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Aw, poor Ciara is a victim.  Boohoo.

Jesus, Sonny is an asshole.

JJ is such a a better person than Brady and Sonny.  He treats his ex with respect.

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1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I have always said that they reminded me of Kim and Shane.  I don't have a problem with being the lone Wilson lover on here..

From the little I know about Kim and Mr. Sheffield, I can't really see Will and Sonny being analogous.  Please show your work. ;)

And I don't think not liking the pairing now or thinking its run its course or whatever means you retroactively hate the original story that worked for you.  Again, shipping a pairing is not a blood oath to ship them forever.

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Just when I'm like ok I'm into this with Ben/Ciara, Ciara has to show what a stupid little shit she is and I'm out again. She sucks so hard.

The Wilson flashbacks really illuminated how shitty FS is now. 

I skipped most of this ep because I just really didn't care lol. 

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1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I am trying to find something good to say about Sonny, but, that flashback was just a reminder of bad the show destroyed Sonny and his innate goodness. It reminds of what they did to Will, years ago, before his murder. I am still nostalgic for original recipe Wilson, they had so much potential. I have always said that they reminded me of Kim and Shane. I don't have a problem with being the lone Wilson lover on here..

I'm not sure that you are alone. I thought their original pairing was a wonderfully involving and emotionally satisfying story, and I think both characters have been altered too much -- maybe not beyond recognition, but the changes never felt organic to me, and as a result, the destruction of their relationship felt very manipulated and plot-driven. We joked about the practically perfect Sonny Poppins, I think Sonny was a truly generous and good-hearted person in the beginning, and I don't see that nearly as much any more.

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40 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

From the little I know about Kim and Mr. Sheffield, I can't really see Will and Sonny being analogous.  Please show your work. ;)

And I don't think not liking the pairing now or thinking its run its course or whatever means you retroactively hate the original story that worked for you.  Again, shipping a pairing is not a blood oath to ship them forever.

Wilson were friends who fell in love like Kim and Shane.  They rushed Wilson too much for my liking and did not give them enough adventures.  Will like his Great-aunt Kim was troubled, struggled with self-esteem with a secret.  Sonny like Shane was like a knight in shining armor . Sonny had a temper and was quick to anger, but, had a good heart. Shane was like that as well.  Will like Kim was his own worst enemy with secrets and lies.  Shane and Kim had much better writing.  Their buildup was really good. They are my favorite couple of all time. They too got horrific writing.  

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2 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Aw, poor Ciara is a victim.  Boohoo.

Jesus, Sonny is an asshole.

JJ is such a a better person than Brady and Sonny.  He treats his ex with respect.

I think it's time to put JJ out front more and give him a lead role, rather than supporting.  

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Call me crazy but I didn't hate the Paul, Sonny, Will scenes nor did I think Sonny was a jerk--I think he genuinely went to Will's room to talk about the anti-Leo article he wanted Will to write and not to see if Will's memories came back.  Of course he would want Will to remember their life together but I also think he truly wanted Paul and Will's help to defeat Leo's con-game.  Again, call me crazy but I see hope that Sonny can act like a mature adult in how he deals with both Will and Paul.

Don't care one iota about Lani's pregnancy and the show really needs to move the Ciara and Ben scenes along--seriously, how long did it take him to actually leave the cabin, at least three scenes of him talking about getting supplies.  Good Lord!

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Ben sure took a long time leaving the cabin. Chances are he will run in to Rafe and Hope.

Ciara, you do need proper medical attention - a cast or a boot or whatever so your leg sets properly. The cabin probably hasn't been cleaned in a while. You are also dirty from meeting the road.

Don't really care about Lani or her baby - or soon to be preemie. Nice of JJ to be a mature adult about this.

Will, one memory does not a cure make. You know nothing about the serum or potion - getting your memories back may take a long time.

Sonny, you have lots of money - or rather grandfather Vic has lots of money. Surely there are some snoops on the street who can dig up dirt on Leo. The fact is, the lawsuit was pretty convenient.

