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8 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

 It's a workplace condition.   It HAS to be bargained for. 

I was thinking more along those lines too. Even though the NFL is a private corporation, I think it still is excessive in restricting speech, but that's not the strongest argument. 

Or just not play the anthem at every single thing all the time in this country. I feel good enough about my patriotism that I don't need to proclaim it every five minutes. 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

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ATLANTA -- NFL owners have unanimously approved a new national anthem policy that requires players to stand if they are on the field during the performance but gives them the option to remain in the locker room if they prefer, it was announced Wednesday.

The policy subjects teams to a fine if a player or any other team personnel do not show respect for the anthem. That includes any attempt to sit or kneel, as dozens of players have done during the past two seasons. Those teams will also have the option to fine any team personnel, including players, for the infraction.

All 32 owners approved the policy, which will be part of the NFL's game operations manual and thus not subject to collective bargaining. The NFL Players Association said in a statement that it will review the policy and "challenge any aspect" that is inconsistent with the CBA.

 

 

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So what about if they raised a fist? 

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6 minutes ago, ganesh said:

So what about if they raised a fist? 

How about if they turn their backs on the flag? Or wear headphones?

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The article also mentions:

Some important details remained unclear in the hours after the policy's approval, including the specific fine that teams would be subject to and also how the league will define respect for the flag.

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Yeah, see, I don't believe the league has the authority to "define respect", and that seems like a workplace issue that should be negotiated. That's why I think you have to sue. This smacks of a slippery slope. 

Copied from FB (not my original idea but I love it)
"Why is one “Religious Freedom” and the other “Disrespectful to our Flag and Country”?"

 

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By fining the teams, and not the players, they're forcing the entire league to march in goose step, whether the individual teams agree with the decision or not.

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Jed York of the 49ers did not vote on the anthem decision.

Christopher Johnson of the Jets said the team will not take any action against players who kneel or don't, and if the team is fined, they will pay the fine.

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Arthur Blank said raising a fist will be considered protest.

The NFLPA's biggest argument (besides workplace condition) is the League is heading on almost 100 years old.   In 2009 they began requiring teams to be out on the field due to the NFL being paid by the military for the display.    Since it was just hunky dory for almost 90 years to not even be on the field, you can't suddenly saya this is a HUGE FREAKAING deal if someone quietly kneels.   

Then there are all the camera men who are moving around to get angles and other people moving.   Are THEY being disrespectful?

The NFL opened a HUGE can of worms with this.   TWhey could have just said "we prefer players to stand respectfully but we respect their right to peacefully and quietly protest injustice."   The kneeling thing was going away anyway.   If they had just ignored it it would have died out as a protest on its own power.

 

BTW, what does THIS stance do to Kaepernick's collusion case.   Sure sounds like the owners agree that protests are bad.  

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According to a NFL writer I saw on Twitter, there is one big fat orange reason why they are sticking their heads up their ass about this issue.  

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No, that's been all over the news. It's not like it's difficult to figure out the motivation here. 

This really needs to be fought with all the resources the NFLPA has just because it's such a slippery slope imo. They should be screaming racism and getting the ACLU involved. 

Plus, what if I'm a fairly rich player and offer to pay the fines for my team? 
 

Plus, the league needs to be taken down a peg. 

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This is something all the teams should be protesting but there is no way they all will.

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Laurent Duvernay-Tardif of the Chiefs has just gotten his medical doctor decree.  He's the first active NFL player to be a physician.

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17 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif of the Chiefs has just gotten his medical doctor decree.  He's the first active NFL player to be a physician.

He’s petitioning the league to put MD on the back of his jersey. Now that the story is out there, I certainly hope they let him do it, or they will look like bigger assholes.

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Does he have the right to check on opposing players who are injured?

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58 minutes ago, Fukui San said:

Does he have the right to check on opposing players who are injured?

He would be covered under the Good Samaritan law, but who knows what private rules the NFL has. Good for him!

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1 hour ago, Fukui San said:

Does he have the right to check on opposing players who are injured?

Probably not because you still need to get a license to practice iirc. And that's state based.

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That's still 8 home games, plus 2 exhibitions.  Unless, of course, he gets his license in Kansas....  But good for him!

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16 hours ago, Fukui San said:

Does he have the right to check on opposing players who are injured?

He probably hasn't passed the boards he needs to take.  The first two are taken during medical school but the third is usually taken during the internship/first year of residency which he won't get to until he has finished with full time football.

But I don't know why he would do more than anyone would do since there are numerous medical professionals with more experience with sports injuries who can be out on the field in probably about the same time it'd take for him to get to the injured player.

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On 5/23/2018 at 11:20 PM, mojoween said:

According to a NFL writer I saw on Twitter, there is one big fat orange reason why they are sticking their heads up their ass about this issue.  

It was so obvious and that is so sad that they were persuaded by that idiot with a hairpiece in the White House. Let the players do what they want. I’m in the military and I don’t feel one ounce of disrespect from players taking a knee during the anthem. It’s nothing against the military, it’s for social injustice against minorities. But, who cares about that shot when we have a business to attend to

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I haaaaaated the 49ers in the late 80’s and The Catch was a few years before I started paying attention, and yet it’s still a punch in the gut to see that Dwight Clark has passed away.

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61 is far too young.    Cancer may suck but ALS is right up there with it.

Found out over dinner and almost started crying.

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I hope the Eagles stay strong and continue to treat Trump's temper tantrum with a shrug and a whatever worthy of a 13 year old.

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Philadelphia’s mayor is certainly doing his part.

As a 30+ year Giants fan, this kindred I have felt for the Eagles since February is dirty and unsettling.

