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  1. Hee. I actually liked that entire segment of the show with some of the more eccentric past guests and how their lives had supposedly "changed" since the show. The humor was corny as all get out, but apparently hubby and I like that kind of stuff, because we both smiled great big smiles through that entire segment... and we got to see Hans again, so bonus. I was pleasantly surprised by the top 4. And in a way - though I'm sure winning would have been nice for them and I could've gotten behind their win also - I could imagine that the logistics for Zurcaroh getting the win might have been a bit daunting. Whereas with Shin Lim winning, it will be just him and maybe some of his family going to Las Vegas for his show, with Zurcaroh that would have been what, maybe 40 or 50 families that might've had to be disrupted to move to Las Vegas or to make arrangements for family members to be away from the family for a while. Many of the children might've had to take off time from school and/or give up their summer vacation to do a show, and coordinating the schedules and lives of all of those members would've been a messy task I would imagine. I would've felt badly for any of them who wouldn't be able to be part of the actual Vegas show for whatever reason. This way, maybe with the exposure Zurcaroh got from the show, they might get the opportunity to do a few shows more on their own terms without having to be locked into a Vegas contract that might disrupt the lives of some of the performers and maybe their families for an unknown amount of time.
  2. S04.E01: Lazarus Rising

    I agree that that is consistent with Dean's pre-hell behavior, and it makes some sense for when he is with Sam and even Bobby, but when Dean comes out of his grave, he's alone. There shouldn't have to be the immediate compartmentalization or denial at that point. He has no immediate emergencies to deal with. He's just there... and in my opinion, should have been more freaked out - especially by Castiel showing up and "talking" to him - before he maybe "pulled it together" and went on. I guess I would have liked just a bit of transition rather than "oh, he's acting just like regular Dean. I guess he's okay..." I would've even been okay with a time passing kind of montage where it took Dean a few days maybe even to pull himself together and decide to go find everyone... there was no need in my opinion for Dean to just get up and go right away. ...But that's probably just me. As it was, I didn't so much see the lying as such as find the revelation that he did remember everything - for me anyway - as seemingly coming out of left field, because what he did remember should've sent Dean screaming to the nuthouse rather than soldiering on as if nothing happened. So the "surprise reveal" fell flat, because for me it just didn't seem entirely believable. I would rather have known from the beginning and seen a more - for me - believable (as much as it could be anyway) build-up to what we got later. I could understand why Sam didn't see it - not only because he was involved with his own crap and crappy behavior - but because I didn't really see it either, even in retrospect... at least until maybe "Yellow Fever" - but since I dislike that episode a lot and don't rewatch it, it doesn't count for me as much.
  3. The problem for me may be that I came in on this near the end - I forget what happened that I didn't see the whole thing. Maybe I'll have to watch this from the beginning, but the part I came in on was just "NO" for me. I turned it on, and immediately I was thinking "this sounds awful. Why is she screaming? What song is this? I should know this... Oh, it's Snow Patrol. I love this song. What is she doing to it?" I think part of the affect of the song for me is the slow build of it and the haunting vocals backed by the swelling music. In my opinion, it does not translate into a belting vocal as it appeared to me that Glennis was trying to do. And actually the end of the original song ends softly after an instrumental build. Okay - just watched the whole performance. The beginning was better, but it was just too much at the end and the belting wasn't the way the song was intended to sound in my opinion. It's supposed to have an air of guarded hopefulness and crescendo and then recede (hope and determination guarded by a bit of reality.) This way just seemed rushed with only one verse and the rest chorus. Also piano instead of strings - for me - just doesn't have the same impact.
