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All Episode Talk: From Milfay to New Canaan

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I'm an enjoying it tremendously. I'm devastated it is only 2 seasons long. Since my original post, I made my Dad start watching it. So now I have someone to bounce ideas off of. I'm almost done, episode 10 right now, so most of my questions have been answered. Nick Stahl and Clancy Brown, along with the rest of the cast, are an awesome assemble of actors, did a fantastic job selling their characters.

side note, I grew up in Southern CA...I use to watch Bree Walker (the lady with the fused 'lobster' hands) host my local news. It was so weird seeing her in this series (especially with that horrible trouch pouch overdone plastic surgery face), but kind of cool, too!

Heh, that's cool about Bree Walker!

I love that people are still discovering this show! I watched it together with a friend this summer and she was blown away. The actors really are excellent all around. They did such a great job on the casting. They fully inhabit their characters. I'd be hard pressed to choose a favourite. Still angry this show was cancelled!

I posted an interview with Daniel Knauf from last year in the media thread. He finally opened up about Carnivale, about how it all started, working with HBO, about the cast and characters and on how he would have continued/ended it. Check it out when you finish!

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Well, hell, that interview has me jonesing for a re-watch. I can't think of how I'll fit it in for a few weeks....ooh, ooh, ooh...maybe a Christmas present to myself? Yeah, I'm probably the only person on the planet that would think Carnivale would be good Christmas TV. ;)

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Hee! Nah, who needs regular ol' boring happy Christmas television when you can indulge on a dark, weird, creepy epic? Not strange at all! :)

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Oh I miss this show! I think Amazon has it and it is free for Prime members. 

 

My favorite episode and sequence is the one where Ben heals Jonsey after he was tarred and feathered.  I need to rewatch this but I am glad there is a show forum here!

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That is one of my favorite scenes as well. So beautiful. My ultimate favorite is Scudder's escape and demise. Sooo freaky and awesome.

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I loved both seasons, but I think the second season probably has the edge, because the pacing picked up so nicely.

 

This is one of my all-time-favorite shows. I'm disappointed that there has never really been  talk of a revival. One would think HBO would have thought about it after the success they've had with other genre fare such as True Blood and Game of Thrones. But then again, the show also feels like a forgotten show. While the conversation about shows such as Buffy never seems to die down, I never hear anything about discovering Carnivale.

 

I personally think Carnivale would have deserved the success much more, it was just a wonderful original piece with an incredible atmosphere.I found it incredibly engaging from the first minute on.

 

I did also love the episode in which Jonesy was tarred and feathered. That was just such a shocking episode.

 

I did also enjoy every episode in which Sofie read the cards for Ben or the episode with the mask guy was incredibly creepy.

 

I wish we could have seen more.

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I've spent that last few weeks doing a complete re-watch. It was glorious! What's weird is, I don't think I ever saw the last episode. I have no recollection of any of it. I remember thinking it was such a shame to end the show on Sophie hearing "this is your house." For some reason, I think I actually prefer it now though. The last episode was good, but it being far more plot driven, IMO, has me preferring the previous episode a bit more.

 

Still a most glorious re-watch! Never understood how this show never reached a cult following like some other shows though. I guess it's just not goofy enough.

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On 2/22/2015 at 5:01 PM, DittyDotDot said:

Still a most glorious re-watch! Never understood how this show never reached a cult following like some other shows though. I guess it's just not goofy enough.

I think it just aired at the wrong time, before the internet and genre shows really took of. The fact that HBO pretty much buried it probably also didn't help much.

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Deadwood was getting all the acclaim at that point and HBO pushed it more.  And this glorious little unsung show just didn't capture a wide-enough audience and HBO let it die.  Hell, maybe TPTB didn't understand it.  A lot of the time I didn't, either, but I kept watching.  I think it would do a lot better today.

It should have won an Emmy for the opening credits alone.

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4 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Deadwood was getting all the acclaim at that point and HBO pushed it more.  And this glorious little unsung show just didn't capture a wide-enough audience and HBO let it die.  Hell, maybe TPTB didn't understand it.  A lot of the time I didn't, either, but I kept watching.  I think it would do a lot better today.

It should have won an Emmy for the opening credits alone.

Well, there were different things that went into the cancellation:

 

1.) According to Dan Knauf, HBO kept telling them that Carnivale was going to have bigger ratings than The Sopranos. Never mind that The Sopranos was the biggest thing on the air at the time and that it was fairly unrealistic for them to have bigger ratings as a genre show. So, HBO definitely had wrong expectations as to what kind of audience size the show would deliver.

 

2.) HBO hadn't done any genre shows at that time. it was before True Blood and Game of Thrones. Apparently, they were arguments, where Dan Knauf told them this was a horror show to justify a scene with certain special effects or something, to which HBO told them that they see it as "a drama" and not as a "horror show". HBO also didn't get the message board activity at the time, apparently, the activity on their Carnivale message boards was bigger than on all their other shows' boards combined, but they didn't know what to make out of it and when Dan Knauf suggested that they should do something at Comic Con for the fans, they responded with "WTF is Comic Con?"

 

3.) Aside from Deadwood, they were prepping another multimillion-dollar-project in Rome. Additionally, HBO was initially resistant to cost-cutting measures. In season one they kept moving the Carnivale sets to be more realistic and because they could. However, when Dan Knauf suggested that they'd just keep the Carnivale set standing and just make it look like they were in a new town, they were initially hesitant to do that (though they did that eventually in season two).

 

I do also think the show would be much better received if it aired now, though it would maybe also get lost in Peak TV. I honestly just really love this show, the music, the visuals, the actors. It's just such a great show. I am happy HBO finally put it on their streaming service. As I understood, they didn't include it there for quite some time. Hell, the show was even erased from their website for years (while other canceled shows like Deadwood still appeared on there). 

 

And one tragedy is also that Clancy Brown never got an EMMY for his work on this show. He's been spectacular as Brother Justin, especially in season one where he is not just playing evil. That monologue that he has in the first season about child laborers and virgins being bought by a nickel was so fantastically played.

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