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Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

ETA: I keep reading that Bethenny's popularity took a major hit all over the place.

 

 

I think that assumption comes from how poorly her talk show did.  Is it true?  Could be, but not necessarily.  That show was bad & she was bad in it.  And she always had lousy, boring, uninteresting guests I never heard of & didn't care bout.  

 

Anyhoo, I'm not so sure it's whether she's lost her popularity (or not) that's so important.  It's whether she can stir up some drama with this now really boring cast.  If she can, then she'll save the show & Satan Andy was right to toss a million bucks at her.  It's possible, but honestly, I'm doubtful.  But B has nothin' to lose.  Nobody else is throwin' a million bucks her way & offering her the opp to plug her crap endlessly to peeps who supposedly like her & are the most likely suckers to buy her garbage.

 

And yeah, I agree that having Brynn on the show would help her tremendously in softening her hard, hard, hard, hard, hard edge.  I mean, no exaggeration -- sheesh, ya could slice your hand off on her hard edge.  Or maybe it's just not possible to soften Bethenny --- at all.

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I'm wondering if any of them would say to her (I know I would say this) -- "Thanks a fuckin' lot, Bethenny, for sicking that awful, horrible, lunatic woman Aviva on us".

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Actually, on Scary Island Kelly kept poking at B & over & over again. She was relentlessly trying to provoke her & insult her. As much as crazy Kelly was saying she was bullied (later on), she actually was the one who was acting like a bully. Sheesh, given her enormous size, & her masculine presence (I mean, is she on male hormones or was she actually born male & the kids were adopted?) and the fact that she was so clearly unbalanced, likely induced by drugs or booze or a combo of both, honestly I'd have been scared shitless to be on the receiving end of the crap B was getting from her. One thing I'll give credit to B for -- sometimes she just seems so fearless. Standing up to Amazon lunatic Kelly could not have been fun or easy.

Scoobs, I don't disagree that Kelly was poking, what with the whole "Al Sharpton!!!" thing then calling Bethenny a whore who doesn't use protection and saying that Bethenny wasn't a chef. Kelly was poking, but the night of the Al Sharpton "accusation" (?), Bethenny couldn't stop herself from continuing to engage Kelly even as Sonja tried to get her stop, saying something was going on with Kelly.

So to hear Bethenny talk now about how Aviva is soooo fragile because of her trauma and that she thinks Carole (and the others) shouldn't have engaged Aviva? I'm calling BS.

I'm one of the few who doesn't have a problem with Bethenny, but any defense of Aviva will make me start to look at Bethenny differently.

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Nah, although Sonja did say they were picking on the crazy person Bethenny actually did realize Kelly wasn't all there mentally, at which point she agreed that they needed to stop. She even went so far as to apologize to Kelly at the dinner for making her feel attacked and said she was sorry for anything that might have made Kelly feel like she was out to get Kelly or her children, which Kelly was vehemently claiming at the time.

 

Bethenny has certainly been capable of being awful, but she was pretty well behaved on Scary Island, given the circumstances. I'm actually impressed she didn't rip crazy Kelly to shreds when she started accusing Bethenny of going after her kids. Although I guess by that point, you start to realize the other person has mental issues beyond being a famewhore...

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You know who Bethenny really is?

A-Rod. Just sayn'

 

How?  Is she takin' 'roids?  I thought that was Kells.

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I like Bethenny just fine. And, she's great TV, because everyone has an opinion and wants to discuss her, even if just to register disapproval. I'm reminded of the old ATL threads where Kim was endlessly commented upon; though it was usually negative, she was mentioned more than the others, IMO.

There are people who arouse strong emotions and Bethenny is certainly one.

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 I'm reminded of the old ATL threads where Kim was endlessly commented upon; though it was usually negative, she was mentioned more than the others, IMO.

See, WE know this, and Beth knows this and that's why I think she's going to bring it this season.  She likes being mentioned more than anybody else. And if she's not being mentioned, she's going to jump right up on the stage with Jamie Foxx and make sure she will be. 

