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S01.E03: The Way Out 2014.08.23

I enjoy the show. I just wanted to say that my heart sank when Jamie was making out with Laoghaire.  Way to take advantage of a young girl, arsehole. He's still sexy, so I hope to see more of him and his kilts, but I no longer want him and Claire to become a "thing" the way I used to.  What a disappointment. 

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Was it just me, or did Colum's legs look radically different during the massage than they did when we were introduced to him?

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Was it just me, or did Colum's legs look radically different during the massage than they did when we were introduced to him?

I thought they looked less distractingly weird.  I don't know if they were done differently, if it's because he wasn't wearing stockings, or if I was just distracted by his bare ass.

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I had the same reaction about the Lilly of the valley until I did some research. The plant they showed on Outlander is: Maianthemum dilatatum ( Wild Lily of the Valley) instead of the one we are familiar with: Convallaria majalis ( Lily of the Valley).

 

Except that Claire specifically calls it : Convallaria Majalis <<< I watched again last night just to make sure. Even if it was Maianthemum Dilatatum --- that plant does NOT having a vining habit. But it doesn't matter. I try not to let little nit-picks bother me too much ;-)

 

Sorry to jump in the middle of a discussion. I have read every post in every episode forum available about Outlander. This show is amazing! And that little thing with the plants has been my only WTF moment.

 

I read the first book (who knew there were more than one??) many years ago. So long ago in fact that all I recall is a character from present goes back into the past and hijinks ensue. I didn't even remember a single characters name until I watched the first episode. So I am kind of a "virgin" to Outlander.

 

I am loving the actress they chose for Claire. She is just perfect. Her arrogance with just the right mix of vulnerability comes across so beautifully. and the scenery?  My My breathtaking!

 

This is the first show in a long time I have liked right from the very beginning. I am intrigued how this will all play out. And since I can't remember how it goes in the books ---it is all new to me!

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I just got to watch this episode, and I'm still loving it. 

 

Claire has got to be blind if she doesn't realize that Jamie is completely smitten with her and the fact that she is flirting back. I know she's married, but she hasn't acted on anything so I don't see a problem with what she's doing, just what it's doing to poor Jamie who thinks she's a grieving widow which is why he's not acting on it either. 

 

Geillis is a time traveler too isn't she? She's way too interested in Claire's story and seems way too chill for a woman of that time. Don't tell me I want to see it unfold. 

 

That priest is going to a be a problem for Claire. I think her daydream about Mrs. Fitz calling her a witch will come true soon if she doesn't reign in her knowledge of things no one else knows about it. 

 

I'm not a poisonous plant expert so I didn't think anything of that scene. 

 

I haven't shipped a couple since a bad experience with Lost and swore off shipping, but I may have to take it back since I am shipping Jamie/Claire hardcore. Their story intrigues me and the actors have amazing chemistry. 

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Geillis is a time traveler too isn't she? She's way too interested in Claire's story and seems way too chill for a woman of that time. Don't tell me I want to see it unfold.

 

That priest is going to a be a problem for Claire. I think her daydream about Mrs. Fitz calling her a witch will come true soon if she doesn't reign in her knowledge of things no one else knows about it

 

 I don't want to be spoiled either but I got the same impression about  Gaylis (Geillis) . She just doesn't "fit" in that time.

 

And yes. I felt that scene with the priest was foreshadowing trouble ahead. I know if I ended up back in the 18th century --- my ass would be burned at the stake! I simply could not keep my mouth shut. and I fear Claire has that same problem!

 

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I know,  I probably would've been wearing jeans and a hoodie when I went to visit some stones in Scotland so they would've thought I was a witch right then. 

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I enjoy the show. I just wanted to say that my heart sank when Jamie was making out with Laoghaire.  Way to take advantage of a young girl, arsehole. He's still sexy, so I hope to see more of him and his kilts, but I no longer want him and Claire to become a "thing" the way I used to.  What a disappointment. 

It was disappointing, but try to think of it this way...Jamie is interested in Claire, but Claire seems like she wants to be just friends, so that's not really an option.  Laoghaire is very much interested in him so Jamie tries to give it a chance.  They kiss.  However, he immediately realizes she's not the one for him and he'd rather moon over Claire than be with Laoghaire.  We don't yet know Jamie's POV on the situation, and I find this version more palatable than thinking he was just using the girl.  However, my first reaction was very much like yours.

