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All Episode Talk: Season Two

I wrote that I think she treats them like they're lucky she gave birth them. In other words, they'll never be grateful enough in her mind, especially Candace.

 

I think a sensible mother would once they realize and accept that they can't control another adult's behavior. Is any of the shite-talking Hanna does to and about Candace having any affect on Candace at all? Doesn't look like it to me and in fact it seems to provoke her more. Maybe Hanna should leave Candace to God and worry about her own life.

 

I doubt Candace has any real concept of love at all since she probably didn't grow up with any. And I think her behavior is more about trying to get love than show it. Note that that's mainly how Oscar/Brandon lured her in: he convinced her that in spite of her shady background he still cared for her and it wasn't just about the sex.

 

This I agree with. One wonders why David and Katheryn don't have the same fears about Veronica and Jim. AFAIC, Candace, Ronnie, and Jim are all gangsters and prone to do bad things to get what they want. The only difference IMO is the Cryers and Harringtons are rich, have social status, and can hide in their mansions while Candace is poor and will probably never be viewed as anything but a well-dressed hood rat and minor Savannah criminal.

 

Candace paid off the mortgage and Hanna's other major bills with the money she got the first time she blackmailed Jim. The house is Hanna's free and clear, or at least what's left of it is.

I don't care about Candace's sob stories. She's grown and most of the time she's in the wrong... period. And as far as Hanna not loving Candace I don't agree with that because when they were talking about all that Hanna had been through with Candace while she growing up Hanna was always trying to help that girl but she just wouldn't stop and still hasn't. Your giving parenting tips but I don't it's easy to keep quiet and watch your child hit a brick wall.

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Hanna was always trying to help that girl

I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.

 

Your giving parenting tips but I don't it's easy to keep quiet and watch your child hit a brick wall.

A lot of things about life aren't easy, and Candace is no longer a child. I think it's a guaranteed source of frustration and bitterness to try to control things that are beyond your control.

 

Perhaps we should agree to disagree since neither of us is likely to change our minds about Hanna and we both appear willing to debate it indefinitely.

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I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.

 

A lot of things about life aren't easy, and Candace is no longer a child. I think it's a guaranteed source of frustration and bitterness to try to control things that are beyond your control.

 

Perhaps we should agree to disagree since neither of us is likely to change our minds about Hanna and we both appear willing to debate it indefinitely.

If you go back to late season 2 or I think early season 3 there was a conversation between Hanna and Candance and Hanna listed all the messes Candace got herself into and the times Hanna tried to help her. And it's good that you have such a calm approach to parenting but I would imagine it's not that simple for everybody.

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I got my answer a few pages back that there have been scenes where Hannah has praised the talents of her daughter. She actually has commented at the very least to Benny that Candace could do great things with her life, that she would make a talented lawyer. She has showm remorse for what happened to Candace as a child, the molester boyfriend was jailed etc. Unless this poster was wrong, that's what they told me in response to my question as to whether Hannah had ever had anything positive to say about her daughter other than criticism since I have not watched this show consistently.

 

I also got confirmation from a poster that Candace did buy a car for her mother in secret because she did not like seeing her standing in the rain at the bus station after a hard days work. They didn't show Hannah standing in the rain at the bus stop, but I've been watching long enough to know she's no stranger to taking the bus. But said poster did say that it was shown that Candace did purchase a car for her mother. But again, the problem is how she got the money to do so, that seems to be the recurring theme with Candace. 

 

At any rate, if I take all this evidence and do the math it all adds up to love.  While math isn't my strong suit this equation seems simple to me, beneath it all both mother and daughter love one another. 

 

Except Candace keeps making very high risk decisions and she's got to start easing up on making these kinds of choices because they hurt her and the love ones that surround her. 

