Episode Discussion: TFGH

1 hour ago, Linny said:

Genie did a nice job today. Laura looked exhausted, and her frustration and anger were palpable. It also looked like she could have literally snapped Valentin in half, which was super amusing to me. JPS is such a slight man.

Where did Kevin go? I get that Jon Lindstrom is recurring and heaven forbid you pay him anymore than absolutely needed, but it doesn't even make sense from a narrative perspective. Kevin wouldn't have left Laura alone at the station, not when on Wednesday she was clearly mere seconds away from falling apart emotionally.

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25 minutes ago, seasons said:

That scene on the dock with Laura and Valentin.

Been watching on and off for 40+ years, never realized how unfortunate GF's acting can be.

Even Jane Elliot had terrible days, with the way they tape.

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28 minutes ago, ulkis said:

That scene on the dock with Laura and Valentin.

Been watching on and off for 40+ years, never realized how unfortunate GF's acting can be.

Laura is getting on my last nerve, but I suppose GF has to have some reels for Emmy-bait. Still....

I snark, and therefore I am. But must praise that scene between Sam and Ava today when Sam appealed gently to Ava's maternal instinct about being there for Avery's life instead of being a victim to Sonny. And I cheered with wonder when she gently placed the medical mask on Ava's face and took her to the mirror, reawakening Ava's self instincts and hope about healing her body and her soul. How different from the parallel but ugly scene where CarSon mocked Ava and trampled her spirit of survival, telling her that her face is now as ugly as her soul. Sam articulating the thought that Ava had paid her karma, whereas Sonny hasn't, was much appreciated by this fan. Brava Sam! I have new respect for you.

Isn't Ava Sam's aunt? Why doesn't Sam ever call her "Aunt Ava"? Curtis is always calling Stella "Auntie," but maybe we Southerners are more partial to that type of title.

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If Sam acknowledged her as her aunt it would mean there was a connection that doesn't revolve around Sonny.

Are we supposed to think that Carson attacking Ava is Yay Sonhny and Carly, and "crazy Sam" because she's nice to Ava?

8 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

I just don't get how nearly everyone involved in the investigation hates Valentin for personal reasons yet we're supposed to believe they're not biased. Even Nathan just wants his sister away from him. 

I don't get why they think Sonny is the hero of the show but there it is.

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Remember when Sonny blamed everything that went wrong on Julian, without any evidence or causal connections? Now suddenly his immediate suspicion falls on Valentin as the Cause of All Evul. Yes, Valentin apparently shot Nik, but no corpse is there to prove he died, and people like Laura .and Sonny refuse to consider that Nik may have faked his own death. Moreover, they refuse to believe that precocious Spencer might be trying to get attention and support by running away and hiding. If Valentin survives this calumny and the real culprits are found, I hope that Laura and Sonny have the decency to apologize to Valentin.

In the meantime, given other hints that the writers have dropped, I won't be surprised at all if Nik kidnapped his own son so that suspicion will fall on Valentin.

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

What are those plastic masks supposed to do? Protect Ava's face from schmutz and infection?

Sweet baby Jasus, Laura. If you don't believe Valentin, why even talk to him?

I died laughing when Hallucination!Sonny swooped in behind Sam and taunted her. It was so cheesy. I loved it.

Previews: MAC!!!!!

The mask provides compression, helping to keep skin smoother as it heals and reducing scarring. 

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So, Carly is dating Wyatt Halliwell. Interesting.

JPS & MS reactions to GF's overacting are priceless. And JPS & MS are the worst overacting hams around.

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1 minute ago, RedheadZombie said:

The mask provides compression, helping to keep skin smoother as it heals and reducing scarring. 

Thanks, RedheadZombie.

4 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I hope that Laura and Sonny have the decency to apologize to Valentin.

LOL. Laura might grudgingly say she's sorry she clocked Valentin with a crowbar, but there's no way Sonny will apologize about anything.

I think one reason Sam doesn't use the "aunt" honorific with Ava is that a) they met as adults, and b) they don't really know each other. Curtis has known Stella his entire life.