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I know,  I probably would've been wearing jeans and a hoodie when I went to visit some stones in Scotland so they would've thought I was a witch right then.

 

Yes. It was quite fortuitous of Claire to be wearing a dress that could be mistaken as a nightgown -- am I right? HaHa!!

besides the jeans and hoodie --- I seriously would be like ---My sisters! Unite! Stand up against the oppression of men!

 

 

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Geillis is a time traveler too isn't she? She's way too interested in Claire's story and seems way too chill for a woman of that time. Don't tell me I want to see it unfold.

 

I don't want to be spoiled either but I got the same impression about  Gaylis (Geillis) . She just doesn't "fit" in that time.

I hope not. On the one hand, I suppose there's no reason why Claire would be the only person to travel through time via the stones at Crag Na Dun. Other other hand, it seems a bit much if they all end up in the 1740s. I also don't want to have to wonder if anyone who's slightly off is a time traveler.

Besides, if anyone else traveled through time it's Frank. He doesn't just look like Black Jack, Frank looks exactly like him. I bet if you did a DNA test on the two of them, they'd be genetically identical.

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On the one hand, I suppose there's no reason why Claire would be the only person to travel through time via the stones at Crag Na Dun.

 

If there's an actual song about it, then someone else has had to have done it. I hope there's more revelation of a legend surrounding the stones. 

 

Besides, if anyone else traveled through time it's Frank. He doesn't just look like Black Jack, Frank looks exactly like him.

 

I don't know how sci fi and timey whimey this show wants to be, but genetic reincarnation is a thing in sci fi. So it could be that. If it's actually Frank-from-1940s, then that's one fucked up time loop because he clearly didn't recognize Claire.

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Oh Geilis you adorable sociopath. You were my favourite person in this episode.

 

I didn't like this episode as much as the previous two, Geilis scenes not included. I think there was too much talk and not enough balance between the characters. I feel like they want to have all the characters there all the time but sometimes that doesn't work. As much as I like Frank Randall, the war memories could have been saved for another episode.

 

Why would Claire want to travel to the Middle Ages? To be most certainly burnt as a witch?

 

Also loved the Gaelic singing. So very beautiful.

 

Seeing as some kids appeared to have survived the Black Kirk, how come Claire is the first one to figure out they should leave the plants alone?

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Why would Claire want to travel to the Middle Ages? To be most certainly burnt as a witch?

 

 

I don't recall exactly what she said, but I don't think she said that she wanted to travel to the Middle Ages, rather that she's afraid she'd end up there, i.e, that this whole time traveling thing is not something she knows how to control ... obviously.

 

Seeing as some kids appeared to have survived the Black Kirk, how come Claire is the first one to figure out they should leave the plants alone?

 

 

Well, considering how highly superstitious these people are and how much religion and faith is used to explain so much, I'm guessing any child that did survive the Black Kirk was viewed as being favored by God or saved by him or the priest took credit for scaring away the demons. However, I'm also surmising that children that successfully got away with playing there didn't necessarily let their parents know.

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Seeing as some kids appeared to have survived the Black Kirk, how come Claire is the first one to figure out they should leave the plants alone?

 

 

Well, considering how highly superstitious these people are and how much religion and faith is used to explain so much, I'm guessing any child that did survive the Black Kirk was viewed as being favored by God or saved by him or the priest took credit for scaring away the demons. However, I'm also surmising that children that successfully got away with playing there didn't necessarily let their parents know.

From the convo between Claire and Jamie, he says of his own experience, if he and his friends were lucky they might find the wood garlic or berries to eat, so the plants might not be available at all times of the year when boys would go to the Black Kirk.  Also, if both wood garlic and lily of the valley were growing there, it might have been luck, good or bad, that some boys would eat the poison and the others wouldn't.  He also said his own cousin was sick for a week while we can assume he (Jamie) apparently wasn't.  I would pose the question to the botanists here, if someone eats lily of the valley could they recover from the poison? 

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I have to smile at your discussion on the correct plant used in the show. That's such an internet thing to do. But if this is the biggest problem one finds with the show, you have a pretty good show on your hand. As others have pointed out, in the end it's quite a expectable error for a tv show where you often have to take the "look" and "feel" of something more into consideration than it being 100% correct. After all films and series also cut out all the awkward pauses in usual conversations as those would be really boring :)

 

What irks me personally about Claire is not that she's a Mary Sue, which she is definitely not. It looks like it to a degree since she has knowledge on anything relevant at the time. But this doesn't come out of nowhere, rather everything is shown to come from her former life. What makes the thing strange is that it seems quite random that exactly the person with those experiences and interests gets transported back in time that will help her there rather than say an electrician. Of course that is what makes the story interesting so it's not a problem, it's more of a wink that it is a fictional story that I just can't lose compared to say a wholly historical show like the Borgias (I know how ironic that is because both Borgia shows have wild historical inaccuracies included while this here is probably better in all the details).

