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Bonnie Bennett: Witchy Woman

Anyway, moving on now. Tonights episode looks to have some great sassy Bonnie mojo. I hope she gets to sass Lily tons, and has a hand in whatever shennanigans goes down tonight. Everyone knows how these dinner parties go down right?

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Really? The race card?

 

 

Wow, so not a card, but I do find it incredibly racist whenever people use that expression especially when it comes from a place of privilege and a lack of understanding yet what's even worse a complete unwillingness to understand. Simply shrugging off someone's valid concerns about racism with a flippant "oh race card" as if there is such a card in such a game being somehow played implying a lack of seriousness to the issue. As if America wasn't built on the backs of slaves the likes of which the character of Bonnie's ancestors play on the show (without any sensitivity whatsoever to the issue) only to have her play a modern day slave to her friends with all her sacrificing and "lack of desirability" inherent in the script. 

 

Also, please don't speak for Bamon fans, you don't have liberty to speak for the fandom an are incorrect in doing so.

 

Let's see.... so many articles on racism and racist writing towards and around Bonnie by Plec and Vampire Diaries and that was just the first few I pulled up.

 

 https://shannonjeanna.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-problematic-treatment-of-people-of-color-on-the-vampire-diaries/

 

http://race.iheartsociology.com/2013/11/the-vampire-diaries-continues-racism-in-the-media/

 

http://writeturnlove.tumblr.com/post/126073020674/hollywood-racism-julie-plec-and-the-vampire

 

http://irresistible-revolution.tumblr.com/post/34927148809/the-mammification-of-bonnie-bennett-or-why-we

 

http://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2014/05/race-on-vampire-diaries-and-originals.html

 

specifically and entirely with respect to Bonnie Bennett and juxtaposed with the writing for the rest of the girls on the show http://darwinquark.tumblr.com/post/30184373129/bonnie-bennett-fandom-being-marginalized-and

 

http://leianaberrie.tumblr.com/post/116321624768/the-problem-with-bonnie-bennett-summarized-by-a

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If this show is renewed, it will be because of "The Three Amigos", Bonnie, Damon, and Alaric. So, IMO, at some point they are going to have to stop writing Elena's SL.

I watched TVD, S1 through S5, a week before S7 started. Netflix got S6 a little too late for me to watch the entire season, so I didn't watch it before the first episode of S7 aired.

Here's my point: Damon has been looking at Bonnie the way no male should be looking at a female unless he is interested in her. Whether it was a directing choice or Ian's choice, it was and has been clearly there. The sexual tension has been off the chain between these two characters.

It reminds me of the time of Sexis, if any of you remember, back in the day when GH allowed us to believe Sexis would happen. I believed in the "logical progression theory" back then.

Forgive me, I digress. Anyway, Delena fans hate Bonnie because they fear she might get with Damon. Stelena fans say Bonnie shouldn't get with Damon because she Elena's BFF and that that would be all kinds of wrong.

Let me tell you, what is all kinds of wrong: sleeping with your boyfriend's brother. That is the lowest thing a girl could do.

Bonnie is a beautiful and caring woman. Loyal to a fault. Yet, she can't even get her own "real" LI. Plec and Dries need to stop playing games.

Bonnie would not look twice at Enzo, and Enzo would not look twice at Bonnie. There is no rhyme or reason for the two of them to get together, "Today" or "3 Years from Now."

Damon mentioning Elena in every scene has gotten old. I hope she is not mentioned in every episode until the end of the season or till the end of the show. I for one am done with it.

Give Bonnie a chance with Damon, TVD. There is love there between the two. Damon did not start out obsessing over Bonnie, so it's possible for him to know what genuine love is until his obsession regains consciousness.

Rant and rumblings over for now.

The highlighted parts hold negative connotations for the DE ship and Elena, and slights against fans, and that is fine, you are entitled to that opinion, but then people will react and defend with their opinion, and they are just as valid. Calling out the writers as racists, or other fans as @slayer has done is just not acceptable IMO, so this will be my last post in relation to this topic. Like you, I have been around the fandom a long time, and I have no wish to see the discussion devolve into those type of fan wars of old, so I'm withdrawing. 