  4. S04.E01: Lazarus Rising

    I so agree with this... me too, and a lot because of this: it almost seems that way to me, too... And this: I also agree. I think that it was done for the supposed "pay off" later, but I think they went too far with it when they didn't have to, and the end result was taking away some of Sam's point of view and some of the sympathy we might have had for him later on. And to that same point, I think the time jump did something similar. That we didn't see Sam having to bury Dean I think was a mistake in terms of garnering sympathy and motivation for Sam's actions. It was a very important part of Dean's motivation to make the deal that he was left behind with a dead Sam... Had we just seen Dean make the deal without that scene of him talking to Sam's body, for example, Dean's motivation for making the deal would've been much less clear - and in my opinion - probably less sympathetic. I think Sam's character suffered from the ambiguity of not having a similar - or even contrasting - scene. I would like to have known Sam's mindset after being faced with that. How did he get to burying Dean instead of a hunter's funeral? How did he convince Bobby to go along with that plan (Dean might need his body just in case - or however it was Bobby said that Sam put it - should've sent alarm bells off for Bobby, not agreement), or is that why Dean was buried in Pontiac and so modestly and seemingly hastily? ...So Bobby wouldn't be able to find Dean's body and do a hunter's funeral. I also think the ambiguity of Dean's did he remember hell or didn't he was similarly too much ambiguity - for me anyway - because later on I was trying to make the pieces fit, and they just didn't fit so well for me. It seemed in this episode - for me - that except for a few flashes, Dean didn't remember. He was acting too calmly and normally in that first scene, so my conclusion was that he didn't remember just like he said. So later on when that first scene just didn't seem to ring true for me in retrospect, and I kind of resented that ambiguity for supposed later payoff set up. That's just my opinion, though. I know others disagree on this point.
  5. Battlebots (2018): All Episodes Talk

    Sadly no, our cable does not get the Science Channel in our package which is already really expensive. We get the first tier (basically local channels and shopping channels - 2-20 something) and second tier channels. They put the Science Channel on the third tier. We considered satellite, but we live among really tall trees. Our previous neighbor got it for about two weeks before becoming frustrated and going back to cable.
  6. The thing that I got from all of this was: I miss Hans.
  7. Battlebots (2018): All Episodes Talk

    Oh man, I was saying "Oh noooo... Huge!" ...while at the same time admiring the fight. Oh yes, there was a lot going on there. I thought for sure that in the previous fight that second bot - who KO'd the first bot out - would win, but it turned its back on the other bot and that was a fatal mistake. For me that was a really entertaining episode. I wish I could rewatch it, but sadly, for some reason they don't show Battlebots on our On Demand. Boo! Oh, maybe they'll show it at 7:00 next week... we usually don't get back that early on Fridays, but I might have to try.
  8. I was more trying to imply the writers were potentially giving Sam busy work rather than making him look bad ; ) ***...Otherwise, pretty much you're right... And: Hee! *** Things could be much worse in that department.
  9. Well, maybe for the PR people, the fact that Michael wanted to use Dean as a vessel to stop Lucifer from destroying the world in both cases is similar enough for them? My interpretation: Show writer #1: "Oh crap, do we have anything for Sam to do?" Show writer #2: "What does Sam usually do?" Show writer #3: "Well, lately he gets in trouble and someone has to save him." Show writer #2: "That's not going to work, because Dean is Michael right now, so he can't save Sam... I know! Didn't Sam used to research a lot? We can have him research!" Show writer #1: "But how can we fit that into the current plot? Isn't everyone supposed to be looking for Dean?" Show writer #3: "I know! We can have Sam research angel... stuff. That'll give him something to do until Dean figures out a way to save himself." Show writer #2: "Brilliant! Think of something for Sam to research that sounds sort of relevant, but isn't really all that helpful, so he doesn't get answers right away. That'll keep him busy..." Show writer #3: "Like what happens when angels use people as vessels." Show writer #1: "Wait, but wouldn't Sam know that, because he was an angel vessel himself? Twice?" Show writer #2: "Pfff that was way back in season 9. No one remembers that..."