 

I'm not sure why a priest would insult members of his parrish after such a traumatic experience from them. That's not very priest-like for me. They did say he's a mysoginist, but still it seems like poor social skills right there.

 

I'm intrigued by Geilis (?), she seems like an interesting character that rightfully wants to know more about Claire. Having her be a time traveller would feel wrong nonetheless (=how many more? viewers then start to ask).

 

I still have no ideas on the names and am rather afraid to write them in here :)

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I enjoy the show. I just wanted to say that my heart sank when Jamie was making out with Laoghaire.  Way to take advantage of a young girl, arsehole. He's still sexy, so I hope to see more of him and his kilts, but I no longer want him and Claire to become a "thing" the way I used to.  What a disappointment. 

I totally agree and am so glad to see I'm not alone. It was not his most shining moment.  I couldn't believe it. He was so indifferent and borderline dismissive of her when Claire was trying to get him to be basically polite. And now this? How is Laoghaire supposed to react? He's such an adolescent. Boasting to Claire about knowing Greek :rolleyes:

 

He's likeable but I can't take him seriously.  I felt from the first episode that he was more in Laoghaire's league than Claire's. I hope Claire turns out to be a passing infatuation for him and that he becomes a comrade but not a lover. And I also hope he falls madly in love with Laoghaire and goes crawling up to her on his knees.

 

 I think he's more like an annoying pesky younger brother than a lover.  That footsie scene was just stupid IMO.

 

Plus isn't there a possible complication if Claire and he hook up? He could turn out to be her great great great (great to the power of 10 or 15) grandfather.

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Having one other person be a time traveler isn't everyone being a time traveler. So I wouldn't mind there being another one, Claire can't be the only one that happened to touch the stones if there's a song written about it. It's obviously a folklore that's been passed down.  As for ending up in the 1740's, maybe it's a time tunnel that only goes to two times, 1740's Scotland and 1940's Scotland. 

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Well, no, since there's already a song about it, as you said. It seemed to me like it was a known song, rather than something new, just performed. Just going to/from 1940s seems to specific to me. Since the stones seem pretty old, -/+ 200 years is a simpler answer. 

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I've thought from the beginning that Claire is unlikely to be the only one... but I never made the connection to the song- which does reinforce the theory, I agree. Great catch! 

 

I also wondered if someone has crossed in the other direction. I hope they go back to  the 20th century; I'll be watching those 20th century characters with this new question in mind.

 

I agree with Sakura and others that  Gheille too might have stepped across time.  That might explain that knowing way she has about her...she's obviously testing Claire (or baiting her)....

 

Figuring out who else has crossed across seems so much more interesting to me than the romance. I can't wait to find out.

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Yeah, you're right + or - 200 years works better. I just think it's entirely possible for more than one person to have also traveled in time via the stones. The song tells me it is possible. So I wouldn't mind meeting another. 

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  I would pose the question to the botanists here, if someone eats lily of the valley could they recover from the poison? 

Yes.

Of course it would depend on the amount ingested and the size of the person/animal, but yes, one could survive.

I have a huge colony of it growing in my yard and don't fear it at all- the flowers are heavenly. My dogs show absolutely no interest in it, but then they are taught to not eat my plants  :)

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So it'll be fascinating if several people have crossed.

 

Oh Geilis you adorable sociopath. You were my favourite person in this episode.

 

I didn't like this episode as much as the previous two, Geilis scenes not included. I think there was too much talk and not enough balance between the characters. I feel like they want to have all the characters there all the time but sometimes that doesn't work. As much as I like Frank Randall, the war memories could have been saved for another episode.

 

Why would Claire want to travel to the Middle Ages? To be most certainly burnt as a witch?

 

Also loved the Gaelic singing. So very beautiful.

 

Seeing as some kids appeared to have survived the Black Kirk, how come Claire is the first one to figure out they should leave the plants alone?

 

LOL at your description of Geillis. She is fabulous. In Frank's absence she's the one I'm most focused on after Claire. Though Dougal is also beginning to emerge from the shadows.