Ava basically kicked Julian out of the apartment because of her giant pity party, right? I had to laugh when she ordered a case of vodka. It was also amusing that she was clearly expecting (hoping?) the delivery guy would take one look at her and run away screaming. I get that Ava is vain and has used her looks to advance her career and such, but at worst she looks as if she had a bad run-in with a bunch of bees. Good lord.

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13 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Sonny [has] the decency to apologize to Valentin.

BWAH! Thanks, I needed that laugh.

ETA: Jinx!

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1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

I also join those who don't understand why she won't even entertain the idea that Spencer ran away.

Because Valentin held a group of strangers hostage to force Nik to sign over his assets (despite having a will which supposedly granted him those assets), murdered her son and then moved into his house. Valentin tried to kidnap Spencer once before and has recently threatened him. 

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

Of course, the actual reason is that the writers are shitty, and they write with all the subtlety of an Acme cartoon.

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Oy writers. I cut some slack on Valentin supposedly intimidating even Helena, but then don't bring it up again. 

After Laura left the station I felt like Nina got emotional just because Stafford wasn't gonna let Genie have all the scenery in the room, damn it.

And she keeps saying ass man landers.

Really writers, Jason leaves a note and not a text? And then signs it "J."?

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10 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I hope that Laura and Sonny have the decency to apologize to Valentin.

I, on the other hand, hope that she releases toxic gas into the room while he and Nina are sleeping. 

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7 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

That makes sense, and if Laura herself put it this way, I'd buy it. Then she'd be using her brain instead of jumping to an almost certainly wrong conclusion. I'm so tired of all the women being idiots. Everything about this irritates me.

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6 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Of course, the actual reason is that the writers are shitty, and they write with all the subtlety of an Acme cartoon.

You know, I wouldn't even mind Laura being the heavy for Valentin if they would let her be pissed at Sonny for Spencer being taken by some mob dude. Or you know what, I wouldn't even want that, I just don't want her to say, "poor Sonny, you must feel so bad someone used Spencer to get to you." If she doesn't say something like that I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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1 hour ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

But must praise that scene between Sam and Ava today when Sam appealed gently to Ava's maternal instinct about being there for Avery's life instead of being a victim to Sonny. And I cheered with wonder when she gently placed the medical mask on Ava's face and took her to the mirror, reawakening Ava's self instincts and hope about healing her body and her soul. How different from the parallel but ugly scene where CarSon mocked Ava and trampled her spirit of survival, telling her that her face is now as ugly as her soul. Sam articulating the thought that Ava had paid her karma, whereas Sonny hasn't, was much appreciated by this fan.

Best scenes of the day!  

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55 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Really writers, Jason leaves a note and not a text? And then signs it "J."?

Jason would never do that. Fakeson!

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Jason The Torturer and Murderer is why I can't stand the character.

Not looking forward to his return, or to Laura being complicit in whatever he does.

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58 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Jason The Torturer and Murderer is why I can't stand the character.

Not looking forward to his return, or to Laura being complicit in whatever he does.

But just think how rewarding the scenes of Laura, Sonny and Jason apologizing to Valentin will be...

......

hahahahaha, just kidding!  How ridiculous would THAT be??  

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::Checks in here to see if it might be worthwhile to watch GH again.::

::Shakes head in amused disgust and checks back out, confident that being GH-free is the correct choice.::

Seriously, everything happening on this show right now just sounds disgusting.

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On 7/20/2017 at 5:24 PM, dubbel zout said:

I think GF went overboard with her gasp when the eyewitness recognized Valentin.

She really did, because I think many of us were mislead into thinking it turned out to be some old Frank Smith holdover or something...or Kevin's literal evil twin? Either was more exciting. 

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8 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Because Valentin held a group of strangers hostage to force Nik to sign over his assets (despite having a will which supposedly granted him those assets), murdered her son and then moved into his house. Valentin tried to kidnap Spencer once before and has recently threatened him. 

If Spencer ran away, he might be in danger. If Valentin took him, Spencer is either in danger or dead. It makes sense for Laura to be laser-focused on the worst case scenario in this instance because the worst case scenario is actually dire.

All of the above gives me a lot of patience with Laura as well. The Cassadines have basically been terrorizing her since she was barely in her 20s, have kidnapped or "killed" her, all three of her children, and some of her grandkids. So if the writers could just point that out here and there, it would make eminent sense why she'd be a little...twitchy. 