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I got my answer a few pages back that there have been scenes where Hannah has praised the talents of her daughter. She actually has commented at the very least to Benny that Candace could do great things with her life, that she would make a talented lawyer. She has showm remorse for what happened to Candace as a child, the molester boyfriend was jailed etc. Unless this poster was wrong, that's what they told me in response to my question as to whether Hannah had ever had anything positive to say about her daughter other than criticism since I have not watched this show consistently.

 

I also got confirmation from a poster that Candace did buy a car for her mother in secret because she did not like seeing her standing in the rain at the bus station after a hard days work. They didn't show Hannah standing in the rain at the bus stop, but I've been watching long enough to know she's no stranger to taking the bus. But said poster did say that it was shown that Candace did purchase a car for her mother. But again, the problem is how she got the money to do so, that seems to be the recurring theme with Candace. 

 

At any rate, if I take all this evidence and do the math it all adds up to love.  While math isn't my strong suit this equation seems simple to me, beneath it all both mother and daughter love one another. 

 

Except Candace keeps making very high risk decisions and she's got to start easing up on making these kinds of choices because they hurt her and the love ones that surround her. 

The question going forward into season 4 is will that relationship move in a positive direction or continue in a negative one. I think it's the most interesting relationship on the show. And yes I can confirm that Hanna has spoken positive about Candace.

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If Hanna's house had not burned down, would we have had that rant in Candace's house?

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If Hanna's house had not burned down, would we have had that rant in Candace's house?

Hanna went to Candace house because she got confirmation from Benny that Candace paid for his house and his tow yard. Which also meant that Candace had Benny lying to her. Her house wasn't the main reason she went over there.

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I finally sat down and watched the season finale this morning.  Between this and the episode where Jim made a pass at Maggie, I'm both impressed and amused that you could almost literally see this damn show saying "Oh...yeah...Jim's supposed to be this unsympathetic big bad, right?  We're going to fix that right now."  Which mostly included Jim's not-concession speech, surprisingly good and graceful as it was--and which had a question mark hovering over it the size of Hanna's old house, between what appeared to either be him being as honest as he ever gets or going full sociopath and lying to everybody.

 

And I'm still not entirely sure which way the show leaned with that, since it was accompanied by the worst Walker, Texas Ranger-esque montage overlay ever of his orchestrated hits on three people...which is, for the third week in a row, a case for So Damn Ignorant.  And, somewhat more gracelessly, the show kind of sped through David deciding to run for governor as well on top of that--but since the whole damn thing ended on Jim, Katheryn, David and Veronica all being hauled off to jail by Jennifer Sallison, I imagine that was a victim of airtime.

 

The counterbalance of both Candace and Veronica being softened in the name of karma was both amusing and unsubtly sad, but unsurprising after the previous episode.  More so Candace, since this was the first time she's actually recycled any karma since Jim had Mama Rose snatch her up...and they went even more all in than with Jim.  She loses the remainder of the money she got from Jim via "Oscar"/Brandon, Quincy beats her up, and she's lost custody of her son to her mother...

 

...but then Jeffrey apparently killed Quincy to save her.  I won't even lie: this kind of pissed me off, even with the in-show aspect that he's pretty much her only friend besides Warlock.  But Quincy was definitely extraneous to the show at this point, so something was going to get him.  I just would have preferred it be a hailstone or locusts or something since he went after Hanna on a couple of occasions.

 

I'll give the show some credit for dotting a couple of Is, though.  Now Wyatt and Jeffery know about Veronica's thing with Benny (though of course Benny had to be the instigator for that last tryst, donchaknow, because men are weak on TP's shows).  Wyatt looked out for his boo and got him immunity on the whole hit-and-run thing.  And they did confirm that the properties Candace bought were indeed paid in full.

 

As for Hanna...Crystal Fox's Florida Evans thing was downright exhausting in this and the previous episode, justified as it was.  OTOH, even allowing for her raging sense of pride, I'm still amazed she took Q to a motel after Allyah confirmed she had custody of him; then again, knowing this show, she'll either end up at Benny's in the season opener or Candace will somehow end up with Q.  Either/or.

