they all have to have a "Big Finish" garment, but that just looked like a Velociraptor attached itself to a really tall girl.  And I hate nose rings.  The company owner speaks through gritted teeth, and sadly her look & sound just distracted me away from her designs. 

 

Thad was bad.  Everything looked like Tommy Bahama knock-offs.  Idiot. 

 

I loved and would wear just about everything Cadet showed in their women's line.  

 

Gypsy boy seemed to veer a little too far towards the outlandish for me, going outrageous just for the sake of it.  I couldn't see any real style in that show.  Just weirdness heaped onto strangeness and wrapped in WTF?

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I don’t understand the point of making the menswear designers do a women’s line, they didn’t make Chromat or Jonathan Simkhai do a men’s line, so why? I wasn't impressed by anything I saw, even Jonathan Simkhai's stuff which I've liked up until now looked boring.

 

Every time Anna is on the screen I get distracted by her strange costume jewelry necklaces, why does she wear them with everything?

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So how is Brother Vellies empowering African women if half of their shoes are custom made in Italy?  Are they just empowering the Africans to decorate some of the shoes?

 

The original designs are developed in Italy and then they're made in Africa. So that makes sense to me. There's definitely a much longer tradition of fashion shoe-making in Italy, so construction, etc. happening in Africa doesn't bother me at all.

 

After this episode, I think Jonathan Simka has this in the bag. Or maybe Cadet, but I think Simka is already established, he's in a bunch of high-end stores, and he's ready to go.

 

Baja East...are those two guys in the Norelco ads they play? They look just like them. Huh.

 

Gypsy Sport's show was cool, but who is buying those clothes? It can't be a huge market. Retail stores won't find it saleable, so he's just going to get a few orders from...somewhere?

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Some of the designers have somehow blurred into one mass of nice looking men sporting scruffy almost beards on one side, and the more individualistic looking designers on the other

I agree, the guys are all interchangeable to me.  Except for Thad.  

 

I see the "judging" part as being very much like a loan officer evaluating an application for a pet supply shop alongside a bakery.  2 different customers and 2 different sets of products, but each has the same specific criteria they have to meet in order to be awarded a loan.  It's the same for feathery shoes versus surfer shorts.  Do they have all the necessary building blocks already in place?  Business plan? Marketing Strategy? Supply Chain? Infrastructure?  Every business has to have the essentials, no matter what they sell. I think the winner will be the best organized overall, and not necessarily the most creative.  Because it still has to make money. 

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Having them create last minute women's clothes when so many of the designers are focused on men seems a little unfair, but I don't quite understand how furry and feathered shoes can be compared to whatever Chromat is doing. and how does Gypsy Sport get judged against just about anyone else?

 

My suspicion is that there are 1 or 2 front runners who the judges are pretty much sure they're going to award the final prize to, and the rest are there as sort of the "filler" for it all. Since it isn't an elimination type of competition, these filler designers just have to be interesting enough to keep the Fashion Fund word out there and get more applicants for the next year. If you look at the previous winners, they all are kind of the same "type," really. There isn't a huge difference in the demographics of the winners' customers. I don't think Gypsy Sport is really in contention, for instance (though the founder's story would be fun for a runner-up), I think eventually the winner will be someone who makes clothes for upper-class people who shop at Bergorf's.

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I agree, David's book looked adorable.  I think that's what sold Anna.  So strange that the Cadet guys just blew off going to see "Hamilton".  Obviously the judges & advisers know what the contestants are doing, so I think that even if they liked what Cadet did, their noses would still be out of joint.  They want those contestants toeing the line.  

 

When I saw that Angelina Jolie was on the cover, my interest in the contestants was sidelined.  It's a really good article, actually. 

http://www.vogue.com/13357646/angelina-jolie-pitt-november-2015-cover/

 

Rio from Gypsy Sport confused me with his attitude about the fashion shoot. Obviously the models didn't look ridiculous and ugly enough for him until he saw the photos.  And they still looked normal!  He's coming off as a weirdo to me now. 