The singing was lovely.

 

And like you I didn't like this epi as much as the other two (while still loving it- just not as much as the other two).  But for a different reason. I'm always happy to see Frank, but for me the Jaime-Claire thing is a big yawn. I wish they would get a room and get it over with so the story can focus on something else. I want to know more about the Laird's wife and his son. Hope they get to that in the next episode. The romance is boring the crap out of me....though I realize I'm in the minority on this!

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From the song, it sounded like they traveled to the past first, then "back to the future." Sorry. Because the singer said, "a faraway land," or something like that. I would think if they went from 1600s/1800s or 1700/1900, they would have flipped the fuck out and had a stroke with all the differences. 

 

Obviously, the 1500s are a lot different than the 1700s, but if you're from 1700 it's not a huge deal. They were still all talking gaelic probably, maybe harder to understand. People were still farming, etc. So I'd think the first move is -200 from your origin point then return. I supposed the question is, do you return when you left or + the elapsed time spent in the past. 

 

I'm assuming the show isn't going to get into this much depth, but they did sing an entire song about it, so they probably wanted us to at least think about it a little. 

Actually, I didn't even think Claire was going to return to the 1940s. I thought it was about her new life in the past. (I don't want to be spoiled about it either please.)

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I can't say more than was already said ... so I will just say this ...

 

I want to live in Scotland and have my very own Jamie.

 

He is very easy on the eye and at 34, around the age I like hehe :p

 

I fully endorse the casting of Tim McInerney as the priest. He's such a delicious baddie. (Didn't he used to do silly sitcoms? Good career change!)

 

Blackadder is silly (in the best possible way), but it is also a classic, much beloved British sitcom and TM shall always be Lord Percy to me ;)

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Yes, I saw her back story and I still find it ridiculous.  Not only did she call the plant by the wrong name, but she knew what it was immediately.  She also knew the cure using 18th century methods.  So, yup, it bugged.

Would you find it weird for a herpetologist (even a hobbyist one) to correctly identify a certain snake and also have knowledge of it's danger and treatment of a venomous bite?  Because that's what this adds up to.  She's an amateur botanist.  That's the whole reason she returned to the stones because there was a certain plant up there that she wanted to get a better look at.  On top of that she grew up in various primitive areas where she likely would have encountered the notion of natural remedies to common health issues.  Plus her guardian was an archeologist and presumably some of his work would have naturally sunk in here and there.  Then her husband was a historian and all of his talk about his work would have sunk in a bit.  To top it all off, she's a nurse with training that would have included being able to quickly identify certain ailments to the body.  For example, identifying a possible case of poisoning rather than a simple case of constipation.  

 

In any case, we wouldn't even need all this extra stuff about her background.  The fact that she's an amateur botanist is enough to tell us how she could identify a plant, understand that it's poisonous and have an idea of how to counteract the effects.  After all, it would be completely unbelievable if an amateur herpetologist went off on a snake watch without understanding the very basics about the creatures she is monitoring and not taking precautions against an accidental bite. 

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Did anyone catch what exactly Dougal said to Claire right when the musical evening began? All that I could tell: he thanked her for making his brother feel better. Then he said something along the lines of the filly they'd picked up not being such a bad bargain after all. To which she said "charming description" or something. I gathered from this that he was being exceptionally crude.

 

Their encounters in the next episode made me curious about what exactly went down in this scene.

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Did anyone catch what exactly Dougal said to Claire right when the musical evening began? All that I could tell: he thanked her for making his brother feel better. Then he said something along the lines of the filly they'd picked up not being such a bad bargain after all. To which she said "charming description" or something. I gathered from this that he was being exceptionally crude.

 

Their encounters in the next episode made me curious about what exactly went down in this scene.

I can't remember what exactly he said but I'm pretty sure it was something about the "feral cat" they picked up, and her acting tame now? Sheathing her claws? Something along those lines.

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Thanks so much, thingamajig! That sounds right and I'm sure what I thought was "filly" was actually "feral cat"- & the latter is even nastier. Really he's acting like a 12 year old with a crush on a girl- trying to rile her!

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Dougal: My brother looks very well tonight- says it's down to you and your healing touch.

Claire: I'm glad I could be of service

Dougal: Aye. It seems that the feral cat we picked up on the road is trying to pull in her claws.

Claire: Charming description.

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I can't say more than was already said ... so I will just say this ...

 

I want to live in Scotland and have my very own Jamie.