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I finally sat down and watched the season finale this morning.  Between this and the episode where Jim made a pass at Maggie, I'm both impressed and amused that you could almost literally see this damn show saying "Oh...yeah...Jim's supposed to be this unsympathetic big bad, right?  We're going to fix that right now."  Which mostly included Jim's not-concession speech, surprisingly good and graceful as it was--and which had a question mark hovering over it the size of Hanna's old house, between what appeared to either be him being as honest as he ever gets or going full sociopath and lying to everybody.

 

And I'm still not entirely sure which way the show leaned with that, since it was accompanied by the worst Walker, Texas Ranger-esque montage overlay ever of his orchestrated hits on three people...which is, for the third week in a row, a case for So Damn Ignorant.  And, somewhat more gracelessly, the show kind of sped through David deciding to run for governor as well on top of that--but since the whole damn thing ended on Jim, Katheryn, David and Veronica all being hauled off to jail by Jennifer Sallison, I imagine that was a victim of airtime.

 

The counterbalance of both Candace and Veronica being softened in the name of karma was both amusing and unsubtly sad, but unsurprising after the previous episode.  More so Candace, since this was the first time she's actually recycled any karma since Jim had Mama Rose snatch her up...and they went even more all in than with Jim.  She loses the remainder of the money she got from Jim via "Oscar"/Brandon, Quincy beats her up, and she's lost custody of her son to her mother...

 

...but then Jeffrey apparently killed Quincy to save her.  I won't even lie: this kind of pissed me off, even with the in-show aspect that he's pretty much her only friend besides Warlock.  But Quincy was definitely extraneous to the show at this point, so something was going to get him.  I just would have preferred it be a hailstone or locusts or something since he went after Hanna on a couple of occasions.

 

I'll give the show some credit for dotting a couple of Is, though.  Now Wyatt and Jeffery know about Veronica's thing with Benny (though of course Benny had to be the instigator for that last tryst, donchaknow, because men are weak on TP's shows).  Wyatt looked out for his boo and got him immunity on the whole hit-and-run thing.  And they did confirm that the properties Candace bought were indeed paid in full.

 

As for Hanna...Crystal Fox's Florida Evans thing was downright exhausting in this and the previous episode, justified as it was.  OTOH, even allowing for her raging sense of pride, I'm still amazed she took Q to a motel after Allyah confirmed she had custody of him; then again, knowing this show, she'll either end up at Benny's in the season opener or Candace will somehow end up with Q.  Either/or.

I don't think Hanna not wanting to stay at Benny's has anything to do with pride. She doesn't like or trust the way Candace got that money She doesn't know what's going to happen or what the consequences are going to be so she's trying to steer clear. 

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She did say something to that effect to Benny, but she's also always been a fairly proud character as well.  Bad combo in this case.

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Candace will get her money back maybe with another con or blackmail. I could not believe that Jim said that he went to church and was a god fearing man. Whatever while you are having people eliminated who crossed you.

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She did say something to that effect to Benny, but she's also always been a fairly proud character as well.  Bad combo in this case.

Yeah she's proud but I don't think that's the driving force behind her decision in this case. It's her distrust of anything to do with Candace.

Candace will get her money back maybe with another con or blackmail. I could not believe that Jim said that he went to church and was a god fearing man. Whatever while you are having people eliminated who crossed you.

Yeah I am sure getting that money back will be her main priority and her son will probably take a back seat. Funny thing is she gonna go hard for money that wasn't even hers to begin with.

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She still could use those pictures of Jim to get him to give her the money or she finds out that it was David that did this she could blackmail Veronica if she knew that her and Benny slept together

 

"We will get through this."? How do you get through your spouse setting your bed on fire while you're in it? Plus David knows she's been cheating on him with a guy half her age.

 

I take it the "we'll get through this is what Ronnie told David?" 

The second quote above says that David already knows she cheated with Benny (or someone).

 

I didn't see the finale (I can only watch at work and was off that night). So my questions are:

-- DOES David know about Veronica sleeping around? Do we know that for sure? And does he know it was Benny?