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I don’t know why I didn’t think of Jaden Smith as soon as I saw the Gypsy Sport line, but he is absolutely the guy who would be wearing those clothes, and the Star Wars premier is absolutely the right event for them. I think it says a lot (but I'm not sure what) that Vogue gave Gypsy Sport two whole pages, & other designers had to share one page. Chromat’s designer was barely in the picture. I loved David Hart's book too, & I think this may be his challenge if he doesn't screw it up.

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I love what David came up with for his challenge. He really is charming to me, and I adore his clothes. They're way out of my price range, but I've been collecting pieces here and there when I can save up enough for custom clothing, so that may be my next big splurge (that'll happen after my next bonus or tax refund, so not for a long time).

 

I still think Jonathan Simkai is going to win it. I love his mother! She was so thrilled for him! He's exactly what Vogue likes...a youngish white dude who looks good next to supermodels.

 

Cadet did screw the pooch on this one, but could they get tickets to Hamilton? I know at the time it was next to impossible. I guess Vogue could have smoothed things over for them, but that was sad. I mean, everybody knows what Hamilton is about now, it's so in the zeitgeist, but before the November issue? Hmm.

 

I 100% agree with the woman from Chromat about her picture. She has a real statement she makes about women and being powerful, and that was totally not at all what her brand is about in that picture. I think she got sidelined because she's not model-perfect like the folks they like to see in photos, so they pushed her out of the frame, and that sucks.

 

Thaddeus went to Burning Man, because of course he did. He's so....sigh. Just a middle aged guy who grew up rich (I'm assuming) or got money somehow and now he's pretending he's counter-culture. Look to Gypsy Sport for counter-culture, dude.

 

The Rag & Bone guys still bug the hell out of me. How inspirational or mentor-ish can you be when you come to a designer's place and stare dead-eyed at him while he tries to explain his line? "Have an elevator pitch" is not real help. "Here's what I see in your clothes. Let's go through your design process and figure out your story" is helpful. Those two have bodies in their freezer, I suspect.

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Cadet's response to "Hamilton" was odd. At first I assumed they had a hard time scoring tickets, but then I looked at it again and realized that their invitation was to the Broadway Opening, which means they must have been given tickets. How did they screw that up?

 

 

I think she got sidelined because she's not model-perfect like the folks they like to see in photos, so they pushed her out of the frame, and that sucks.

 

I noticed this in a previous Fashion Fund series (found them on Vogue's website). There was one larger woman designer that was completely hidden. I think you just see her head in a window as she's sitting in a cafe or something.  I'm not into Chromat. I just see wires (plus I feel Madonna went there 25 years ago). So, if it were up to me, her looks wouldn't have made it to the final 10, but she makes a point about the "male gaze" of the shot and how it doesn't show her brand's point of view. I doubt the photographer was told what her point of view is, but I also doubt that he thought to ask, which perhaps he should have. How often do photographers have the designers there at their disposal? I noticed the Gypsy Sport designer was talking to the photographer during the shoot.

 

 

I don’t know why I didn’t think of Jaden Smith as soon as I saw the Gypsy Sport line

 

Probably because no one can make sense of him either.

 

 

I still think Jonathan Simkai is going to win it. I love his mother! She was so thrilled for him! 

 

My response to the mother was "Well, that scenery isn't going to chew itself". I believe she was genuinely happy for her son's success but I think she was equally happy to be in front of a camera.

 

Aurora's "All of that, cumulatively, lead me to... a boot" is my new saying.

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My response to the mother was "Well, that scenery isn't going to chew itself". I believe she was genuinely happy for her son's success but I think she was equally happy to be in front of a camera.

 

You know, his shy, reserved demeanor makes a ton more sense now. Mom always has the spotlight, so he's relegated to the background.

 

My name is xingcat, and I am an armchair psychologist.

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You know, his shy, reserved demeanor makes a ton more sense now. Mom always has the spotlight, so he's relegated to the background.

 

My name is xingcat, and I am an armchair psychologist.

 

You're going to have to make room, because I thought the same thing.  I remember an episode of House Hunters International where the home seeker was young, pretty, could pronounce the French "r" and was shopping for a cute place in Paris. All of this would normally lead me to think "brat, brat, brat", but she was so inexplicably humble. Then her diva mother came to visit and I understood. 