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what a dumb scene with that woman in the police station. of course she didnt know who kidnapped spencer. she looked like she just came in the studio wearing a housecoat. 

why do the guards need to call sonny to let in his stepdaughter

where are they going with this hayden story.? did she steal money from her fiance? 

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15 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Laura is getting on my last nerve, but I suppose GF has to have some reels for Emmy-bait. Still....

I snark, and therefore I am. But must praise that scene between Sam and Ava today when Sam appealed gently to Ava's maternal instinct about being there for Avery's life instead of being a victim to Sonny. And I cheered with wonder when she gently placed the medical mask on Ava's face and took her to the mirror, reawakening Ava's self instincts and hope about healing her body and her soul. How different from the parallel but ugly scene where CarSon mocked Ava and trampled her spirit of survival, telling her that her face is now as ugly as her soul. Sam articulating the thought that Ava had paid her karma, whereas Sonny hasn't, was much appreciated by this fan. Brava Sam! I have new respect for you.

Isn't Ava Sam's aunt? Why doesn't Sam ever call her "Aunt Ava"? Curtis is always calling Stella "Auntie," but maybe we Southerners are more partial to that type of title.

I couldn't believe I was watching TFGH when I saw that scene. I also have a new respect for Sam, if this is all due to whatever illness they throw on her, could they please not fix it? Sam The Truth Teller is my new favorite character.

15 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If Sam acknowledged her as her aunt it would mean there was a connection that doesn't revolve around Sonny.

Are we supposed to think that Carson attacking Ava is Yay Sonhny and Carly, and "crazy Sam" because she's nice to Ava?

I don't get why they think Sonny is the hero of the show but there it is.

I'll never understand why they think Sonny is the hero of the show. Are they really that tone deaf? And what about MB? Does he actually think he's the best actor that ever acted?

I just can't with Laura, I get all the backstory and understand the Cassadine hate she has every right to revel in, but when she followed Valentin to the docks and assaulted him all I could think of was Wig On A Stick, Party Of One. And Jason showing up to torture the "truth" out of Valentin is beyond dumb. He knows Sam is all out of whack right now, he knows Sam doesn't want him anywhere near Sonny's schemes, but saying Sam won't care because she's related to Spencer? Argh!!!

This was the first time I can remember not wanting the hour to be over, I wanted Sam to go after Sonny immediately.  MrTVEye came home from work just in time for that scene and all I wanted to know was how many bullets were in the clip. He asked me if she was going to shoot Sonny and said it's about time somebody kills him off. His main question about TFGH is why doesn't anyone work and why does everyone drink all the time. I just tell him it's because it's TFGH, where logic does not exist at all. To which he replied "how can you watch this shit?" Good question without a valid answer.

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The worst part of the Sam storyline is going to be when she apologizes to Sonny and simpers about how her illness (whatever it is) made her say those things/shot him/hurt his wittle feelings/whatever.  Because as great as those scenes with Ava were yesterday we're supposed to understand that she's not right in the head right now or she'd only talk to Ava to echo Sonny and Carly's awful, awful threats.

And of-friggin-course Spencer's real kidnapper only sends Sonny a pic of the kid after Jason starts his "let's torture the truth out of Valentin" assignment.  The more this show tells me I'm supposed to root for Sonny and against his ~enemies (defined as anyone who doesn't bow down to him), the more I root for the latter. 

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16 hours ago, ulkis said:

Oy writers. I cut some slack on Valentin supposedly intimidating even Helena, but then don't bring it up again. 

I can't. The Cassadine that Helena and everyone else feared most wouldn't be a crybaby. 

1 hour ago, tveyeonyou said:

why does everyone drink all the time

Is he talking about the characters or the viewers?

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42 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Is he talking about the characters or the viewers?

Ba-zing!

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how can hayden and finn affotd a house with a tennis court? iy sounds like something the quarter Maine's woukd own

was that the quarter maine guest house? 

i guess jakes ,scout,cam and aiden are back in the attic

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Finn is a successful doctor. And a specialist. I'm sure he makes a nice salary even before he sold his cure and gave the proceeds to the hospital. And this is port Charles not Beverly hills. Real estate prices are likely not that high. Hell even Morgan was going to buy a big house for him and Kiki 

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3 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

This was the first time I can remember not wanting the hour to be over, I wanted Sam to go after Sonny immediately. 