-- Does VERONICA know David knows? (If so, there goes one less reason for a blackmail attempt)

 

David already knows Veronica set the fire to get him....and he knows FOR SURE (yes?) that Ronnie set up the Wyatt rape (right?)....In my mind her sleeping with Benny (especially given that she was using him, and it wasn't a real relationship) is the LEAST of the things she's done in terms of a reason David should leave her. So he knows she: tried to kill him, physically assaults people, caused a scene in the bar, had someone raped -- and he stays...but she cheats on him with meaningless sex....oh and THAT is the last straw? We don't know that that is what will happen.....but I've been done with the David character for a while now.

 

I do eventually hope I get to see the finale, so I can see Jim's news conference first hand, and the reacts to it. David was suppose to have an announcement too, right? Was Jim supposed to go first and say he's not running...and then David say he is stepping up to run? But with Jim saying he's NOT getting out of the race, now David has to run against him, or stay second on Jim's ticket.

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I don't think David knows that she slept with Benny but Maggie confronted Veronica with the pictures of the both of them. David told Maggie to separate the ticket so he Will run against Jim

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As of the season finale, four people know Veronica's fooling around with Benny: Maggie, Hanna, Wyatt, and Jeffery.  Of course, now that the elder Cryers and Harringtons will likely spend the first episode or two of the next season in jail, that bombshell will just keep on getting delayed...

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IIRC, Vanessa spitefully told David she was cheating with a 23-year-old guy, she just didn't mention the guy's name. David doesn't know the guy is Benny. I'm thinking even if Maggie shows him the photos of Vanessa and Benny, David won't believe it until he sees them in the act. Even then he'll probably figure out a way to hand-wave it away; the guy swims daily laps up and down that river in Egypt. And now he has extra incentive to look the other way since he's decided he wants to fight Jim for the governor's seat. He and Ronnie need to present a united front publicly.

 

As of the season finale, four people know Veronica's fooling around with Benny: Maggie, Hanna, Wyatt, and Jeffery.

Plus Wyatt has their latest tryst on video.

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The show is commuting back in a couple of weeks.

 

But I'm really posting to ask…is is me …or is there no Oprah or OWN thread AT ALL on this site?

I've been looking and can't find a thing.

 

Oprah's doing a "commercial" for Weight Watchers. So apparently she's going to try to lose weight, AGAIN.

Which is fine, so am I….but I'm just surprised I haven't seen an Oprah thread in the "Talk genre" or one for any of her shows: "Super Soul Sunday," etc.

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Unlike TWOP (thank gawd) this site doesn't really try to sort shows into categories like Talk, Drama, Comedy, etc. I think the most likely place for a forum about OWN shows (in general since certain shows like THATHN, ILYIW, and Iyanla: Fix My Life have their own specific forum) would be the Network Talk forum. Under that heading you could set up a thread for OWN.

 

I'm looking forward to this show coming back. It actually seemed to be getting better while ILYIW has IMO turned into a joke on itself.

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Jeffrey trying to drive a stick was hilarious. His driving a stick while drunk, not so much.

"Nine is good." Subtle, TP.

Well now, looks like Ronnie owes her life to Candace since Quincy won't able to complete the hit. Lol, that's what happens sometimes when a job gets handed off to a cheap subcontractor.

Even if the houses and the tow yard are paid for they'll probably still have property taxes assessed every year. Candace doesn't have a job and surely Benny's business earnings won't cover it. Meanwhile, how long does self-righteous Hanna expect to hide her and little Q's living situation from CPS?

Wait, what? Did we know before now that David and DA Jennifer had a past together? Was that before or after he got married? If it was before she's been carrying that torch for an awfully long time. No wonder she's so bitter.

Oh FFS, how could Quincy still be alive after all this time and after losing so much blood? Is he a zombie now?

It's a damn shame Hanna is in this situation to begin with because of her nutty daughter.

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