  10. Yeah, I'd actually have no problem with Dean still being a virgin at age 16 for whatever reason... However that he supposedly hadn't even kissed a girl yet - when the show had already established that Sam knew Plucky's because Dean dropped him off there to go chase girls sometimes - seems laughable to me. Unless I'm supposed to believe that in all the time Dean chased girls he never made out with any, or that a 12 year old Sam (if Dean supposedly didn't "chase girls" until he was 16) would actually stay at Plucky's rather than insist on going to a library or staying home (since John was already leaving Sam home alone to go to school on his own around that age by that time in the series, I think.) And the Dean we saw as a senior in high school - so 18? - didn't seem at all uncomfortable around girls, so that would've - to me - been a rather big turn around / personality change from 16 1/2 to 18 1/2. ...Though I guess that's more probable than a 12 - or even 10 - year old Sam playing passively with a toy plane in the back seat of the car after not seeing Dean for 2 months. (I agree with @Pondlass1: how did that get by vetting?) And I'm not sure what Glass - or anyone on the show - was trying to convey with that one, but it looked fairly bad for everyone Winchester except Dean. The John part of the story was pretty damn callous in my opinion, too... and also weirdly not believable to me. Would secretive John actually let Dean stay in someone else's care for two months and not be paranoid that someone might find out the family secrets somehow? Even to teach Dean a lesson that seems an awful big risk for John to take for me. What if Dean accidentally let something slip? Letting Dean get chewed out by the judge and letting him spend a couple nights in jail and/or do community service maybe seems more plausible to me, because at least then Dean would be in John's sight, and, more importantly, not in someone else's sight for a long period of time.
  11. Two things we entirely agree on. : ) I bought it mainly because I think Jared was able to sell it for me, and at that point in the series - season 10 - I could maybe see it. I agree it was a bit heavy-handed though... but then again I found a lot of Glass' episodes to be heavy-handed, and at least that episode wasn't downright Sam negative. I can also see why you might dislike the episode though. And it didn't begin to make up for "Southern Comfort" (Haaaate, and another story that didn't work for me at all) or "Sharp Teeth" (that Garth line still grates on me, and of course we had Sam having to be saved yet again... and come to think of it, that story didn't work for me either.) I haven't read that forward that's been talked about, so will have to take the word of those who have, but based on his episodes, I really wonder where it came from, because Glass never really had Sam as heroic in any of them that I recall, and in at least one Sam was downright passive, bordering on cowardly. I guess a case could be made for at least some Sam self-sacrifice in "Adventures in Babysitting," but Glass still managed to make Sam look completely incompetent. Yup, I was really glad when Glass left. Yeah, that was completely ridiculous, in my opinion... and not going with canon. Unless we're to believe that Dean was leaving Sam at Plucky's to chase girls when Sam was 12 or that Dean was really going somewhere other than chasing girls when he left Sam at Plucky's. But even if Dean was supposed to be 14 1/2, I agree with @Katy M that the Sam in the car looked more like 8 tops - which still would've been two years too young and at 10 would've been well past the time he would've been playing with a toy airplane rather than reading a book or something. Not to mention seemingly totally oblivious and uninterested in what was going on - which didn't seem like Sam at any age we saw him beyond 6. Sam in the Christmas episode flashbacks, for example, was already finding John's journal and asking a cazillion questions. The whole thing made little sense to me and should've been fixed before going to air. Even weirder is that the director, Kevin Parks - according to SuperWiki - is supposed to have almost encyclopedic knowledge of the show (being nicknamed Parksapedia) and was the first assistant director on odd numbered episodes. He was even portrayed in "The French Mistake" and so had presumably been around the show for quite a while... which makes it all even more non-sensical that they went with the ages and portrayals that they did in that episode, since there isn't an excuse like "well, the director just didn't know any better."
