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S01.E05: The Mind Controller & The Body Positive Baby 2014.09.11

A feminist artist believes her young daughter should know all about sexuality; a woman raises her children using hypnosis.
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The hypnotist mom actually isn't as weird as I expected. But the sex mom is downright creepy. I'm not even sure I want to watch the rest of this episode.

 

I missed the first 5-10 minutes of the episode, anyone know why sex mom calls her husband daddy? Is that for the baby's sake, or her own?

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Feminist 'adult performer' Madison talks about sex with her two-year-old daughter Emma both frankly and constantly. Madison's husband is not okay with it, nor is the actual, literal Annie Sprinkle. But let's let everyone speak for themselves!

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The hypnotist mom actually isn't as weird as I expected. But the sex mom is downright creepy. I'm not even sure I want to watch the rest of this episode.

 

I missed the first 5-10 minutes of the episode, anyone know why sex mom calls her husband daddy? Is that for the baby's sake, or her own?

It's for her sake. She's in a D/s relationship with him.

 

As for my thoughts, while I approve of the sex-positive mom teaching her kid the proper names for intimate parts, I don't approve of the leaving sex toys where kids can get them.

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I agree with sex mom teaching her daughter about her body and not to be ashamed of being sexual. But I don't think that encouraging a toddler to masturbate is a necessary thing. The little girl is 2, there's plenty of time for her to discover her body and sexuality. Hell, let her learn to pick her own nose first!

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Where in the hell do they find these people? I am all for teaching your kids to have a healthy body image and to know the proper names for body parts, but these people are hypersexualizing their very young daughter and to me that is almost abuse. At the very least it is extraordinarily inappropriate. I am at a loss. Oh and put your f*cking toys away!

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Where in the hell do they find these people? I am all for teaching your kids to have a healthy body image and to know the proper names for body parts, but these people are hypersexualizing their very young daughter and to me that is almost abuse. At the very least it is extraordinarily inappropriate. I am at a loss. Oh and put your f*cking toys away!

I think it is abuse. This episode really upset me and left me in tears.

And while I respect their D/s relationship, being open with the Daddy/little stuff and sex in front of the ACTUAL little girl and Daddy is beyond worrisome. I don't personally have any reasons to think the father would sexually abuse that real daughter...but I do think it's an emotionally abusive and very confusing situation because the mom is raising the child to experience all of this. Sex is more than a "hug with your genitals." That's not shaming anyone for their body or for adults having sex. But you bet your bottom dollar that exposing a child to sexual Daddy relationships is shameful and disgusting. I've never been so offended and worried by a reality show. I think that woman is clinging to feminism as a cover for some deep dark trauma. That was certainly not what feminism means to me at least, though I know I can't speak for everyone.

I hope my post isn't offensive. I'm just pretty upset.

The boys in the other family seem very nice and smart.

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Ug. I had to stop watching when Madison took out the urine lining at the playdate. W.T.F. And her whole shtick about how playdates were "learning experiences", she clearly meant they were learning experiences for other people, not herself. Madison's insistence on making people uncomfortable and forcing people to just deal with her is nauseating. Yes, people think it's weird to have toddlers play with uterine lining! Yes, people think it's weird for children to be exposed to sex toys! That doesn't mean that they're being "body negative" or shaming their children! Her whole way of acting "surprised" that someone would object to what she's doing really somehow bugged me the most of all. She can't interact with "straight" people, but they're supposed to all just accept her insanity. And then when she just giggled telling her husband about the playdate -- arg! I hate her!

I don't think there's anything wrong with being open about bodies. My mother showed me a medical textbook and explained to me how babies were made when I was just a little older than Emma. But I really think the way Madison is insistent on "pushing boundaries" and "can't live in the straight world" is selfish. It's all about her and her self-image and not about her daughter.

In other news, I found the hyno-mom amusing and silly but not Upsetting. I'm glad they had her and her kids in the episode to show some fun crazy instead of disturbing crazy.

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Teaching a child barely past being a freaking toddler that Mommy's D/S relationship means that her father is Mommy's daddy with benefits/owner is beyond inappropriate. Also kind of ironic, since Mommy is topping from the bottom to the point where "Daddy" is pretty much a mobile sex toy. I could absolutely get behind court ordered therapy for this family.

Edited by Julia.
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Body positive? No, this woman was body obsessed. Make that, vulva obsessed. I agree with her husband - teach her about the liver too! For pete's sake. The vulva is not the only part of the body. Hey, I'm all for teaching kids the anatomy of their reproductive parts and not to be ashamed, etc. etc. But not at TWO. That kid has no freaking clue what you're talking about!!!

 

I agreed with the point the playmate lady was driving at - it didn't seem so much that the mom was just encouraging her daughter to express herself and love herself, but she was trying to FORCE her views on the kid. I have little boys and a little girl, and I know firsthand that gender stereotypes aren't always accurate. My daughter does love purple and princesses, but she also loves Transformers and racing cars with her brother. We have a little of everything and just let them play what they want, but it's totally child led. I feel like everything in that house is MOM-led. 