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Why do Bamon fans never condemn Damon for sleeping with his brother's girlfriend? Why is the blame always put solely on Elena's shoulders?

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Okay, this has seriously gone off the rails in here folks. Topic please, and let's remember the site rule - Be Civil. The thread is getting lost in here.

 

Posts may be removed or clipped, and going forward, they DEFINITELY will be if the tone doesn't change.

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Since some of you have missed it, the TOPIC is Bonnie. Don't respond to posts above the mod note if you're not responding about Bonnie. Not Damon, not Elena, not Stefan, not any mash up of names - Bonnie.

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Enzo at least, has never actually got together with anyone else on the show so let's see how that goes.

 

No thanks! I am way over Bonnie being paired with throw-away guys that no one else would want. They have no chem, no reason for interacting and he's one of the worst and most pointless males on TVD

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So someone brought this up earlier and I've always wondered too. What are Bonnie's power levels? This series has never really explored if witches have varying degrees of power. It seems if you are born a witch it's only a matter of learning how to harness your power and collecting spells. And I think they're supposed to be the most powerful supernaturals but they're always written as glass canons and taken out very easily.

 

Bonnie's greatest magic moments mostly seem to have come from her either having borrowed power or by abusing power (expression). Her regular abilities are so up and down. She seemed fairly powerful when she was in 1994 and got her powers back since the spell to send Damon back seemed complicated. But in the current time back in Mystic Falls she doesn't seem that powerful. Like why did she slowly mind whammy that heretic? Couldn't she have just set him on fire? Or decapiate him? I guess plot. But I wish the show develed into witches and magic more. They seem to just set them aside as plot devices though.

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I think Bonnie is supposed to be very powerful, since she is a Descendant of Questiya who is supposed to be uber-powerful. Didn't Silas call her a prodigy? But she never received formal training, unlike say the Gemini coven so that's why her magic is so uneven. 


No thanks! I am way over Bonnie being paired with throw-away guys that no one else would want. They have no chem, no reason for interacting and he's one of the worst and most pointless males on TVD

I found them together this evening cringe worthy so... you have a point there. I hate that they're making her go after him. When is Bonnie going to be chased down relentlessly by a man? I though they were going to start something like that with Kai last season after he Merged with his brother, but she locked him up in the prison world and he died. 

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I haven't watched the last episode (kind of don't want to) but someone tell me what's happening with Bonnie... I am this close to not watching anymore out of boredom. When will entire episodes be in the future? I am asking because they seem to be my refuge away from those boring fauxriginals who are inexplicably British.

 

Something I wanted to say about Beremy: I thought it was super cute, I really liked Jeremy in season 2 and thought they were super hot together. Then they had him cheat on her with a ghost. I was done, wasn't there anything else they could have done? Or simply not have him go as far as kissing Anna? After that I just was grossed out and it didn't help that Jeremy got annoying again and then they got back together, I didn't care except for the fact that I was glad that there was one designated Bonnie person who was about protecting her...then the grossness of him blaming her for dying and then spending his summer banging everything that moved was the cement on the ground six feet above the coffin. Then his woe is me crap while people were actually trying to bring her back and then not really caring that she was back, on top of basically telling her he didn't bother to try for her because he "didn't want to be disappointed again", rme. Anyway, I am talking about this because I am terrified this will be the blue print for Bozo (such a fitting ship name); her caring more than her boyfriend while she is his consolation prize. Even grosser here since Enzo is smarting over not getting Lily! How offensive is that!? It's like they thought "well...people will never believe he just woke up and saw how hot Bonnie is. I know! We can have him be into Lily for no pre-established reason and then have him e heartbroken and turn to Bonnie because of that!"

 

Anyhoo, Bonnie centred sentiment: when will she get a storyline? Unlike what some people (coughwriterscough) think, giving a character a LI is not necessarily giving them a SL. Especially when the one in question is the worst character on the show and is played by the one actor who doesn't have chemistry with Kaat. Seriously... My cynical self is imagining the sigh of relief in the writers' room when they saw there was no spark and therefore no chance of people getting invested in the relationship because lbr, if people care more about Bozo, it's for Bonnie...almost nobody gives a flying fuck about Enzo. They should just kill her off, it's all so painful to watch. 