  12. Which is interesting, because I consider many of Adam Glass' episodes to be either Sam as damsel in distress, fairly Sam unfriendly, or both. Those that weren't were generally very Dean-centric with either Sam barely there, Sam learning a very special lesson, or both. (with "Bad Boys" being an good example where Glass didn't even bother to get Sam's age even close to right.) He also wrote one of the most, in my opinion, insulting to Sam lines I remember from the show thrown in as a "joke" which really wasn't in my opinion. Of all of Adam Glass' episodes, I really like only 2: "Mommy Dearest" and "About A Boy." "Like A Virgin"*** and "Mother's Little Helper" are okay, but even that last one was a "Sam learns a special lesson episode" and much of the "action" for Sam's part in it was shared with flashbacks to side characters. I could have liked "As Time Goes By," but it was mainly all about Sam being a damsel in distress and completely incompetent so that Grandpa Henry would have to sacrifice to save the day. Even the two episodes of his I really like ("Mommy Dearest" and "About a Boy") are more Dean saving the day with the second one even being a typical Sam as Damsel in distress episode, but at least Sam isn't written as a complete jerk like he is in many of Glass' episodes, so there's that... And Glass did give us Sam's "you pulled a Dean Winchester" - which is nice of Sam and a good moment from him, but is in the end more about Dean. So based on Glass' episodes from the show, if I had to guess anything, I would guess that he either hadn't watched the show much before he wrote the forward, or he didn't much agree with what he wrote, because - for me - it didn't show up much in his own episodes... a lot of which featured Sam as a damsel in distress and getting saved rather than doing any saving. *** I like Eleanor.
  13. My guess is they did this because they had pretty much tarnished Sam's character pretty badly in season 4... beyond what was needed for the storyline, in my opinion. It was like a make up call by a referee. Or compensation. Sort of a "sorry we turned your favorite character into a lying, brother mocking, demon-screwing, blood-sucking, arrogant, drug addict, killer of innocent people... here have this heroic scene to make up for it." And I know that there are likely complaints about what happened with Dean in season 4, but for me, there just isn't any comparison, since for me, in the end, Dean was the only one who came out looking in any way good in season 4... and I do mean the only one... except maybe Anna, but they took care of that in season 5. I thought the season 2 finale was pretty flashy and had quite a bit of set up. John did help, but Dean got the flashy fiery bullet and slow motion effects... along with all of the closure with YED. And you may call the other finales "kiddie table," but there were a couple of them, so they add up in my opinion. And in general, the onscreen stuff for those "kiddie apocalypses" was mainly Dean with other help that wasn't Sam. There were also some major players, too, some of those with set up and flashy effects - like Zachariah for example. Those may not count for you, but for me they do count. At least Dean had other motives. And he defeated (yes with help) Lucifer. Those "loathsome" reasons you mentioned were all that were given to Sam in season 10... and then Sam started an apocalypse because of it... that he had almost no part in stopping later beyond cheerleader, even though many other characters, including Rowena, had an active role in contributing. So for me, I guess I just don't see this as much of a snub to Dean unless they also snubbed Sam too, and likely worse since Sam had no saving the world motive to even pretend to point to and instead put the world in danger. Again. And even if you stripped away all of the world-saving reasons - which tough to do in my opinion since the goal was killing Lucifer who had been a threat for years - Dean was saving two of his family members and not only did that, but got the bad guy to boot. Comparing that to Sam saving one - with a bunch of help, oh and Dean also getting rid of a threat without even batting an eyelash - and causing an apocalypse in doing so, I'm thinking that Dean looks much better in comparison here no matter which way you compare those scenarios. I sympathize that you didn't get the Dean saves the world by himself scenario that you wanted, but at the same time, you also didn't have to get the crap that Sam got saddled with both before and after that one save {which in my opinion Sam didn't accomplish on his own either - but I didn't need him to.) I would much rather Sam hadn't had that if it meant that his character not been trashed beforehand or the other times he was. So I guess neither of us got exactly what we wanted.