 

This was the same with Aviva - 99.99% of the commentary about her was negative, yet she was mentioned more than any of the others.  SHE knew that would be the desired result when she saw how she could provoke Carole.  So poke she did.

 

Beth is VERY polarizing.  I think she'll be a fun addition if we can keep our shit together, people. ;-p

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She is a high priced free agent who will not live up to expectations.

The thing is in the Housewives there is no Derek Jeter to root for as they all kinda suck.

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Bethenny may be polarizing, but at least half the people like her. Not the case at all with Aviva.

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That was the case before but she might have reached a tipping point. If she mixes it up with Carole for example then her (Carole's) rabid fans will go on the attack.

You can't go home again. It almost never works.

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I tend to agree with you TrooperYork about not being able to go back home, though I am very intrigued to see how this all plays out.

Is Ramona going to act like she and Bethenny are close and still see each other socially? Will LuAnn still act like she is Team Jill? The one thing I liked when B was a HW is that she always had enough going on in her personal life without making it all about fighting with the other HWs. It was Jill that created all the crap during B's last season and we all know how that turned out.

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Nah, although Sonja did say they were picking on the crazy person Bethenny actually did realize Kelly wasn't all there mentally, at which point she agreed that they needed to stop. She even went so far as to apologize to Kelly at the dinner for making her feel attacked and said she was sorry for anything that might have made Kelly feel like she was out to get Kelly or her children, which Kelly was vehemently claiming at the time.

 

Bethenny has certainly been capable of being awful, but she was pretty well behaved on Scary Island, given the circumstances. I'm actually impressed she didn't rip crazy Kelly to shreds when she started accusing Bethenny of going after her kids. Although I guess by that point, you start to realize the other person has mental issues beyond being a famewhore...

I'm not a fan of any of these women but I'd also like to point out that Bethenny was also in the early stages of what was described as a difficult pregnancy (though it wasn't bad enough for her to stay home under drs orders). Back in the day, pregnant, in the early stages and feeling like crap, my emotions, due to hormones, were all over the board. I recall scaring the hell our of my boss by bursting into tears one day and cussing him out the next--both seriously unlike me. Kelly clearly was having some sort of breakdown--likely should have been escorted home  before it happened but I'd suggest that Beth wasn't hitting on all cylinders herself.

 

And this is also ancient history. Kelly, thank god, is gone and I don't give a rat's ass about Beth.

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Beth does amuse and annoy me.  My biggest problem with her is that she's such a fame whore.  She's worse on that front than most of them, relentlessly pursuing the limelight no matter what.  And in her case, it's NO MATTER WHAT.  She's allowed her marriage and her parenthood to play out in the media and she loves it.  And that bugs me.  

 

Some of her one liners are amusing though.  And i think she's smart.  

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What I think will be very amusing once Bethenny returns is seeing what the discussion will be if Bethenny and Carole get into it. Carole has her rabid detractors as does Bethenny.

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My biggest problem with her is that she's such a fame whore.

My issue is not that Bethenny is a famewhore per se, but that she is a famewhore masquerading as someone who is not into the scene or going to glitzy events and then mocks other famewhores.

Bethenny is elitist and judgmental who portrays herself as down to earth and "of the people" and calls out other elitists and narrow-minded people.

Bethenny claims to own her flaws but she wants to dictate the flaws that she owns and if anyone points out other flaws that person is being mean to her and she goes into victim mode.

Basically Bethenny makes an effort to create a false image of herself but the worse thing is that she uses and calls out other people and their foibles in order to make herself look like the better person in comparison.

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I liked Bethany at first, she was funny and her friendship with Jill seemed real. Once she left to do her own show I stopped paying attention. Not because I hated her but I don't watch the "wedding/ baby" spin offs.

I will admit I'm pretty shocked she is coming back. I'm not sure why I'm shocked.

She has enough money to live a great life and do whatever she wants. These shows make everybody look bad eventually.