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When an injured teenager is "rescued" by a recently released serial killer, it goes without saying that all sympathy would belong to the teenage girl, right?

Welllllllllll, not in this case.  I'm feeling far sorrier for Ben than I am that little snit, Ciara.  What a poisonous little witch she is, and dumber than dirt.  Since when is it a good idea to antagonize a serial killer?  

Run, Ben, run, and don't look back.

I love Kayla but not this storyline.

Lani?  Lani who?  

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10 hours ago, boes said:

When an injured teenager is "rescued" by a recently released serial killer, it goes without saying that all sympathy would belong to the teenage girl, right?

Welllllllllll, not in this case.  I'm feeling far sorrier for Ben than I am that little snit, Ciara.  What a poisonous little witch she is, and dumber than dirt.  Since when is it a good idea to antagonize a serial killer?  

Run, Ben, run, and don't look back.

 

LOL!! Yesterday reminded me why I find Ciara so annoying. Am I suppose to believe that she's so upset over a boy she had a five minute relationship with? Give me a break. And I agree, BOES! Who talks to someone that's  just been released from a mental hospital like that? She doesn't know what Ben is capable of doing. And what has Hope done to make you put her through this kind of hell worrying about you? Grow up, Ciara!

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Kayla needs to shut the door when she is doing her Kate uncover mission.   

JJ is beautiful. 

Ciara is hurt but not letting her family know she is ok is so cruel of her.   Hope finding that bike crashed up was hard to watch. 

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Today's episode?  All about Lani.  I'm serious, the entire god-forsaken episode featured Miss Lani Price and all of the Hortons gathering around to pray that she and the baby will be okay.

Lani, who has lied for months about the father of her baby gets treated like a precious jewel by her family while Theresa who sacrificed her liberty and happiness to protect her son and the man she loves, gets called a slut and whore by her loved ones.

Julie, who is gleeful at the thought of Gabi's being in prison and who doesn't care that Ari will be without her mother is practically in tears at the idea of Lani losing her baby.

I used to love it when Val was disdainful towards Lani and now she's scrubbing in on the C-section surgery because she's that deeply concerned and protective.

I just can't take the insane double standards and how anyone even remotely related to a Horton is treated like gold while everyone else is treated like garbage--sometimes I really hate this show.

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Why can't JJ be paired with Theresa or Gabi?

I understand couples break up on soaps and move onto other relationships, but why do the writers feel the need to completely ruin the characters or couples to do so.  I liked Will/Sonny, but I was okay with them moving onto other people.  It happens.  Especially when someone cheats, or dies, etc.

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1 hour ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Today's episode?  All about Lani.  I'm serious, the entire god-forsaken episode featured Miss Lani Price and all of the Hortons gathering around to pray that she and the baby will be okay.

Lani, who has lied for months about the father of her baby gets treated like a precious jewel by her family while Theresa who sacrificed her liberty and happiness to protect her son and the man she loves, gets called a slut and whore by her loved ones.

Julie, who is gleeful at the thought of Gabi's being in prison and who doesn't care that Ari will be without her mother is practically in tears at the idea of Lani losing her baby.

I used to love it when Val was disdainful towards Lani and now she's scrubbing in on the C-section surgery because she's that deeply concerned and protective.

I just can't take the insane double standards and how anyone even remotely related to a Horton is treated like gold while everyone else is treated like garbage--sometimes I really hate this show.

I am not the biggest Lani fan, but,  Lani has not done anything to the Horton family to deserve their scorn. What happened in her relationship with JJ was a private matter. Plus, there is an innocent baby involved, who did not ask to be born. I see no problem with the Hortons rallying around Lani to give her support.  Plus, this is also Eli's child.. Tom and Alice's first great great great great grandchild. 

Theresa does not get along with her family and does not care about mending fences with them. Whenever, she speaks about Roman or Kayla, it is with derision. I have never heard her express anything about Bo's death.  She was nonplussed about Will's death.  She has never talked about her brother Andrew or Stefanie who she grew up with, like a sister.  I doubt the Brady family even know about what she had gone through in Mexico.  It is sad to me because I remember how close Bo, Roman, Rojohn,Kim and Kayla were. They had issues like all siblings, but, you never had any doubt that they loved each other.. The Brady family was always my favorite, I loved Papa Shawn's Irish accent. It made him so different and I loved that, the most about him..