 

So do I, BizBuzz, so do I. Maybe we can clone him - one for each of us. *swoon*. The unbuttoning of Jamie's shirt and collar - *drops dead on floor*

 

That said, man Jamie and Claire have amazing chemistry together. The way he looks at her - so expressive and so seemingly in love/infatuation. And Claire too. I know some have commented on the inappropriateness but I don't really see it. First, she is used to having soldiers around her and is obviously at ease. Second, Jamie gives her a sense of security and companionship. She is alone in the 18th century and Jamie is nice and protective of her. Third, she is married but not dead. Who wouldn't be flattered by the attention of a sexy sexy man. Fourth, it's gives us a nice contrast between how the 18th century people "behave" and a more modern woman behaves.

 

Fast episode - enjoyed it. That priest, how I wanted to smack him. And yes, he will be a problem for Claire. How convenient that it's always God's will for the priest, but when he is personally slighted, of course it's the devil. Prideful evil man.

 

Claire's meddling is going to backfire on her very soon though. She needs to stay out of things, remain unseen, plan her escape covertly.

 

My stomach literally turned when that poor boy had his ear nailed. God, I couldn't watch that. At least he kept his hand. Geillis being nonchalant I can see, but Claire calmly sipping brandy whilst the poor boy was suffering - that was out of character to me.

 

Jamie and Claire do work together really well. I really like his character actually. They both are really good together. Looking forward to the next episode.

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Ha, I love that Claire's default is to stick her nose in, even if she knows it's a terrible idea to get involved. First with Jamie's shoulder and now with two little kids. She just can't help herself! As much as I admire her for wanting to do the right thing, I wish she had a little bit more self preservation in her to avoid calling attention to herself. She keeps forgetting that women were treated differently two hundred years ago and that things in general were different (see: creepy misogynist priest - although I know you could argue that there are still plenty of creepy misogynists in 2014 too).

 

Giulia Farnese definitely gives off the loose cannon vibe so I'm not sure if she is just a crazy shit stirrer who enjoys causing trouble or if she is another time traveler like Claire. Based on the song, Claire isn't the only one who this has happened to (unless she does indeed go back another two hundred years to the 1500s, tells someone her story, and the song is actually about her), so I would be fine with Geillis being another traveler. If anything, it might explain her wackiness. Being trapped in another time might be enough to drive someone batty.

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I'm actually really starting to get into this. But I have to say, I'm really not seeing any sexual tension between Claire and Jamie. Maybe it's because I think it's odd that anyone finds Sam Heughan attractive. 

 

Love Mrs Fitz. 

 

Gellis could be another traveller, her accent certainly isn't a Highland accent, she does seem a little different from the locals. 

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I'm actually really starting to get into this. But I have to say, I'm really not seeing any sexual tension between Claire and Jamie. Maybe it's because I think it's odd that anyone finds Sam Heughan attractive. 

 

I would say that about the guy who plays Geillis' husband. Sam Heughan, on the other hand, while there are other men who I find more attractive, I don't think it's odd that anyone finds him attractive. ;)

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I'm glad Claire realised that just getting back to the stones might not be enough, but could (possibly) send her further back in time. Nice use of the song as a means for providing exposition, though. And I'm so glad that opening spiel was just an "imagine spot": it's such a cliché for people to go, "This is going to sound crazy, but..." and then act surprised when people think they're crazy. Maybe try to think of a way to make it NOT sound crazy (or at least, less crazy) instead?

On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2014 at 10:44 AM, Ariah said:

Claire, Gaellis is onto you! Better be careful what you're letting others see.

I get that she's a modern woman and pissed with 18th Century values, but I'd worry more about what the priest might do if she thinks she's in league with the devil. Gaellis is probably considered "almost a witch" herself, so is less likely to be a threat.

On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2014 at 5:39 PM, annlaw78 said:

Germany was currently part of the Prussian Empire, but the concept of "Germany" and "Germans" had been around a long time.

Well, Germany (at this period, the Holy Roman Empire) was more an extension of the Austrian Empire, Prussia was certainly a major power, but definitely junior to the Austrians (the Holy Roman Emperor was in theory an elected position that any Christian Prince could apply for, but the only time they didn't choose the Austrian ruler was when that was Queen Maria Theresa). The Prussians would in any case be an unlikely choice to establish a monastery in the Catholic Highlands as they were Protestant (archetypally so) - Bavarians or Bohemians would be more likely. But Germany was, if not an unknown concept, certainly not one that was commonly bandied about. 