When you have had the great success Beth has had, money,talk show (yeah, it failed, but what HW had that opportunity?) You look thirsty trying to go back to where you first started. Maybe she needs the ego boost after all the fails ( show, marriage), I just think she should have passed.

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I don't think Bethenny is witty or exceptionally smart. Every witty thing she has said has been said by someone else before. She did not invent on single thing she says. She is just a walking talking repeating one liners from others. Balls to walls, go big go home, raised by wolves. She has all the catch phrases from different times down pat. Blerrgg. She irritates me.

 

I liked all the housewives when they first came on. But over time I thought that Jill was getting "excited" by being on the show. I think Bethenny was the puppet master in their friendship. She roped a doped Jill (oh I am so witty, not! That's a worn out phrase but just let Bethenny say it and she is oh so witty). I think Jill and Bethenny's friendship was fake on Bethenny's side. Bethenny does not do anything that is real with people. She out played Jill, she tried to out play Jason but she found out that he really does put his daughter first so she is not able to just pull the Jason abused me card. It's not working and I am glad he is giving her heck for everything. 

 

I dislike Bethenny Frankel a great deal. I agree with quinn. You have the same thoughts as I do about Bethenny.

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My issue is not that Bethenny is a famewhore per se, but that she is a famewhore masquerading as someone who is not into the scene or going to glitzy events and then mocks other famewhores.

Bethenny is elitist and judgmental who portrays herself as down to earth and "of the people" and calls out other elitists and narrow-minded people.

Bethenny claims to own her flaws but she wants to dictate the flaws that she owns and if anyone points out other flaws that person is being mean to her and she goes into victim mode.

Basically Bethenny makes an effort to create a false image of herself but the worse thing is that she uses and calls out other people and their foibles in order to make herself look like the better person in comparison.

This! I am standing and applauding you! You've described this awful woman perfectly.

I don't think Bethenny is witty or exceptionally smart. Every witty thing she has said has been said by someone else before. She did not invent on single thing she says. She is just a walking talking repeating one liners from others. Balls to walls, go big go home, raised by wolves. She has all the catch phrases from different times down pat. Blerrgg. She irritates me.

You forgot the oh so original "he put a ring on it".

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But I don't think that Bethenny ever acted like she created the catch phrases. They were clear phrases from pop culture (most of the time pop culture that was years and years and years ago) that she got hooked on.

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I am most curious to know the terms of the contract she signed with Bravo, is there a "Bethenny clause" in her new contract?

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I wonder if she wants her own bravo show? And had to agree to do RH first. Beth IMO wants be to be the number one star. That is why I was surprised by her return.

In Bravo Land Beth is a superstar, that most of the other HW look up to.

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But I don't think that Bethenny ever acted like she created the catch phrases. They were clear phrases from pop culture (most of the time pop culture that was years and years and years ago) that she got hooked on.

 

My point was that people think that she is witty because she says the phrases. And I do think that she thinks she is clever with them. When she says them she says them like she invented them. I am sure she "owns them, they are her truth, from a place of yes". Ha my frustration was with people thinking she is smart and witty by saying things that, you are correct, are pop culture. 

 

I don't do it often, but I cringed when I saw her, I guess twerking, against Jamie Fox (I think I remember it being him). She became that person, who thinks people want her to be sexy on them cause she is kewl.  The other time I cringed was when she put on Bryn's pj's. 

 

I want to like her, I did at first. I am not trained to diagnose and am not doing that, but there is just something off in her. She comes across as being a fun person. She made money. She would be a pretty woman if she wouldn't do freaky stuff to her face and body. But there is a disconnect in her as a person. 

 

This will be scattered but I hope I get my point across: I do think that she handled Kelly well. At first it came across that Kelly was just being a snob. And that was Bethenny's relationship with her, proving to people that Kelly was a snob. But at Scary Island, I think Bethenny finally realized that Kelly was mentally unbalanced and B did back off, like a mature person. So I give B credit for that. (Dang I feel like Yolanda calling Bethenny B) But I also think that even though Kelly was/is unbalanced, Kelly was right in her assessment of B. The child like Kelly saw B for the conniver that she was. B was seeing Kelly for the unbalanced person that she was. It was just a weird thing in that season. So what is also weird, is that Kelly started to pull back the curtain on B.