Whatever... what I was coming here to discuss is the possibility of her having family members still out there? I want her to have witch friends and since a coven was killed for her, I doubt any non-related coven would approach her. Unless they themselves are outcasts. Also, she and Matt are the only humans left, what is her life plan? AT  least Matt wants to be a police man and protect humans. Bonnie doesn't talk about what she'd like to do or what she once wanted to do. Does't mention following in her grams' footsteps or maybe opening some kind of shop like we see other witches do. Something not Salvatore related. Anything.

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Whatever... what I was coming here to discuss is the possibility of her having family members still out there? I want her to have witch friends and since a coven was killed for her, I doubt any non-related coven would approach her. Unless they themselves are outcasts. Also, she and Matt are the only humans left, what is her life plan? AT  least Matt wants to be a police man and protect humans. Bonnie doesn't talk about what she'd like to do or what she once wanted to do. Does't mention following in her grams' footsteps or maybe opening some kind of shop like we see other witches do. Something not Salvatore related. Anything.

 

We see Bonnie in Alaric's Occult Studies class so we know she is still at Whitmore. But I have no idea what her major is or if she has one. She doesn't have to have one, she could just be taking classes that interest her while trying to figure herself out. But I would like the show to tell us that much about her. We know Caroline has her dramatic/theater stuff. Jeremy had his art. Tyler was a jock, who also wanted to go into law enforcement. Elena was going to be a doctor... Just about everybody in the MFG had a life plan. Even if Bonnie doesn't have one, I'd like to know that she doesn't have one, you know? And yes, it's a pity about the Parkers and the Gemini coven because if they had survived season 6, they and Bonnie had a nice background that would have been fun exploring. Sheila Bennett mentored Jo Parker, and she also helped the younger twins. Then Bennett blood was used to build both Prison worlds, indicating an alliance of sorts between the Gemini coven and the Bennetts. Going further back, weren't Questiya and the Travellers all members of a section of the Gemini coven, who ended up being 'banished' when Questiya made the immortality spell? 

 

On the other hand, Questiya herself barely had a conversation with Bonnie while she was alive so I don't know if the show would have explored that. But they went out of their way to link the Parkers to Sheila Bennett and I wonder if they didn't have some other reason for it. While not a fan of Bonkai, Kai did seem more interested in Bonnie than just about any other guy except Jeremy has been on the show. Some might even argue that he was more than Jeremy, down right thirsty for Bonnie, especially during the arc when he wanted her forgiveness. And it would have been nice for her to have someone actively pursuing her, even if it was unrequited. I'm not comfortable with the way they are developing the Bonenzo relationship. Putting Bonnie in the middle of Enzo's drama with Lily and Julian by having her pretend to be his date/ to make Lily jealous. Why not have her confront him for kidnapping Caroline, and allying with Lily first? Why is she saying things like, "you can do better." What would make her think that? She and Enzo have never been friends and I don't remember a single honorable thing he has ever done for her to inspire that statement. They are making Bonnie thirsty in that relationship.

 

 

That aside, I enjoyed the chemistry between Kat and Michael a lot. I have this weird way of knowing when I see 'Bonnie' on the screen, and when I see 'Kat' and that scene was all Kat. I also enjoyed seeing Matt and Bonnie (see what I did there) go Scooby-Dooing together. That dynamic was fun, and we rarely see those two interacting but whenever they do, it is solid gold. A part of me almost wishes that they had chosen to explore that relationship in a romantic way, too. Even though Matt dated Elena and Caroline, I always got the impression that he cared more about Bonnie than any of the other two girls. 

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So far this season I'm enjoying Bonnie when she's helping with the current crisis. But I could honestly do without the romance stuff with her this year. It's currently looking like she's pining after someone who isn't even interested in her. It's bad enough she's always gotten the short end of the stick as far as romances go on the show but to make her seem like the desperate one? That was never Bonnie. I am interested in seeing her working to figure out more about the stone and the sword. And I hope we see more magic from here. The heretics are getting to do all the cool spells.

 

And I hate that now that we are finally getting some Bonnie/Matt interactions he's pissed at her (and rightly so after the latest episode). 