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On 6/5/2018 at 4:34 PM, mojoween said:

Philadelphia’s mayor is certainly doing his part.

As a 30+ year Giants fan, this kindred I have felt for the Eagles since February is dirty and unsettling.

I know.   Dammit, do not make me like the Eagles.

Signed a Cowboys Fan.

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6 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Oh lord, I didn't even think of that.    Well that's reason 4334 why TO isn't going to Canton.    Two big egos on the same stage, I don't think the universe can handle it.   

So, the article says TO visited Canton/The HOF recently and it was after that visit that he decided he wouldn't attend but instead would plan his own celebration elsewhere.  Anyone wanna bet that he wanted to be first among equals and presented a list of requirements to TPTB that they declined to meet?  I presume they wouldn't let him speak first, or get unlimited time or let him sit on a throne center stage during the ceremony or something equally self-aggrandizing, so he threw a hissy to try to get his way.  Good for the HOF for calling his bluff, reminding everyone that his decision is unprecedented and then announcing that he will not be discussed again. Famewhores gotta famewhore.

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OK, TO has finally descended to Shatner levels of self parody with this stunt. My guess is, either they wouldn't let him have his own merch table, or he was told that if he attends the ceremony, he would no longer be eligible to play in the NFL. I really think he believes he can still play.

Or maybe he's going to use that day to start his campaign to be elected to Cooperstown.

Michael Irwin's comment in that article was priceless.

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I've always found TO's treatment by the media to be massively hypocritical and borderline abusive, so I don't blame him for not wanting to go. It's not a requirement. So more people are making fun of him now, rather than maybe reaching out to him to talk one on one, which I think proves his point. 

I do hope the plant services at the HOF installs a heavy duty HVAC system because they're going to need to bleed out all that hot air when Lewis starts bloviating. 

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11 hours ago, MarkHB said:

OK, TO has finally descended to Shatner levels of self parody with this stunt. My guess is, either they wouldn't let him have his own merch table, or he was told that if he attends the ceremony, he would no longer be eligible to play in the NFL. I really think he believes he can still play.

Or maybe he's going to use that day to start his campaign to be elected to Cooperstown.

Michael Irwin's comment in that article was priceless.

Apparently Induction Weekend is incredibly expensive for Inductees.   You have hotels and tickets to the ceremony for family and you are expected to have a big private party to thank everyone.    Usually the team most associated with the Inductee helps foot the bill.    Because TO nuked every team he played for on the way out the door, no team wanted to help.   He wasn't going to foot the bill himself (if he can even afford to) so he decided to not show up.   Which sure it's not a requirement, but the FANS who defended him right and left despite his behavior may have already bought tickets to see him inducted.   It's a big FU to the fans.   

He may also not have wanted to share the spotlight with the other Inductees.   Me O first and always.

 

(little of column A, little of column B)

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TO whining about not getting in, then getting in, then deciding not to go is the most TO thing ever.....

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7 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Apparently Induction Weekend is incredibly expensive for Inductees.   You have hotels and tickets to the ceremony for family and you are expected to have a big private party to thank everyone.    Usually the team most associated with the Inductee helps foot the bill.    Because TO nuked every team he played for on the way out the door, no team wanted to help.   He wasn't going to foot the bill himself (if he can even afford to) so he decided to not show up.   Which sure it's not a requirement, but the FANS who defended him right and left despite his behavior may have already bought tickets to see him inducted.   It's a big FU to the fans.   

He may also not have wanted to share the spotlight with the other Inductees.   Me O first and always.

 

(little of column A, little of column B)

Fair enough; I didn't realize the part about the financial outlay.  And the big bugaboo would have been the Charlie Brown moment when no one showed up at his afterparty.

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While I feel like TO is acting like a shithead with his decision, any of the writers who whinge about it and yet embrace Murderin’ Ray Lewis all weekend are dead to me.

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On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 8:31 AM, merylinkid said:

Apparently Induction Weekend is incredibly expensive for Inductees.   You have hotels and tickets to the ceremony for family and you are expected to have a big private party to thank everyone.    Usually the team most associated with the Inductee helps foot the bill.    Because TO nuked every team he played for on the way out the door, no team wanted to help.   He wasn't going to foot the bill himself (if he can even afford to) so he decided to not show up.   Which sure it's not a requirement, but the FANS who defended him right and left despite his behavior may have already bought tickets to see him inducted.   It's a big FU to the fans.   

He may also not have wanted to share the spotlight with the other Inductees.   Me O first and always.

 

(little of column A, little of column B)

Is that really a requirement though? 

How big a family do you need there and how much could some hotel rooms cost?  A couple thousand dollars?   

And he doesn't have to throw a big party.  I would bet most would understand if he didn't.   

Sounds like a lame excuse.  Like most of his excuses though, so as expected. 

But hey, it fits his history.  Huge talent, class A butthole.  why change things now?

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3 hours ago, mojoween said:

While I feel like TO is acting like a shithead with his decision, any of the writers who whinge about it and yet embrace Murderin’ Ray Lewis all weekend are dead to me.

That's probably going to be all of them, but I'm with you. For all intents and purposes, it seems that TO didn't get in on the first ballot because people thought he was a jerk. I find that really troublesome because it seems like the HOF voters are kind of sending a message that a player needs to "know his place" if he's going to be voted in the hall. I don't know the demos of the voters, but that's a bad look to me. I'm surprised there's no other players calling the voters out. 

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Oh noooooooo.  Cam Newton is no longer the Dannon Oikos spokesman.

Dak Prescott is.  Now I have to rethink all of my life choices.

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