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There is no way that Bethenny and Carole will get "into it" and battle in any real sense. Because Carole can not fight her own battles. She needs pit bull Heather to fight for her. That was what last season was about. 

 

What would be truly unfortunate would be if Bethenny makes a causal remark disparaging Carole and Mama Bear Heather jumps in to protect her all season long. Been there. Done that.

 

Maybe they can do something different this season. Please.

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Wait, wait, wait, stewedsquash! What's this about Bethenny twerking on Jamie Foxx? What?! And also did she twerk or did she "Miley Cyrus twerk" (because there's a difference...and Miley's was wrong)?

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Maybe I am remembering it all wrong because I don't remember too much about the first two seasons of RHNY and I never paid attention to bethenny those first two seasons so please correct me if I am wrong. When I started to pay attention to bethenny it was when she had that scene with Kelly at the bar and then during the arthritis charity event during the finale of second season. I like that she is witty even if her quotes are reused, what makes her funny IMO is that she uses then for the appropriate occasions so it Nida hits the nail in the head, plus I don't ever remember about her crediting herself with those says. What I really like about her is how quick she thinks on her feet and how calm she is when under duress, that scene with kelly at the bar was what first caught my attention, the way she handled kelly was masterful. Imagine teresa instead of bethenny and a table flip right there , LOL

Another scene was that charity party, by my account Jill was being a major bitch by taking down the signage she had agreed to put there and yet Bethenny (for business reasons or not) agreed to let that go and they ended up the party on a good note. I have always believed that that party changed the relationship between jill and bethenny or at least was the beginning to the end of the friendship. I do not think bethenny used jill more than Jill used bethenny. Bethenny didn't go and knocked on Jill's door for the chance to be on the show, IIRC it was Bobby who approached her and it was months before she made the decision to participate so I hardly think that bethenny befriended Jill just to be on the show. Jill expected to be star of the show and couldn't stand that she was not.

I have been helped during my career by other women, and I have also helped other women on their career, I hate to think that they might believe that I have used them and I certainly don't ever think that the friends who I have helped have used me, what do not owe them or they owe me is blind loyalty or to have their back while they are blatantly are stabbing me in my back.

If I would found out with evidence (emails) that a friend of mine is plotting to get me fired out of my job I would never forgive her, it wouldn't matter if I got the job with her husband's help to begin with. If I had a woman belittling me and pretending we have never met after 10 times I probably would have the same reaction a s bethenny, that is why I don't consider any of that diabolical or think that makes her manipulative or a bad person, her reaction IMO are perfectly understandable.

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Wait, wait, wait, stewedsquash! What's this about Bethenny twerking on Jamie Foxx? What?! And also did she twerk or did she "Miley Cyrus twerk" (because there's a difference...and Miley's was wrong)?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bethenny+jamie+foxx&rlz=1CASMAE_enUS539US539&espv=2&biw=1242&bih=575&tbm=isch&imgil=StLsxdna2LOmfM%253A%253BA0wDKUA90rqT4M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.gettyimages.com%25252Fdetail%25252Fnews-photo%25252Fbethenny-frankel-and-jamie-foxx-perform-on-stage-at-angel-news-photo%25252F457571860&source=iu&pf=m&fir=StLsxdna2LOmfM%253A%252CA0wDKUA90rqT4M%252C_&usg=__QeyAZXVycEFSFHQ_qVe5RpbuXHQ%3D&ved=0CDcQyjc&ei=nV5NVIePN5DKggTGsIDgCQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=KL_bOJX_ti7RVM%253A%3BGoToV1LlswkSPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.dailymail.co.uk%252Fi%252Fpix%252F2014%252F10%252F21%252F1413914119241_wps_11_NEW_YORK_NY_OCTOBER_20_Be.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%252Ftvshowbiz%252Farticle-2802026%252Fbethenny-frankel-shows-sexy-dance-moves-jamie-foxx-stage-angel-ball.html%3B634%3B696

Pretty sure it was a Miley twerk. Or not even a twerk just an unprovoked invasion of his private parts. Blerrgg.