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I thought, silly me, that all the designers would be going to the same runway to display their goods (a la Project Runway) so I was a little surprised when it became a traveling audience road show.  Having them create last minute women's clothes when so many of the designers are focused on men seems a little unfair, but I don't quite understand how furry and feathered shoes can be compared to whatever Chromat is doing. and how does Gypsy Sport get judged against just about anyone else?

 

This isn't a made-for-TV competition, this is an existing competition that's been around for a while that is being documented for TV. So the runway shows aren't staged or arranged for this show, they are real-world shows that the brands created for New York Fashion Week. Except for the couple of menswear designers that weren't planning on showing at Fashion Week, all of the other shows had been planned and in the works for months prior to the designers even knowing they were going to be on this show. The shows are funded and organized by the designers themselves, not the TV show. So the location and type of runway show will vary from contestant to contestant. The designers who did not have a runway show for Fashion Week already in the works were not required to create one just for the Fashion Fund, but as the judges said, they have a lot of potential PR eyes on them this year because they are Fashion Fund finalists so they would be throwing that opportunity away if they didn't attempt to at least throw a little something together during Fashion Week when all of the press is in town and paying attention.

 

The purpose of the Fashion Fund is to give a boost to an existing viable, if perhaps struggling, brand. So they aren't comparing design skills - not judging whether Chromat's swimsuits are better than Brother Vielles shoes, etc. - but they are judging the ability of the designer to take the Fashion Fund money and mentorship and do something with it that will turn them into a successful brand in the long term. 

 

The winners are already posted on CFDA's site at http://cfda.com/programs/the-cfdavogue-fashion-fund

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Poor J. Simkai, he just cannot possibly be more awkward at presentation.  I know he said he had some sort of speech impediment when he was younger, but he needs somebody else to do all the talking for him.  But unfortunately, this presentation was lackluster, so it probably didn't matter.  That dress with the shreddy edges has been done to death.  Even Project Runway contestants have stopped using it as a design feature.  BORING!

 

Could Thad have possibly looked LESS like a Burning Man participant?  He's just brain dead to me.  I didn't even like the coat, though I did like the fabric.  That vertical stripe in shades of watercolor blue was pretty. 

 

And I also have to agree with the comments that Chromat's dress was barely 1 step away from a Comic Con costume.  I could absolutely see YaYa Han in that.  

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I like Jonathan Simkai's clothes, but there's no way he's going to win. I don't understand why he can't talk about his own designs with intelligence, he just freezes like he never saw them before. Such a shame. I liked David Hart, I actually liked Gypsy Sport (so of course, the judges didn't), didn't like Thaddeus, Baja East, or really anybody's entire outfit, maybe a piece here & there.. I also wonder whose dress Brother Vellies' model was wearing, & how much does it count? They judge on the styling, so does that dress count the same as a pair of earrings someone else used? 

 

And I also have to agree with the comments that Chromat's dress was barely 1 step away from a Comic Con costume.  I could absolutely see YaYa Han in that.  

OMG, you're right. especially with the light up crap. Diane must have really pushed for Chromat to be a contestant, because Vogue & Becca do not see eye to eye on anything. She didn't like the photograph they picked for the magazine, she didn't like any of the styling they tried to do, they just don't understand each other. 

 

Does anyone know why Aurora is in the Sonicare commercials? Or why they have such strange commercials? If she ends up winning, I'm going to feel like they've been waving the winner in our faces all this time & laughing at us. I find it strange because none of the other designers are in commercials.

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Does anyone know why Aurora is in the Sonicare commercials? Or why they have such strange commercials? If she ends up winning, I'm going to feel like they've been waving the winner in our faces all this time & laughing at us. I find it strange because none of the other designers are in commercials.

 

The guys from Baja East are in the Norelco commercials. Their facial hair is different, and they have dyed hair, but I kept checking and it's them. So maybe those are are top 2? I doubt it, but it's interesting to see.

 

I have to love Diane Von Furstenburg for sticking with Chromat. I think Chromat is the only one even attempting to do something different, and I find it really interesting that the only 2 women in competition are the only two whom I find have a real message to their clothes. Both are about empowering women in some way (Brother Vellies through manufacturing in Africa, Chromat through technology and a strong women's presence) and both are pretty unflappable when it comes to what they say. Gypsy Sport and Baja East and Thaddeus O'Neil are all interesting, design-wise, but they're kind of just man-boys to me who are doing the same sort of "wear a fuzzy carpet and call it street/beach fashion" to me. Cadet, Simkhai, those other two white bread guys I can't remember the names of and the dude who made the kids' clothes are all really decent designers, but what's really their point of view? Fashion based on uniforms? Pretty dresses? Denim? Yawn.