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17 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

I am not the biggest Lani fan, but,  Lani has not done anything to the Horton family to deserve their scorn. What happened in her relationship with JJ was a private matter. Plus, there is an innocent baby involved, who did not ask to be born. I see no problem with the Hortons rallying around Lani to give her support.  Plus, this is also Eli's child.. Tom and Alice's first great great great great grandchild. 

Theresa does not get along with her family and does not care about mending fences with them. Whenever, she speaks about Roman or Kayla, it is with derision. I have never heard her express anything about Bo's death.  She was nonplussed about Will's death.  I doubt the Brady family even know about what she had gone through in Mexico.  It is sad to me because I remember how close Bo, Roman, Kim and Kayla were. They had issues like all siblings, but, you never had any doubt that they loved each other..

I agree.  I think they can be made at Lani for lying to JJ, but at the end of the day this baby will still be a Horton through Eli.  I also don't have an issue with Valerie being supportive.  Her issue with Lani was her keeping the paternity a secret and cutting Eli out.  That isn't a factor anymore.  Also this is her first grandchild and she is just as invested in the baby being healthy as anyone else.

I think this would actually be Alice and Tom's first great great great grandchild (3).  At first I was going to say that Ali was but I forget that generationally she, Claire and Eli are paired.

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I don't care that the Hortons are supportive of Lani, I care that the Hortons pick and choose who they are supportive of and who they talk down to.  If Lani's cheating on JJ and getting pregnant with Eli's baby is such a private matter, then Theresa's leaving Brady and Tate should also be private but instead we have Hortons (Jennifer, Maggie) making nasty comments to Theresa.   I do get that this is Valerie's first grandchild, but she doesn't have to be practically cooing over Lani to show her support.

And when I said Theresa's loved ones, I meant Eve and Brady specifically and not her family that she barely interacts with (Kayla, Roman), and let's not forget that when Kayla speaks of Theresa, she doesn't exactly use loving tones either--much like Kayla not seeming to care that Sami was cheated on, Kayla's not always behind her Brady relatives.  And I'm not sure why Theresa is being pointed out for not reacting to Bo's death--did Kim and Shane even show up for the funeral?  

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30 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I don't care that the Hortons are supportive of Lani, I care that the Hortons pick and choose who they are supportive of and who they talk down to.  If Lani's cheating on JJ and getting pregnant with Eli's baby is such a private matter, then Theresa's leaving Brady and Tate should also be private but instead we have Hortons (Jennifer, Maggie) making nasty comments to Theresa.   I do get that this is Valerie's first grandchild, but she doesn't have to be practically cooing over Lani to show her support.

And when I said Theresa's loved ones, I meant Eve and Brady specifically and not her family that she barely interacts with (Kayla, Roman), and let's not forget that when Kayla speaks of Theresa, she doesn't exactly use loving tones either--much like Kayla not seeming to care that Sami was cheated on, Kayla's not always behind her Brady relatives.  And I'm not sure why Theresa is being pointed out for not reacting to Bo's death--did Kim and Shane even show up for the funeral?  

I mostly agree with you about Theresa's treatment but I think Jennifer and Maggie have a different perspective/vested interest because of their relationships to Brady, not necessarily having to do with them being Hortons.  Also I think that there is more "bad blood" with Theresa's schemes over the years than Lani's. 

There is also the history that Theresa has with those particular women's sons that I'm sure are a factor.

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26 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I don't care that the Hortons are supportive of Lani, I care that the Hortons pick and choose who they are supportive of and who they talk down to.  If Lani's cheating on JJ and getting pregnant with Eli's baby is such a private matter, then Theresa's leaving Brady and Tate should also be private but instead we have Hortons (Jennifer, Maggie) making nasty comments to Theresa.   I do get that this is Valerie's first grandchild, but she doesn't have to be practically cooing over Lani to show her support.