 

 

If I had a woman belittling me and pretending we have never met after 10 times I probably would have the same reaction a s bethenny, that is why I don't consider any of that diabolical or think that makes her manipulative or a bad person, her reaction IMO are perfectly understandable.

I agree and that was part of my point in my post. I think it was a crashing of two wrongs being right, in the Kelly/Bethenny dynamics. (I hate that Bethenny is autocorrected! Bethany is not! From now on B it is! Lemons!)

 

I want to like B. But I readily admit that I started to not like her when she trashed Jason. That's it for me. That's the reason I don't like her. It is my opinion that she went trolling for a man to get a "married show" followed by getting pregnant for a "family show". Yes I think that she did those things just to have a show. She wanted a kid. I don't think she wants a long term man or a healthy loving relationship with a man. I blame Jason for not taking precautions and for moving too fast. But he had a bulls eye on him. Well I think several probably did but he got zapped. So yeah, my problem with B started when she went about trashing Jason. 

 

And I hate that I am a gossip liker, but I wish upon wish that we knew why Julie really went running back to PA. She got spooked by something B did or wanted her to do. I just know it. 

 

edit two: I can't take credit for the B/Jamie link. Someone up thread posted a pic and that is how I knew about it.

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stewedsquash, thanks for the link! It looks like Bethenny was trying to freak dance, though, not twerk.

Leroux, I agree with you on the Bethenny-Jill saga. I think that Jill was legitimately jealous of the success that Bethenny was creating from her appearance on the show. I don't believe for a second that Jill cultivated a storyline where she would fight with Bethenny purely for the cameras. I think that Jill really did genuinely become mad at Bethenny and was irritated by people in the media reaching out to Bethenny.

Just seeing how Jill was when her mom and sister were on gave me some insight into her competitive, "Pick me! Choose me!" nature.

Regarding Kelly-Bethenny: I totally get why Bethenny was annoyed with Kelly. It is a great peeve of mine when people you've encountered numerous times in social gatherings act like they've never met you. I'm crap with names (seriously, it takes me several encounters to remember someone's name, until I finally ask a mutual acquaintance for name confirmation), but I'll remember a face. If I've seen you several times, I may not call you by name, but I will go, "Hi! How are you?!" which doesn't really require saying the person's name.

On top of Kelly's behavior (pretense, I have to think it was pretense) was the fact that Kelly most certainly remembered the dates that were on Bethenny's arm at the gatherings where she acted like she hadn't met Bethenny.

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It was mentioned that Bethenny was pregnant on Scary Island; she was also recovering from her father's death and the emotions surrounding that, so she was doubly vulnerable.

Kelly came armed with phrases from Jill, talking points that she only half understood and turned into word salad, among which were accusations that B shouldn't be vacationing so soon after her father's death. It was her mission to attack B on Jill's behalf. She was only half crazy. I believe that she was indulging in some controlled substance or other. The smell of cat pee, wasn't it?

She's always denied that she was nuts, so nuts has never been my assessment. B was far more gracious than I'd ever have been.

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It was mentioned that Bethenny was pregnant on Scary Island; she was also recovering from her father's death and the emotions surrounding that, so she was doubly vulnerable.

Which is why I thought she should have never gone to Scary Island in the first place. Two cross country flights to see and then bury her dad, the stress of a business that was taking off, a high risk pregnancy that she'd already been on bed rest for but our little fameseeker still couldn't stay away. She flew directly to St. John's from L.A.

There's always been the question about Bravo forcing them to travel, but I'll never believe that had Bethenny produced a doctor's note, ala Aviva, saying the stress of travel etc was a further risk to her unborn child, that her BFF Andy couldn't have let her off the hook.

Vulnerable is a word I just can't associate with Bethenny. Okay...maybe when she was just a wee child living in the wolf den.