On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2014 at 11:33 AM, Petunia846 said:

Also, I agree, that if we're going to have nudity, I can think of someone else I'd nominated first.

Hey - equal opportunities for all! #MoreNakedUggos!

On ‎26‎/‎08‎/‎2014 at 1:42 AM, rozen said:

Pretty sure England was pretty loose with the limb chopping in those days, way to blow your cover yet again.

Not really - mutilation as punishment was mostly abolished by the time the Stuarts came in (around 1600). The English had no problems with executing people for (what we would consider) very minor offences, though - generally hanging.

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I'm not too keen on Claire deciding to escape at the end of the episode.  That can't end well.  

I did like that this episode explored the culture shock in regards to ailments, superstitions and justice/punishments.  It was easy to root Claire on to save the sick boy and the punished boy.  

I don't see Claire as leading Jamie on.  In her mind, she was just missing her husband.  Surrounded by so many possible enemies, she felt she could put her guard down a little bit more with him.  Heck, she was even considering telling Mrs. Fitz about where she came from... clearly, she's feeling quite lonely.  I like Gaellis and Claire having a female friend her age, but I agree that maybe she isn't as trustworthy as she seems.

That priest scares me.  If they had cured the boy while he was out, would he have just given himself credit for curing the boy or would he still think the boy was possessed?

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i feel like such a soccer mom watching this even though i'm only 20 lmao

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On 5/7/2018 at 11:07 PM, Iju said:

i feel like such a soccer mom watching this even though i'm only 20 lmao

What does that even mean?

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On 10/05/2018 at 5:01 PM, toolazy said:

What does that even mean?

it's not very appealing on the plot/story side, and that the show is very impossibly "pretty" as in princessy, damsel in distress like. it's clear that no matter where the story goes it's just sex on TV.

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16 hours ago, Iju said:

it's not very appealing on the plot/story side, and that the show is very impossibly "pretty" as in princessy, damsel in distress like. it's clear that no matter where the story goes it's just sex on TV.

It's definitely not for everyone but it's also possible to express dislike for a show without insulting the people who do like the show.  

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7 hours ago, toolazy said:

It's definitely not for everyone but it's also possible to express dislike for a show without insulting the people who do like the show.  

i'm not insulting anyone, in fact i was talking about myself if i was insulting anyone. so i apologize if there are any hard feelings. i'm not necessarily insulting the show either, considering i'm still watching it rn. i was just viewing it in an objective way of what others would have thought of it. but i'm liking it so far :)

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10 hours ago, Iju said:

i'm not insulting anyone, in fact i was talking about myself if i was insulting anyone. so i apologize if there are any hard feelings. i'm not necessarily insulting the show either, considering i'm still watching it rn. i was just viewing it in an objective way of what others would have thought of it. but i'm liking it so far :)

Groovy.  Sorry if I misunderstood. As much as I love the show, I don't always like to admit it because folks have preconceived notions of what Outlander fans are like.  

 

On 4/18/2015 at 3:09 PM, jaytee1812 said:

 

Gellis could be another traveller, her accent certainly isn't a Highland accent, she does seem a little different from the locals. 

That's probably just because the actress - Lotte Verbeek - is actually Dutch in real life so any accent weirdnesses are probably a result of that. 

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On 5/17/2018 at 1:03 AM, Iju said:

it's not very appealing on the plot/story side, and that the show is very impossibly "pretty" as in princessy, damsel in distress like. it's clear that no matter where the story goes it's just sex on TV.

Are you watching this for the first time?  Right now they are still very much setting up the plot and the characters.  The real story has not really started yet.  I think if you give this a chance, you'll find your statement to be very, very far from the truth.

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On 21/05/2018 at 5:19 PM, Ziggy said:

Are you watching this for the first time?  Right now they are still very much setting up the plot and the characters.  The real story has not really started yet.  I think if you give this a chance, you'll find your statement to be very, very far from the truth.

actually i just finished the first season and i still stick by what i predicted, lol. sorry if it offends anyone though. it's not that i don't like the show though, as i said before. the characters are pretty appealing and all. but who knows, maybe the future seasons will change my mind ;)

On 18/05/2018 at 12:40 PM, toolazy said:

Groovy.  Sorry if I misunderstood. As much as I love the show, I don't always like to admit it because folks have preconceived notions of what Outlander fans are like.  

no, it's fine^^

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