And when I said Theresa's loved ones, I meant Eve and Brady specifically and not her family that she barely interacts with (Kayla, Roman), and let's not forget that when Kayla speaks of Theresa, she doesn't exactly use loving tones either--much like Kayla not seeming to care that Sami was cheated on, Kayla's not always behind her Brady relatives.  And I'm not sure why Theresa is being pointed out for not reacting to Bo's death--did Kim and Shane even show up for the funeral?  

Agreed.  And I noticed the other day that Roman didn't know a thing about what Theresa had been through, which made literally no sense.  Caroline is supposed to be out in California with Kim and Shane and it surpasses belief that she doesn't know, that she wouldn't have talked to Roman about it - the son who is in the same town as Theresa, the son who was a cop, about a granddaughter she cares deeply about.  It makes even less sense that Kim and Shane wouldn't have clued Roman in on the whole thing once Theresa was freed.

It's almost as nonsensical as Kim and Shane not dropping everything and rushing to her side in Salem.

Julie's bias is almost old news - it's "dear Nick" and mostly, "Will, who again?", so her not giving a shit about anyone not connected to her makes sense for such a tiny brained and small hearted woman.  

But just imagine if it was Abigail who returned to town after leaving to be serially raped by a drug lord and being treated with the same disdain Theresa has been.  

Wouldn't happen, not in a million years.

So, yeah, there's some serious double standard going on in old Salem town.

6 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I mostly agree with you about Theresa's treatment but I think Jennifer and Maggie have a different perspective/vested interest because of their relationships to Brady, not necessarily having to do with them being Hortons.  Also I think that there is more "bad blood" with Theresa's schemes over the years than Lani's. 

I give Maggie a bit of a pass because of her relationship with Chloe, Parker's mom, but if Jennifer can be buddies with Eve, who slept with her son - remember the knock down, drag out fight when she walked in on Eve and JJ?, then her holding Theresa to a higher standard ....... well, at best, it fits with Jennifer's witch motif, I guess.

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17 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I mostly agree with you about Theresa's treatment but I think Jennifer and Maggie have a different perspective/vested interest because of their relationships to Brady, not necessarily having to do with them being Hortons.  Also I think that there is more "bad blood" with Theresa's schemes over the years than Lani's. 

There is also the history that Theresa has with those particular women's sons that I'm sure are a factor.

Oh believe me, I get that there's bad blood between Jenny, Mags and Theresa because of JJ, Dr. Tan and Brady, but there's a time to let the past go, especially when we learn that Theresa was a prisoner/sex slave for over a year.  Maggie and Jenn can hang onto their resentment or they could try and understand what Theresa's been through, and there doesn't seem to be much compassion coming her way.

Meanwhile, Lani hurts JJ terribly by not only cheating on him but also lying that he was the father of her baby and her family and friends act like nothing is amiss and are letting bygones be bygones.  It's rather jarring that one character gets forgiven and their sins swept under the rug while another has their nose rubbed in by everyone in town.

boes, I agree with your entire post, especially the bit about Abs.  

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Wow... I didn't see that coming but I'm not mad by the result what RC pulled.

It's clear with Lani's dream sequence Lani was never happy to be pregnant by Eli, she was stressed out and still guilt stricken about what she did to JJ.  I think this is far better story telling then the trash one I saw on Bold with Steffy's pregnancy the last several months.  Steffy's storyline was in this same direction but Liam and Steffy got the cliche happy ending with him being the father and Steffy taking him back despite everything he did.  I saw more steaks in the Lani pregnancy.  

I can't wait to see Lani's reaction tomorrow because it's definitely going to be heartbreaking. 😢

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21 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Wilson were friends who fell in love like Kim and Shane.  They rushed Wilson too much for my liking and did not give them enough adventures.  Will like his Great-aunt Kim was troubled, struggled with self-esteem with a secret.  Sonny like Shane was like a knight in shining armor . Sonny had a temper and was quick to anger, but, had a good heart. Shane was like that as well.  Will like Kim was his own worst enemy with secrets and lies.  Shane and Kim had much better writing.  Their buildup was really good. They are my favorite couple of all time. They too got horrific writing.  