  14. But for me, this doesn't bother me, because I never thought that flashy heroics was what the show was about anyway. I always thought that the show was more about loyalty, family no matter how you define it, and making the right choice even if it might hurt you in the end. About being the human hero who does it because it is right, not because it gets you glory. (To quote a favorite character of mine: "Can't do something smart... then do something right.") The show is filled with characters who have powers, and powers much greater than Sam and Dean, but as Crowley says, that doesn't matter - the "denim clad nightmares" still defeat them in the end. In my opinion, this isn't a superhero show. The most powerful beings don't generally win. And when Sam or Dean do have powers, in my opinion, they often they win in spite of those powers not because of them. Generally the powers get in the way or result in bad things most of the time. Sam's powers allowing him to kill Lilith which started the apocalypse, Dean's powers making him think he could go after Metatron, resulting in his death. There will be smaller "wins" along the way - like Alastair and Famine and Abandon and Death - but when it comes down to the big showdown, generally the message is powers = bad, in my opinion. Dean didn't need powers to kill Zachariah or Dick Roman or Eve. Sam and Dean didn't need powers to defeat War. I don't think that this show cares about flashy - as evidenced by the "big showdown" in Stull Cemetery being Michael and Lucifer arguing - and if they try, they often do it badly - like the recent Michael / Lucifer fight. It's because, in my opinion, they don't care about flashy... that's not - or ever has been - important for their story. And looking for it here is only going to be disappointing, because it's not what the writers care about, in my opinion. And I think that there are many examples... Take Purgatory. What I thought should have been the important story - that Dean lived through that year and learned that he was capable beyond what he could do for people, because he had mad skills - in my opinion wasn't even a consideration. Even the arc that appeared to show some of that - Castiel telling Dean that it wasn't his fault that Dean couldn't save Cas - was subsequently ignored. It was all about Dean was loyal to Castiel and Benny and vica versa... the end. Not what that should mean for character growth for Castiel and especially Dean. Never mind that Dean learned that he could survive in all that with his fighting skills. Nah that's not important. He was loyal to Benny and Castiel... that's all we care about. That's why I disagree that Sam's Amelia arc was supposed to be a good thing - no matter what the writers tried to say later - because Sam wasn't "loyal" to Dean or Kevin, so in the end he was going to fail and wasn't going to complete the trials, because he wasn't worthy, and his guilt bore that out. (That was the message that I got out of that anyway... and we revisited it in season 11, so I don't think I was entirely crazy in that interpretation.) So basically what I am saying is that for the writers, Dean being in Stull, showing family loyalty and imparting his "power of love" IS the show's idea of being a hero. It is the highest and most heroic thing they can think of. It's why they showed in "The End" that without it, the world would be doomed. The "hero" (Sam) would be nothing and fail and not be heroic at all without it, thereby meaning that the person who makes that possible - Dean - is the real hero or at least just as much of a hero, because he's the only one who made it all possible. I think to Kripke the roles are equivalent. Neither can work without the other - though apparently according to "The End", it is perhaps Dean's role that is even more pivotal. Something similar happened in "All Hell... pt 2." Dean wielded the Colt with all of the power in the world to kill YED, but maybe without John there that wouldn't have been enough to kill him. Dean needed that help and assurance from John to make sure it happened. In early season 7, both Sam's first and then Dean's subsequent "power of love" displays helped get through to Castiel and resulted in all of the purgatory souls (except the Leviathans) getting put back in... Sam's angel blade did nothing. Killing Dick Roman required teamwork, not superpowers. Same with Eve. Sam's loyalty and faith in Dean got through to Dean and we got a dead Zachariah instead of a possessed Dean. (I know some would have preferred a Michael / Dean, but in my opinion - and I'm not going to change my mind about this one - Michael was the Bad Guy with no exploitable chinks in his armor, so in my opinion it was right that it didn't happen.) And there are likely more examples, but it all pretty much fits a pattern for me. As I said above, in my scenario and what I think happened in "Swan Song" Sam's "powers" had nothing to do with defeating Lucifer. The powers, imo, more got in the way actually, making Sam over-confident and saying "yes" when he shouldn't have. I thought that the narrative showed that rather well. It was only later, after the demon blood, and when Lucifer was vulnerable, that Sam took advantage - much like Jesse's mother, who was just a regular human, too - and did what had to be done ("hide" the baby, fall into the hole). And for me, that it wasn't Sam who defeated Lucifer makes no difference. For me, that Sam was willing to sacrifice himself and jump into that hole, knowing what that would mean, is what made Sam heroic. There were no powers involved in that decision, and that decision was - for me - the critical thing. I watch this show for that kind of thing, so I'm okay with that.