Me too!!  When she pulled the box out of the closet and took out the gun, I actually giggled a little because I thought, since it was Friday, that she would go after him.  But no, so now I'm sad!!

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3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

The worst part of the Sam storyline is going to be when she apologizes to Sonny and simpers about how her illness (whatever it is) made her say those things/shot him/hurt his wittle feelings/whatever.  Because as great as those scenes with Ava were yesterday we're supposed to understand that she's not right in the head right now or she'd only talk to Ava to echo Sonny and Carly's awful, awful threats.

 

Yes, I really hate this.  For once, Sam actually says something intelligent, insightful and compassionate, and THAT'S supposed to be a symptom of her wtf mental illness?? That doesn't even make sense clinically.  

Plus, you know, Sonny being a total asshat, you'd think that someone, at some point, would point out that he NEVER pays for a damn thing he does...and that whoever said that would actually stick to that because it's the truth.  Why do the writers always have to justify every evil thing Sonny does?!!  

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All of the above gives me a lot of patience with Laura as well. The Cassadines have basically been terrorizing her since she was barely in her 20s, have kidnapped or "killed" her, all three of her children, and some of her grandkids. So if the writers could just point that out here and there, it would make eminent sense why she'd be a little...twitchy. 

I wish they had time and budget for rehearsals.  Rehearsal is when you work off the excess adrenaline of a story line, get rid of the acting tics and other general OTT-ness.

We've seen quite a few actors over the years on GH who were really awful.  Then they get to prime time or movies and they do a pretty good job.  I like to think that GF, with rehearsal and some decent direction wouldn't fall into some of the easier acting traps.  Hell, why not mention good writing too?  With the way they shoot this show I'm surprised anyone is any good at all.

That said, Laura's gasp made me jump a bit. Then I think I giggled.

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32 minutes ago, HipOldBat said:

Plus, you know, Sonny being a total asshat, you'd think that someone, at some point, would point out that he NEVER pays for a damn thing he does...and that whoever said that would actually stick to that because it's the truth.

What I wouldn't give to have Monica overhear Sonny's (or Carly's or Jason's) whining about Ava not paying and UNLEASH. Then she can take a page from her late husband's book and drop a roof on them. It'll never happen.

Poor Monica. Do you think in all her endless hours babysitting JaSam's kids, she has to listen to Danny sing Uncle Sonny's praises?

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I'm super annoyed at Jason for caving into Sonny the Spider's wiles and temptations to re-enlist in mob-related activity. Of course Jason is going to resort to violence, and Laura herself was already striking Valentin and conking him on the head. I wish Val would get back in touch with the police (maybe via his doctor or the hospital) and take out legal recourse against Laura and Jason, who are out-of-control bullies. These days, little kids are kidnapped and trafficked routinely, and Spencer, who takes chances, might have run out of luck. It doesn't have to be Valentin at all. Someone in the five mob families could have branched out into human trafficking.

I'm glad that Nathan told Nina how the cow ate the cabbage [a Texas saying in my family]. He's not going to be there to rescue when she acts impulsively, gets in trouble, and falls apart. Now if only he would strike the same attitude with brainless, impulsive Maxie.

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7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I can't. The Cassadine that Helena and everyone else feared most wouldn't be a crybaby. 

Is he talking about the characters or the viewers?

6 hours ago, OnceSane said:

Ba-zing!

I think he was talking about both because this show will drive anyone to drink lol

 

5 hours ago, Perkie said:

Me too!!  When she pulled the box out of the closet and took out the gun, I actually giggled a little because I thought, since it was Friday, that she would go after him.  But no, so now I'm sad!!

Well, at least we have Monday to look forward to, for once. Hopefully. Damn this show has made me violent, I'm actually rooting for somebody to empty their gun into someone else. Then again, we are talking about Sonny after all.

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7 hours ago, Perkie said:

since it was Friday

Are we back on track? The show was behind a day for a while. 

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11 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

I couldn't believe I was watching TFGH when I saw that scene. 

 

 

I keep meaning to ask -- what does TFGH stand for?

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