I was a child watching Days with my mom in the late 80s.   Viewers of the soap were so spoiled with a variety of different couples.... Justin/Adrienne, Patch/Kayla, Shane/Kimberly.  All three couples on the surface seemed to be alike since it was the late 80s.. the height of the supercouple assembly line.. but each couple was different.  Adrienne was the poor girl from an abusive family that wasn't meek or inspid... Justin was from a wealthy family where he wasn't all good or all bad.  Patch came from a broken family and couldn't save himself growing up so he wanted to be a knight in shining armor.. Kayla came from a close knit family and appeared as fragile on the surface (I always saw Patch and Kayla as rescuing one another).   But my favorite couple though was Kim and Shane.. both strong willed, both stubborn, and both prone to jumping to conclusions... plus, you had the added bonus of step-daughter Eve (the real Eve, not this faux Eve who isn't the Eve I remember as a child).

 

To compare Wilson to those couples is kind of an insult, but at the same time, those couples had good writing, good performances, and build-up.

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49 minutes ago, boes said:

But just imagine if it was Abigail who returned to town after leaving to be serially raped by a drug lord and being treated with the same disdain Theresa has been. 

Seriously. What we did see waa how Abigail was treated when she returned after faking her own death because she didn't want to remain in the mental facility. They grieved for death but everything was just fine for all the Hortons that she lied to them and abandoned her son.

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I admit to getting teary-eyed when Kayla came out to tell everyone the baby did not make it....anything with babies or kids makes me emotional.

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Well damn. I'm indifferent to Lani but the end really got me. Valerie holding the baby's footprints broke my heart.

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37 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

I was a child watching Days with my mom in the late 80s.   Viewers of the soap were so spoiled with a variety of different couples.... Justin/Adrienne, Patch/Kayla, Shane/Kimberly.  All three couples on the surface seemed to be alike since it was the late 80s.. the height of the supercouple assembly line.. but each couple was different.  Adrienne was the poor girl from an abusive family that wasn't meek or inspid... Justin was from a wealthy family where he wasn't all good or all bad.  Patch came from a broken family and couldn't save himself growing up so he wanted to be a knight in shining armor.. Kayla came from a close knit family and appeared as fragile on the surface (I always saw Patch and Kayla as rescuing one another).   But my favorite couple though was Kim and Shane.. both strong willed, both stubborn, and both prone to jumping to conclusions... plus, you had the added bonus of step-daughter Eve (the real Eve, not this faux Eve who isn't the Eve I remember as a child).

 

To compare Wilson to those couples is kind of an insult, but at the same time, those couples had good writing, good performances, and build-up.

I know that Wilson cannot compare to the awesome supercouples.  I was just musing about why I had liked them originally.. Kim and Shane were also my favorite.  

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I knew JJ was going to be affected by the baby.

OF course Julie only does what she wants to do.

It sure looked like they are telegraphing JJ and Lani getting back together.

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Once I realized this whole ep was gonna be about Lani losing the baby, I just fast forwarded most of it. Mostly becasue I don't give one fuck about Lani or really anything related to this story besides JJ, but also because I'm not interested in watching a dead baby story.

33 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

It sure looked like they are telegraphing JJ and Lani getting back together.

BOOOOOOOOO!

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Ugh.  And entire episode devoted to a story I find so boring the spoilers for it send me into narcolepsy.  Yay.....zzzzzzzzzzzz.

45 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

It sure looked like they are telegraphing JJ and Lani getting back together.

Phhhtttth. I used to like them.  But watching Lani lie to him sort of soured me on that. 

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I would have preferred that the baby lived and Lani was the one to go.   That baby in the dream was just adorable.  

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5 minutes ago, sas616 said:

I would have preferred that the baby lived and Lani was the one to go.   That baby in the dream was just adorable.  

That baby would be gorgeous, look at the daddy..lol..

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7 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

She was nonplussed about Will's death.  She has never talked about her brother Andrew or Stefanie who she grew up with, like a sister.  I doubt the Brady family even know about what she had gone through in Mexico. 