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Which is why I thought she should have never gone to Scary Island in the first place. Two cross country flights to see and then bury her dad, the stress of a business that was taking off, a high risk pregnancy that she'd already been on bed rest for but our little fameseeker still couldn't stay away. She flew directly to St. John's from L.A.

There's always been the question about Bravo forcing them to travel, but I'll never believe that had Bethenny produced a doctor's note, ala Aviva, saying the stress of travel etc was a further risk to her unborn child, that her BFF Andy couldn't have let her off the hook.

Vulnerable is a word I just can't associate with Bethenny. Okay...maybe when she was just a wee child living in the wolf den.

No one is any one thing. It was a beautiful place that promised to be relaxing at a trying time. What being a "famewhore" has got to do with it escapes me. The woman is a human being; until she performs a baby rape, I'm not able to subscribe to the notion that her every act is a demonstration of her intrinsic evil. But YMMV.

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Which is why I thought she should have never gone to Scary Island in the first place. Two cross country flights to see and then bury her dad, the stress of a business that was taking off, a high risk pregnancy that she'd already been on bed rest for but our little fameseeker still couldn't stay away. She flew directly to St. John's from L.A.

I'm trying to remember, wasn't Scary Island the first Real Housewives trip? Like the first major one that included an international destination. If it was, there would be no reason for any of the women to assume that the vacation wouldn't be relaxing. A luxurious trip to paradise? Of course she would want to go, if for no other reason than to refresh her mind after losing her father and mentally preparing for the next phase of her life - motherhood. Being a fame whore has nothing to do with it. Kelly didn't even want to go, but went anyway, does that make her more or less of a fame whore than Bethenny?

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Oh B is just about as big a fame ho as we're evuh gonna see (er, aside from Gretchie poo & Slade & maybe Veevs & Reid), but not at all cuz of Scary Island. Remember how she would always talk bout any & all connections she had to anyone even remotely famous? She used to say every 2 seconds how her good friend was Ginny Hilfiger -- whoever that is, idk but assume some connection to Tommy Hilfiger. Color me unimpressed but this shit was Bethenny all over. It was so annoying & I really couldn't stand this bout huh. I did think it was hilarious when Kells pulled the same crap on her & the pissing match was on between them of who was a bigger fame ho. Ah good times.

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It was a beautiful place that promised to be relaxing at a trying time. What being a "famewhore" has got to do with it escapes me. 


I don't dislike Bethenny enough to call her a fame 'whore', nor do I think her every act is evil. I have, however, lost a baby after a high risk pregnancy and no way, no how for any amount of money or fame would I have taken that risk. So you're right in that we're all different. Yet we'll have to agree to disagree that Scary Island "promised to be relaxing at a trying time". You remember that Ramona was there in addition to Kelly, right? :-)

I just think that if she were looking for a place to chill after an emotional time with her dad - some place that wasn't going to tax her nervous system, blood pressure and all the things bad for baby - she would have taken some of her own lovely money and gone off somewhere quiet with her fiance.
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Which is why I thought she should have never gone to Scary Island in the first place. Two cross country flights to see and then bury her dad, the stress of a business that was taking off, a high risk pregnancy that she'd already been on bed rest for but our little fameseeker still couldn't stay away. She flew directly to St. John's from L.A.

There's always been the question about Bravo forcing them to travel, but I'll never believe that had Bethenny produced a doctor's note, ala Aviva, saying the stress of travel etc was a further risk to her unborn child, that her BFF Andy couldn't have let her off the hook.

Vulnerable is a word I just can't associate with Bethenny. Okay...maybe when she was jusot a wee child living in the wolf den.

Which is why I thought she should have never gone to Scary Island in the first place. Two cross country flights to see and then bury her dad, the stress of a business that was taking off, a high risk pregnancy that she'd already been on bed rest for but our little fameseeker still couldn't stay away. She flew directly to St. John's from L.A.

There's always been the question about Bravo forcing them to travel, but I'll never believe that had Bethenny produced a doctor's note, ala Aviva, saying the stress of travel etc was a further risk to her unborn child, that her BFF Andy couldn't have let her off the hook.