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I feel like they should have taken care of Lily/Enzo first, I don't understand why there always needs to be some type of triangle on the show. I don't think Bonnie is looking desperate maybe its only me but there seems to be mild interest coming from both Bonnie and Enzo, hopefully we can move on from Lily.

One thing that's frustrating is that the show cannot handle many interactions what happened to the Bamon scenes also when was the last time Bonnie/Stefan interacted?

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Elena is gone, Caroline is pregnant and Bonnie STILL can't get a decent story/love interest?

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One thing that's frustrating is that the show cannot handle many interactions what happened to the Bamon scenes also when was the last time Bonnie/Stefan interacted?

 

This is a very good point and something this show does all the freaking time. I get that they don't want to do romantic Bamon that's fine. But how many episodes has it been since Damon and Bonnie have spoken? For apparent best friends they aren't talking much at all. And I am blaming that on them trying to prop Bonnie/Enzo. It's supposed to be watered down Bamon anyway so I guess Enzo gets to be a love interest and a friend. Blech. I mean they basically dropped the Damon/Enzo friendship after Alaric came back anyway. 

 

I would love to see Bonnie/Stefan have some scenes together. I know Bonnie had her issues with him in the past. But that was ages ago in season 1. Of the vampires we've seen on the show Stefan would be one of the few Bonnie would be more open to trusting and being friends with. But I mean Matt went so many seasons without having a one on one scene with Stefan that I was literally shocked when they interacted early on this season because I was searching my brain for when that last happened and I couldn't even remember. 

 

This show can't keep that many balls in the air I guess. Which is a shame because they have a really great cast. 

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I'm actually good with the lack of Bonnie/Damon scenes because they were becoming ridiculous to me, especially as you say, we haven't seen much of Bonnie interacting with other characters. Stefan/Bonnie haven't had a conversation with each other since season 3. They were supposed to have been the close vampire/witch friendship on this show but the show-runners decided to make one more thing about Damon. If you watch season 1-2, it will shock you to realize how close Bonnie and Stefan were. Also Bonnie and Caroline have one scene in 7 episodes and that was mostly to talk about Alaric and Stefan. Which is per standard because the f/f dynamics on this show sucks. Bonnie hasn't interacted with any of the heretics except Oscar. And after Damon's revelation to her in the last episode, I would have expected a bigger confrontation between her and Lily but it ended up being a few sassy remarks. Bonnie has zero agency on this show, and whether the show makes her tag after Damon or tag after Enzo, it's not much difference in the end. 

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I like all 3 of the main female leads but Bonnie is my favorite. Despite her lack of focus of the 3 I've just always identified more with her character traits. Plus KG is just stunning. She looks particularly amazing this season. 

 

I hope we get more interactions with the heretics and Bonnie soon. Or at least Valerie. It would be nice to see her interact with more witches.

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I just saw the spoiler thread. I'll take that! This show is at its best when the characters aren't all isolated on their own little islands. That is sadly something that has happened to Bonnie a lot over the seasons. I'm glad she's mixing it up this season. 

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And if they make Bonnie/Nora romantic I'll love it even more. I think it would be a nice way to explain Bonnie's lowkey romantic/sex life compared with the other girls' if she's been a repressed gay/bi all this while. 

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Am I the only one that did not see the Bonora chemistry? I think Bonnie had more chemistry with Liv Parker in season 5. They should have made her the gay twin.


And if they make Bonnie/Nora romantic I'll love it even more. I think it would be a nice way to explain Bonnie's lowkey romantic/sex life compared with the other girls' if she's been a repressed gay/bi all this while. 

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I did see the chemistry but I couldn't care for it after Nora attacked Bonnie without apologizing for it, and Bonnie was ready to over look all that and invite her to a party because Nora felt lonely. Bonnie's characterisation has been ridiculous this season.

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Am I the only one that did not see the Bonora chemistry? I think Bonnie had more chemistry with Liv Parker in season 5. They should have made her the gay twin.

I didn't see it either, they're forcing it. Although I do see it with Enzo, they're forcing it there as well to take the focus off Bamon like always. *sigh*

Aside: I will always be grateful that Chloe Sullivan was finally able to secure a hottie for herself in Green Arrow and I floved their ship but I will always remember that it was partly strategic in an effort to diminish any romantic ties Chloe could have had with Clark to make way for Lois. This Bonenzo thing in lieu of Bamon feels quite a bit like that.