 

I also found it interesting that the show stopped itself to watch the two women designers cry. It was jarring in a sea of guys just being slightly nervous. I just get a strange vibe from this show, and not in a good way.

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Maybe that's why I'm having a difficult time seeing the empowerment part of those fashions.

I agree with this.  Clothing that is "engineered" to do specific things and that needs to be managed and handled very deliberately seems the least empowering thing for me.  It means my clothes are wearing ME.  And I have to go out of my way to wear them "correctly" to portray something that people should get from my actions & attitudes. 

 

Clothing that requires more than just putting it on my body and going about my business feels like complicated trappings that make my life more difficult, not simple & stylish coverings that I just put on & then don't have to think about.  

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The Rag & Bone guys still bug the hell out of me. How inspirational or mentor-ish can you be when you come to a designer's place and stare dead-eyed at him while he tries to explain his line? "Have an elevator pitch" is not real help. "Here's what I see in your clothes. Let's go through your design process and figure out your story" is helpful. Those two have bodies in their freezer, I suspect.

 

I agree with your entire post xingcat but specifically this. Those two guys give me the creeps and Mr. Rag's condescension is so stereotypical of mean fashion people.  There's direct and what we saw to me was on the rude side of direct.

 

Watching Episode 8. Anna briskly walking away from the Chromat piece that gave the coordinator, Selby, a small electric shock was hysterical. "Don't electrocute yourself Selby it's not worth it." So comforting that Anna, not are you ok? But moreso, I'm outta here.

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The whole Instagram thing annoyed me, models get bookings by how many followers they have, now designers are judged by a 15 second Instagram video? When did fashion stop being about fashion & start being about followers?

 

I can't even imagine the thinking process that went on in Thaddeus' head that made him think completely covering himself in a party condom for his video would be a good idea.

 

Aurora was really pissed that Jonathan was sitting next to Anna & across from Kanye, but even though I like his clothes the best, I think he's just so bad at representing his line verbally, I can't see him winning. 

 

If Kim and Kenye hadn't been there, I would have enjoyed the fashion runway more (yes, I know they hosted it; I don't care).  

Yep.

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The Instagram challenge is entirely cringeworthy. "Viral" is a meaningless term at this point, and the idea that an overproduced brand video is going to go "viral" is something that marketers who are really behind the times cling to. The fact that all the examples of social media presented before the Instagram challenge were tweets was just hilarious. All the videos were so try-hard, and Instagram isn't about that..it's about connecting with people 1-on-1, so just actually maybe talking to the designers about The Fashion Fund or something would have worked much better than this. Also, the fact that the judges were all aflutter about someone giving the finger to the camera...please stop. Just go back to having a ton of money, and being Ubered around NYC, guys.

 

As someone who's been involved in theater for about 25 years, I'm always amazed at how chaotic it is behind the scenes of fashion shows. I guess they have very little time, but it always seems like it's barely going to come together. The fact that we got to see about 3 seconds of the fashion show in this episode says a lot about this show, I think. Is this fund about the fashion, or is it more a way to push the influence of Vogue and the people behind it? I'm still not sure.

 

I think Aurora had something on-point when she noticed Jonathan Simkhai sitting next to Anna Wintour. (The fact that Kim Kardashian said she'd been supporting him for a while now was telling, too.) Maybe he's not going to win, but it seems like last year's winner, that everybody else were supporting players in his journey. We'll see. It may be Aurora, since they edited in that bit, and she has been really on the forefront. I'm guessing she's runner-up at this point, with Jonathan breezing into the 400K.

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I just can't stand watching or listening to Aurora.  Everything sounds like a whine, though I'm sure she's a nice lady, the sound of her voice is just fingernails on a chalkboard to me. And did the audience at the fashion show understand that her line was actually shoes & not clothes?  Because the only thing I could see of her collection were the boots SHE was wearing. 