 

She lost me with her analogy about sex just being a hug on the inside....or whatever crap she said. Again, sex is wonderful and no one should be ashamed of the pleasure it gives them - alone or with someone else. But please don't equate it to a hug. Hugs don't get you pregnant. Hugs don't give you STDs. You hug your grandpa, you don't have sex with him. And you don't leave sex toys out where your little kid can get into them! Dear God, I hope she sanitizes. 

 

I don't even want to know where that woman stores her menstrual blood in between playdates. 

 

I wish the dad would have stood his ground more and not even ALLOWED Em at the performance in the first place. What two-year-old wouldn't get freaked out seeing their mother bound up in ropes??? Plus, it was probably past her bedtime. If she even has one. Do vulvas approve of bedtimes? At least he got her out of there before the throwing started. It's pretty sad when the porn producer is the more "conservative" one in the family. 

 

You know, it took me the entire episode to realize that these were two people with the last names of "Young" and "Mogul". I kept thinking Bravo was giving the parents the descriptions of "young moguls". And I'm like - A. they're not particularly young. B. This is what it takes to be a mogul???? Lol, I chalk it up to being up every 30 minutes the night before with my sick child. 

 

 

 

Now, the hypnotist mom was so boring in comparison. I thought she was very well meaning, but too attached. Her boys cracked me up! I thought they were very bright, well behaved young men and I appreciated them speaking up and mom eventually listening. And I learned something. I mean, who knew all I had to do to get my kids to listen to me all these years was tap my fingers in between my eyes and speak in a soothing voice?

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Porn mom is definitely in need of some therapy. She is forcing her obsession with sex on her kid IMO.  Like many others have said here, it's great to teach kids to biological terms for their genitalia or body parts.  Help them be unashamed of bodily functions and changes. However, it's also a good idea to let those discussions go at the child's pace.  When kids ask the questions, then it's time to answer them as directly and as age appropriately as possible. I don't believe the 2 year old is going to want or retain a lengthy discussion about your labia and orgasms when she sees you naked one day and asks "what's that"?

 

Hypno mom seems fairly harmless.  A little quirky maybe, but if she believes in it and thinks its helping her dubious kids, meh.  I do think the cat is laughing at her attempts to hypnotize him. 

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I wonder how sex-mom would react if her little girl comes home one day and tells her that she hugs "uncle Tommy" or one of the neighbor with her genitals?  Will she be cool with that?  After all, it's only a hug.

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Argh. This show seems to suggest that every child is going to suffer the crimes of their grandparents. If a woman feels that her mom was too conservative wrt female human anatomy and puberty, she will overcompensate when she has a daughter of her own. Same with the hypnotist.

It is interesting how we all feel as if the hypnotist was fairly harmless, when juxtaposed against the porn mom.

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I can't tell you how disturbing I felt this was.  Child Protective Services should be called. 

 

I would love to see the casting calls on this show.  What could they have been advertising for? 

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I wouldn't invite my 2 year-old to an evening work event of mine, even if my job wasn't erotic performance art. If nothing else, someone should have explained that to Madison on a practical level. A kid kept up past her bedtime is going to have a meltdown, and Madison is not going to be able to focus on her job if she's having to deal with a toddler meltdown. It's completely unprofessional to bring your child along, not to mention horrible parenting.

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That was absolutely an upsetting, disgusting and worrisome show.  I mirror what everyone else is saying, so I won't be repetitive, but I do have a couple of other thoughts.  It's obvious that Madison must have suffered some severe traumatic sexual event (most likely as a child) and her obsession is her attempt to gain "control" of the event.  Very sad and she needs some really strong therapy.  What would be done if a Mom was having her child smoke cigarettes and drink?  Or drive a car?  If everything is a free for all and age shouldn't be taken into consideration for the exposure, isn't this really just the same type of behavior?  I hold the Dad just as responsible for this shit show.  Put your foot down loser!  I think he's just afraid of losing his freak in the sheets if he stands up to her.  Also, did anyone else think it looked like Emma's hair had been cut with a dull butter knife?  Her clothes not only seemed gender neutral but leaning towards boyish.  Fine, I get it, no tutus and tiaras for you, but what angered me was that Madison had lovely, long hair and wore a ton of make-up and feminine clothes.  Why doesn't she chop her hair off, go bare faced and wear a burlap sack to express her strong beliefs???  Yuck....I still feel today like I need to go take a shower.

 

The hypno Mom may have been a little odd but obviously she did something right....they seemed like a wonderful, loving family.  Can Emma go live with them??

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Also, did anyone else think it looked like Emma's hair had been cut with a dull butter knife?  Her clothes not only seemed gender neutral but leaning towards boyish.  Fine, I get it, no tutus and tiaras for you, but what angered me was that Madison had lovely, long hair and wore a ton of make-up and feminine clothes.  Why doesn't she chop her hair off, go bare faced and wear a burlap sack to express her strong beliefs???  Yuck....I still feel today like I need to go take a shower.