Again, this is flaw of characterization, not a character flaw in Theresa herself; in other words, the failure is the writers', not Theresa's -- in my opinion.

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27 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Again, this is flaw of characterization, not a character flaw in Theresa herself; in other words, the failure is the writers', not Theresa's -- in my opinion.

The writers disassociated Theresa, from her family, by changing her name, from Jeannie to Theresa. As a diehard Kim and Shane fan, that was the first slap in the face. The name Jeannie is very important, in the Kim/Shane story.  I still remember Kim introducing her baby, to Shane and telling him that she named her after his mother Jeannie, the look on Shane's face, with their theme song, being played softly, was perfection..They made Theresa do horrible stuff, for no reason, just to make her a Sami clone.  Then, they threw Kim and Shane, under the bus, by giving her, a sob story of neglect and emotional abuse, to make her palatable. That kind of writing just pissed me off. No parents are perfect, but, I will never believe that Kim and Shane would ever hurt Andrew or Jeannie.  Not after everything, they went through with all three of their kids and I include their first daughter, who was stillborn. 

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I FF'd through most of Lani's 'dream'/road not taken, whatever. Wasn't really moved about the loss of the baby - stuff like this happens to a lot of people. It's a massive losss,.  A bad storyline doesn't get a happy ending. Unless of course, Dr. Rolf is somewhere around - I know, a bit not in the best spirit.

No, the whole Horton clan did not need to be at the hospital. Circling around the parking lot to find a spot? Lucas and Chloe really had no business being there. They could simply stay at the restaurant or go home and wait for a phone call. Jennifer's shoes seemed really chunky for that summer dress.

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6 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I know that Wilson cannot compare to the awesome supercouples.  I was just musing about why I had liked them originally.. Kim and Shane were also my favorite.  

I think the show and most people see them as such, although the formula was defied towards the end when Will was written OCC and Sonny kind of gave up but that had more to do with the poisonous writing. I would argue that they are myself, even though I'm not a huge fan of Sonny. They have definitely faced more obstacles than any of the modern couples in their age group. I don't think any couple on this show can compare to the couples that were written for back in the day, with the show barely keeping their head above water we sadly lost a lot of the great writing for the main couples. I think currently we're in for Will and Sonny, much like we're stuck with a pernament Chad and Abigail pairing (I wouldn't call Chabby a super couple though), since both couples have history and have already been established by previous regimens and proven successful to the mainstream audience. Both couples also have children together. Plus, you have two legacy Horton's paired each with a man who is next in line of each of the respective "crime" families that this show seems to be set on pushing. So, it all seems very cut and dry from here. They are really all the show has in terms of successful younger lead pairings in the past 8 years, that have been together off/on since they were teens from their age set. Years ago there would be 3-4 successful teen set pairings that would develop and evolve into adulthood, but the current 20-30s set only had two from 2011-today with one half of each of the two couples being core legacy characters "born onscreen characters". 

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As much as the Hortons can be "holier than thou" and I know most may not have liked it but I actually really loved the family being there for Eli.  That to me is old school soaps and Days in particular.  Eli hasn't been as immersed in the Horton landscape, outside of Julie, as much as I would have liked to see, but I really loved seeing everyone gather to support their family member and that is totally something the Hortons would do.

So as much as certain members may annoy me, I can appreciate them supporting each other as a family.  Isn't that what us fans want is the cohesiveness and history actually being shown on screen as opposed to characters telling us how much they like/love, see, and care about each other?

I mean we get annoyed when we don't see the whole cast show up for a character's wedding.  The Hortons gathering because an unborn child is in peril seems pretty accurate to me.

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Eli's first reaction to seeing that horde of Horton's was the right one.  I swear, you start feeding them and they NEVER go away.

I'd like to know why Julie hasn't dislocated her jaw with all blathering she does.  If she flapped those arms of hers anymore she'd be flying.   But isn't she just a dear??

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Whatever happened to Eli and Lani getting closer and closer like they were going to be a couple.  Did Corday stop that.

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