 

I also loved David Hart's retro movie, it was very thematic & appropriate.  I thought I saw young "Mad Men" actress Kiernan Shipka in the crowd, so If it was her, I wonder if they got to meet. 

 

Thad

Deus

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Again astounds me with how clueless he acts and how homeless he looks.  As in dirty and smelly.  And I just can't help posting his name in that pretentious and asshat-ish style he uses.  

 

And I agree the whole "going viral" concept is completely meaningless.  Do these media folks just not understand that you can't produce something to do that, it has to happen on it's own?  Are they seriously that stupid?

 

I'm loving the things Cadet does and hope this competition is a major push for their label and brings them notoriety.  I'd definitely buy their stuff if I could afford it.  

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I haven't watched this ep yet but I was flipping through some magazine in a waiting room a couple weeks ago (US Weekly, maybe?) and there was a 2-page spread of Jonathan Simkhai dresses on A-list stars.  Not a few, more like 10-12 fashionistas. 

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Well it took all this time to even find the Fashion Fund Forum! I've enjoyed this BUT the commercials! Dear God the commercial! I'm glad it's only 30 minutes or I'd have to shove a chopstick in my ear if I had to hear "Tarzan no go" (or whatever he says) ONE MORE TIME....Geez Amazon why???????? Lot of good Prime does if you still get the dam commercials.

I live on the East Coast.....3 blocks from the Atlantic. I know a lot of surfers and NONE of them are remotely like Thaddeus.Thank Heaven.

Don't get Ovation so I've never seen this show before. I like it but after all that the clothes walked in a very fast circle. Once. I didn't see what any of them even looked like! I wanted a regular runway show.....Come on guys....

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Ok, I'm not unhappy with them selecting 3 winners.  And overall I think they will all succeed, at least moderately.  I would rather have had Cadet in the Brother Vellies space, but I'm happy for David S. and Rio of Gypsy.  I was just relieved that Thad basically got laughed out of contention and they didn't get sucked into Diana's obsession with those Chromat contraptions/accessories.  I love DVF, but she was just blinded by all that body scaffolding.  Not realistic for mass market and so incredibly uncomfortable looking. 

I also agree with the suggestion that David Hart could either do upscale kids clothes, or those adorable sweaters.  But his menswear line is just too much "Mad Men" and not enough "Average Men".  

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That was interesting, I wonder what made them decide to pick 3 winners? Anybody know if they've ever had multiple winners before? That must really suck for the people who didn't win, it's bad enough to lose when there's only 1 winner, but if you get 3 chances & still don't win, it must be depressing. I wonder where the extra $600,000 came from.

I'm very glad that Simhkai is a winner, I've liked his stuff best from the beginning, I just didn't think he would win because he was so damn awkward in person. I don't like Brother Vellies shoes, I don't care where they're made, I think they're ugly, & I hope Jaden Smith has lots & lots of friends because I don't know who else is going to wear Gypsy Sport clothes. I am so glad Chromat wasn't a winner, her clothing is ridiculous & I don't see anything "empowering" about them, they look more confining to me.

I hope next year has more women's wear & at least 1 jewelry designer.

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I'm not upset that there are 3 winners, though that takes it from $400K to $1.2MIL, which is a pretty big investment! I think that Simkhai just is too awkward to be that engaging as a winner, so Aurora is the spokesperson, but her shoes aren't that interesting (and a shoe designer won last year), so they have the Gypsy Sport dude, as well. Or something. It's all very strange, because I don't know where Gypsy Sport could go, really. If they mature, they lose their edge, and if they don't, they'll be behind-the-times in about a year.

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The commercials on an Amazon Prime show is really odd. I did enjoy this, it fills the project runway hole created once it went to Lifetime.

Because I am from the Central Coast of California and surfed in my younger years I am VERY aware of O'Neill. So this Thaddeus guy was really stupid. Surf fasion already exists under that very name (plus a L) since the 50's. Such an odd point of view. Why was this guy given an opportunity at all? I think O'Neill would probably be able to sue to stop this guy's line.

Anna Wintour: three strand necklace, sleeveless sheath or a line.

Jenna Lyons: Ruiner of J. Crew, not the Tilly sweater.

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