 

That was the problem I had with it. It seemed all these things were the mom's choice - not Emma's. The child did not seem very verbal yet, so I'm pretty sure she didn't tell her mom to cut her hair short or what kind of clothing she wanted to wear. It was like the mother was dressing her "like a boy" intentionally to be provocative. And when she was reading that book about the little girl who hated pink, or whatever that was, it just felt too forced. Let the child explore on her own. And if she decides she hates pink and wants short hair, by all means support her. But give her room to grow into her own person, damnit. 

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Her clothes not only seemed gender neutral but leaning towards boyish.  Fine, I get it, no tutus and tiaras for you

 

I don't get it. She's teaching her child a heavily sexualized version of patriarchal power hierarchies in which the person who controls your body and your expression of sexuality is your father (sorry, "Daddy"). I don't buy that the kid is going to be tragically gendered by a freaking tutu.

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Fine, I get it, no tutus and tiaras for you, but what angered me was that Madison had lovely, long hair and wore a ton of make-up and feminine clothes. Why doesn't she chop her hair off, go bare faced and wear a burlap sack to express her strong beliefs??? Yuck....I still feel today like I need to go take a shower.

I held back on saying this in my last post, but I still have a sneaking suspicion it's partly so Daddy doesn't like the real little girl better than the wife. If the daughter's hair is chopped off and she's put in typical boys' clothes, maybe the wife thinks there's less competition. Sickening thought, but I think she's a sickening woman.

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Agree with everything above. Also, extremely odd phone call with her mom when she was practically begging her mom to be proud of her. It felt really immature, and seems to support the idea that she has some major unresolved issues.

I also agree with the comments about this waving abuse flags. Isn't one of the things that pedophiles say is that the children are sexual and the kids led the sexual activity? I am NOT saying that this mom is physically abusing her daughter, but that the mom is placing her daughter into sexualized scenarios in order to satisfy some need of the mom's.

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Oh dear....when Emma pulled out the sex toys and well held the faux penis" to her ear I about fell off my chair! Poor mom..."Emma, you're in mommy's kegel exerciser"!

 

NO way..come ON...

 

I felt sick...I could not watch the whole episode....I hope Bravo gets blasted about THIS...this is not extreme parents...it's child abuse.

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Absolutely disgusting.  I consider this child abuse.  When hardcore Berkeley dykes and sex workers are looking concerned at the boundaries you are pushing, there are SERIOUS issues.  The scene where she is bound and the child is freaking out - I almost cried.  

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I couldn't even watch the whole episode.  That sex-obsessed couple should not be parents.  It was sickening.

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I worry that the sex lady's teaching her child about her sexuality at such a young age is going to have that child being "curious" with other kids once she gets older.  I wouldn't invite that child to any of my kid's sleepovers, that's for sure!

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We had a situation come up when my son was in second grade. One of the boys in his class, Michael, told them all about sex and how babies are made at the lunch table. When my son got home and told me about it, I called the teacher. She already had been contacted by other parents, too. She was shocked when she heard what our kids had been told in graphic detail. She contacted Michael's grandmother, because that's who he was being raised by because his parents were in jail (Dad) or just left them (Mom) and was told she (grandmother) didn't want her grandkids to make the same mistakes her kids made by having kids early and they wouldn't/couldn't take care of them and raise them themselves, so she told them all the details so they'd know. It was way too much for second graders. I'm all for being honest with the facts of life, but there is age appropriateness that must be factored into the situation. Grandma did a bang up job with those grandkids because they were some of the wildest, and worst behaved, kids coming through the school system who had behavioral issues and drug problems. As far as I know, neither of those grandkids produced any greatgrands before they left high school. Her goal was accomplished, I guess. 

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Madison looked like a cheap version of Claire Danes.  Would it kill her to let her daughter wear some pink or purple?  She (the mom) obviously has some deep rooted issues.  Get yourself into therapy and leave your daughter out of your nightmare of a job.  I hated her.

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Bravo needs to apologize for that episode.  I feel badly for the other story having to share that disgusting wierdo with their story.

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Bravo needs to apologize for that episode.  I feel badly for the other story having to share that disgusting wierdo with their story.

This episode is so problematic I would not be surprised if it is destined for the dustbin of history, removed from any further displays, downloads, on-demand performances, etc.  Could be legal trouble for Bravo airing this. 

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Could not finish it.  This was really extreme.  Madison only focused on sex,she was not concerned about any other aspect of her child's life.  "Daddy" needs to take this child and run.

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This particular episode drove me insane.  I am all for teaching my child the proper name for the parts he has, but I don't obsess over them.  This woman is borderline abusive.  There's nooo need.  Even teaching about uteruses, and where babies come from, I don't care... but vulva puppets and sex toys out where the child can use them as a phone? Seriously?   Not okay.

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also if someone handed my child a mason jar of uterine lining, I would go apeshit crazy on them.  Bodily fluids, no thanks!!!

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When Annie Sprinkle is concerned about your toddler attending an adult event, there's definitely an issue...

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