Vulnerable is a word I just can't associate with Bethenny. Okay...maybe when she was just a wee child living in the wolf den.

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Let's remember all things in context though, didn't Kelly and Bethenny made up at her cocktail release party, didn't Kely attended the party and acted somehow normal? I guess at that point there was no reason for Bethenny to believe that they couldn't be cordial to each other, they could never be friends but they could have a normal cordial, distant relationship. Kelly started the hostilities for no reason at all. Bethenny was having a conversation with Sonja and Kelly interjected herself , that has nothing to do with who is the biggest famewhore, for all that matters all people who go on relaity TV are famewhores in my book, all of them.

In Scary Island however the agressor was from beginning to end KKB and there is no amount of sugarcoating that, to blame Bethenny for being there and attributing her famewhoring for being there and "making" Kelly act like a lunatic is IMO like blaming the girl who is using a short miniskkirt for being molested. You are only in control of your own actions, Kelly is the only one to blame for her behavior, just because some dislike Bethenny it doesn't mean that Kelly suddenly is innocent or was provoked.

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Yet we'll have to agree to disagree that Scary Island "promised to be relaxing at a trying time". You remember that Ramona was there in addition to Kelly, right? :-)

 

 

Bethenny was on good terms with both Ramona and Kelly prior to the trip. Bethenny and Kelly had even agreed to let their past unpleasantness go and move forward. There was no grand friendship, but they had agreed to be civil to each other, which is why Kelly's attacks felt so out of left field.

 

Also, Ramona had been completely supportive of Bethenny after she found out about Bethenny's dad being sick. There was no reason for Bethenny or us to believe that a trip like this wouldn't be relaxing. And in all honesty, before Kelly started going crazy, the trip did look extremely relaxing. 

 

It was only after that trip that the HW's from all of the franchises started to dread the "cast trip" because of how the producers work to wring any and every bit of drama from the situation. 

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I cannot imagine how anyone could have imagined that Scary Island would have turned out the way that it did. As others have pointed out, Beth was getting along with everyone, or so it seemed. All the gals that went were getting along.  This was before the Bravo vacations turned into contrived nightmares. This trip was so awesome because it felt completely organic to me (save for Jill showing up). I think everyone was truly shocked at Kelly's behavior - even the gals that seemed to genuinely like her. Beth could be toxic in certain instances, but IMO this was all on Kelly. She seemed to be waiting for Beth to speak so that she could pounce on anything that she said. The whole Chef vs. cook deal was rude, and in my mind hateful to the extreme.  You just don't look someone in the face and tarnish their career.  The thing that was so shocking to me, however, was the deal with Beth's dad. He had just died. The relationship was complex. He had said some not very nice things either about Beth or right to her face before he died. She was hurt/pissed/confused. Kelly was nothing short of a bitch to her as she tried to explain to her that she just needed to get over it and understand that he was happy as he was and that was pretty much that. I was astonished that someone would say these words to someone else, and she did it with such malice.  It might have been that what she said was true, but like Ramona tends to do, she just picked the wrong place and the wrong time to act so superior.  

 

More shocking than the actual trip to me was the reunion. Kelly behaved like a total loon, and everyone knew it. Even Teresa Giudice has never behaved with such delusion on a reunion stage. I always kind of liked Beth (I don't anymore, but that is because of her "off screen" behavior, not because of anything she did on the show), but I loved her in that moment at the reunion. She just completely owned that stage and said what everyone was no doubt thinking. 

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I'm on the same page as y'all about Kelly instigating it all.  No mistake about that.  That has nothing to do with why I think Beth should have skipped the trip.  And why I think she didn't.

 

Let's remember all things in context though, didn't Kelly and Bethenny made up at her cocktail release party, didn't Kely attended the party and acted somehow normal? I guess at that point there was no reason for Bethenny to believe that they couldn't be cordial to each other, they could never be friends but they could have a normal cordial, distant relationship. Kelly started the hostilities for no reason at all.