If Bonnie is representative of any character, repeatedly ignored, abused, deus-ex-machina while denied any social ties or sexual agency of her own then she is most certainly Chloe Sullivan in this scenario.

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I posted this elsewhere and wanted to bring it over here!

 

I still have no idea which personality traits Bonnie is supposed to have other than, I guess, snarky but helpful when it comes down to it...? Like is she shy or outgoing, does she tend to follow her head or her heart, what are her interests outside of being a witch, what are her salient strengths and flaws...? But I've grown to really like her and her dynamic with Damon anyway.

 

ITA she's far too often reduced to a plot device, but I'm just so interested in who the writers even think she's SUPPOSED to be, you know?! Like even though Caroline, Stefan, Damon etc. are sometimes written inconsistently, I still have an idea of what their core personalities are---or, again, at least supposed to be. But who IS Bonnie Bennett aside from snarky and powerful and played by one of the most gorgeous actresses alive?! I really like her and want to love her, so I'd love to hear how people fankwank her and answers to some of my above rambling questions :) 

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I posted this elsewhere and wanted to bring it over here!

ITA she's far too often reduced to a plot device, but I'm just so interested in who the writers even think she's SUPPOSED to be, you know?! Like even though Caroline, Stefan, Damon etc. are sometimes written inconsistently, I still have an idea of what their core personalities are---or, again, at least supposed to be. But who IS Bonnie Bennett aside from snarky and powerful and played by one of the most gorgeous actresses alive?! I really like her and want to love her, so I'd love to hear how people fankwank her and answers to some of my above rambling questions :)

Bonnie's personality is Magical Negro mixed with Sassy Black Best Friend. Which means she's anything that said best friend's crisis needs her to be - be it Elena or Damon. Or Elena turning into a Vampire or Damon needing someone to bring someone back from the dead. Watch her contradict herself, retcon her principles and figuratively twist herself into pretzels to fit whatever plot device she needs to be. She has no interests, no dreams, no personal life rules. Her personality is to be a tool.

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I'm watching Underground on WGN, a show about runaway slaves and in contrast to Vampire Diaries, it really highlights how badly written Bonnie Bennett s character has been, especially in season 7. The enslaved women on that show have far more agency and self actualization than a powerful 21st century witch.

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Ouch! That's harsh but true. The show has treated the character very poorly over the years. It's been so apparent that it's usually just a running gag at this point even when people are reviewing the show. I think Bonnie's situation as a character was really encapsulated when she was dead and on the other side. You'd see her there watching everyone do things, like Elena & Caroline at college. But none of them could see her. Unless she's needed very few characters care about her well being the way they do some of the other characters on the show. And her extended family and the losses she has suffered have NEVER gotten the attention they deserve. I mean how sad is it that she is an original character and we've never known what she ever wanted to do with her life. Being a witch is not a job. We know Elena wanted to be a doctor, we know Caroline was into acting. But Bonnie? Outside of occult interests nothing. 

 

With that said I do think we've seen the character grow from season 1 until now. I attribute a lot of that to KG though. Bonnie was beyond background when the show started. She was kind of an air head and silly/cute. Her role expanded once they made her a foil to the vampires (especially Damon). 7 seasons in I think her biggest character trait is being self sacrificing to her own detriment. That's been the one constant for her. I was hoping she would be a bit more concerned with herself when she got out of the prison world but clearly that didn't happen. 

 

I just started watching The Originals and I wish they had let Bonnie cross over there a few times. 

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Kat is coming back for Season 8, but said that would be her last. Apparently Ian Somerhalder said somewhere that Season 8 would be the end of the series, but that isn't official yet, I don't think?

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In season 6, Bonnie manages to grab the cure from 1994. But how? There are a couple of things she needed to do it the first time. Expression and Silas. Well, we know that she absorbed Quetsuyah's magic from the stone, but that wasn't Expression. And in the prison world, there were no people there, including humans, witches, vampires, werewolves, and hybrids. So how was she able to get the cure if he wasn't there?

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