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All Episodes Talk: 59 Riveting Episodes At That!

A place to discuss particular episodes, arcs and moments from the show's run. Please remember this isn't a complete catch-all topic -- check out the forum for character topics and other places for show-related talk.

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Why did they always do time jumps? I am not sure it worked for this show for me.

I loved Tate Donovan's character.

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Why did they always do time jumps? I am not sure it worked for this show for me.

I loved Tate Donovan's character.

I was thinking of that also... time jumps and suicides. Not that I minded all that much but it caused me to replay some episodes.

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I just finished season one and I loved it and am starting season 2. Wish there was some discussion about the show, but I realize it's old.

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I just finished season one and I loved it and am starting season 2. Wish there was some discussion about the show, but I realize it's old.

You can discuss it with me. I just finished the entire series. Binged watched it last week...

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Ok, but remember I have just finished one season so do not want spoilers! Do we know for sure that Patty tried to kill Ellen? And why was her son home that night and why did he lie about it? These are two things that left me confused.

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No spoilers here. I mistakenly read one on my favorite show and it devastated me.

 

The answers to your questions involve too many episodes so I will refrain. 

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I guess there may not be discussion until many more episodes have been watched since the plotting is so intricate. About the storyline. How about that Cocoa, cutest dog ever!!

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I LOVE this show. It had its ups and downs but I'm glad it ended on a high note. Season 5 was great. The best after the first season (which is hard to beat). I also really loved season 3 which seems somewhat unpopular.

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I never bought Ellen as a foil for Patty. Neither the character nor the actress could stand up against Patty or Close. It seriously made it not 100% enjoyable for me. I loved the show but it would'be been better if Ellen was written stronger and/or if a better actress played her. Close is a powerhouse. Byrne is very much...not.

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Ok, but remember I have just finished one season so do not want spoilers! Do we know for sure that Patty tried to kill Ellen? And why was her son home that night and why did he lie about it? These are two things that left me confused.

 

I watched all of the seasons when they were first on, and though I don't remember a lot of details I'm pretty sure "these are x things that left me confused" is something you will be saying a lot :)  I enjoyed every season of the show.

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I am through season 3 now. I will say that I found it infinitely better than season 2. I do think the show is a bit heavy-handed sometimes with the frequent time jump reminders, but I found the resolution of the various plot lines to be pretty satisfying.

I think I wish the time jumps didn't exist at all though. Tom's death in the finale would have been a truly shocking, raw moment if it had all played out in sequence. But since it had been played up all season, you're just kind of numb to it. I really liked Tom's character. I agree that Ellen is kind of the weak link.

I can't tell if I'm supposed to root for Party as a main character or not. Deliberately disobeying doctor's orders in order to kill your unborn child is a pretty terrible thing to get past. But I suppose it can't be all black and white.

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I just started rewatching and I remember the reason why I loved it so much. While Byrne is nowhere near the actress Glenn Close is, she and Glenn have insane chemistry. I've never seen a TV show that has such sexual tension and chemistry between two females who are not in a relationship, and who's played mentor-mentee for most of the time.

 

Their back-and-forth banter makes the series worth rewatching again and again.Lots of double entendre between the two. I think this may be the one I liked the most:

 

Patty: So you're not mad I replaced you?

Ellen: Patty, you hired someone. You didn't replace me.

 

My favorite is Season 1. Season 3 was great up until the finale, I was just mostly WTF with that. I think the series ended ok, but I wish it would have been better, if that makes sense. The less said about Season 2, the better. Ugh, all that momentum and goodwill from Season 1 washed away by the stink of that season.

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And that's a wrap.  5 seasons in the books.  Overall it was a very good show.  FAR from perfect, but greatly enjoyable.

 

I did not particularly care for season 4, until the last few episodes.  Way too many times that season of the bad guys about to go down until some magical twist in the last 2 minutes of the episode that saved them for another week.  Though I did like the resolution.

 

Season 5 was good.  I literally just finished the finale, so I think it may need time to sink in a little bit, but overall I'm not sure I liked it.  I was actually very excited for the McLaren trial to begin since we've spent the whole season building up to it, and all of a sudden it ends before it begins.  And I was thinking it was kind of amazing that for a legal show, I don't think we were ever actually in a trial until that brief cameo in the finale.

 

As for the rest of the episode, I understand they wanted a continuity factor of Patty and Ellen talking on the same dock they did at the end of prior seasons, but was that place unavailable or something?  The green screen effect was HORRIBLE and really took me out of the scene.  I didn't really think Michael's death was earned.  I understand that he abandoned his child for the first few years of her life, but I had kind of migrated over to his team as the show went on (I guess Patty being such a horrible person could be responsible for that).

 

The story of the show was very good, but I must admit that the format of how it was told really grated on me by the midpoint of the second season.  The flash forwards served no purpose other than to continually yell "gotcha!" to the viewers, and endlessly supply cliffhangers.  There were a lot of cheap editing tricks at work, which really annoyed me when the core show underneath it was really good.  There was also some really cringe-worthy dialogue from time to time, but I guess that's standard for any show.  Overall, the Patty and Ellen dynamic is what holds the show together, and although Byrne can't stand up to Close, it's fascinating to watch these two characters evolve over the course of the series.

 

This had always been on my Netflix bucket list, and I'm glad I finally got around to it.  Pretty good stuff.

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