Even if I was besties with Rambunctious Ramona and Koo Koo Kelly, they wouldn't be my travel mates if I were looking to relax after a really emotional funeral and a difficult pregnancy. That's my point about Beth being a...okay...I'm going to say it but it's such an ugly word...famewhore. 

 

She knows drama follows that gang wherever they go.  Why she would want a producer directing scenes and cameras following her around while pregnant and emotional? That sounds like the antithesis of relaxation to me.  But I'm not a....well, you know.  She had a choice.  She choose the lights, the cameras, the action.

 

She could have been on a beach with her sexy fiancé (I have to assume she felt that way about him then) getting her feet rubbed, being fanned with palm fronds while sipping virgin coladas.

 

And that's another thing, LOL.  Why go to an island with a group women who are being plied with alcohol, while she can't even imbibe?  Especially when these women - though she might have been getting along with them at the time - aren't truly her real friends.  I dunno.  Just seems like a poor choice to go to relax.  Unless she wanted it on camera.

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I thought they were contractually obligated to go to Scary Island? I think Kelly is certifiable, but I believe her when she says producers forced her to go on this trip.

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Actually didn't the trip to Scary Island happen pretty soon after the infamous walk across the Brooklyn Bridge when Ramona read Beth like no other.  If I were already under high stress I would definitely not Jones for round to with the Ramonacoaster. 

FWIW- I don't think Kelly was being rude or instigating so much as she honestly & truly went off the deep end in a major way.  She had either gone onto or off of meds and it was not a pleasant sight.  To date my third favorite scene ever was when Lu went to some happening at Sonja's and all the girls party to scary Island ended up in the formal dining room with Lu as inquisitor.  Even Beth said that she trusted Luanne understood that they were being honest about the crazy.  Both Alex and Beth have said it was much worse than shown on TV. 

 

Give me Luann effing a pirate or Alex in Herman Munster shoes any day over that.

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Actually didn't the trip to Scary Island happen pretty soon after the infamous walk across the Brooklyn Bridge when Ramona read Beth like no other.

Not really. The Brooklyn Bridge battle was over almost a soon as it began. Once, Ramona realized that Bethenny was truly upset not just about Jill but about her dad being sick, she calmed down and they went on with their visit to Alex and Simon. Ramona was very supportive and almost motherly with Bethenny after that.

 

Bethenny made many trips back and forth to see her dad after that and on the way to what she figured would be her final trip out, she called Ramona for support. 

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I thought they were contractually obligated to go to Scary Island? I think Kelly is certifiable, but I believe her when she says producers forced her to go on this trip.

But even if she were contractually obligated, I honestly can't believe Bravo would have pushed a pregnant woman at high risk, who just buried her father to go. It would have been simple to get her Dr's blessing to stay home but clearly she wanted to go.

And participated in some of the most memorable reality TV that I've ever seen.

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Bethenny made many trips back and forth to see her dad after that and on the way to what she figured would be her final trip out, she called Ramona for support.

Right after she called her Bravo producers and camera men.

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Why would she have to phone anyone? The show was filming at the time, n'est-ce pas?

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We'll Bethenny may not save this show, but she sure as hell is going to make an impact on this forum. :-)

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But even if she were contractually obligated, I honestly can't believe Bravo would have pushed a pregnant woman at high risk, who just buried her father to go. It would have been simple to get her Dr's blessing to stay home but clearly she wanted to go.

And participated in some of the most memorable reality TV that I've ever seen.

second only to the Dinner Party from Hell on the BH show, IMO

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Had Bethenny been on bed rest before the Scary Island trip? I'm sorry, I don't remember the sequence. I think B was just doing her job going on the trip. Sure, she expected some "moments", but with Jill and LuAnn not going, I don't think she expected anything that would threaten her pregnancy.

I think Jill wound up Kelly tightly before the trip. And no one could have predicted Kelly's behavior. Which I think was a combo of wine and not being able to run away like Kelly usually does. She's a whack job and she lost it. I've never thought it had anything to do with drugs.

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