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  1. S04.E16: ... I Lose Myself

    I'm unclear if Martha was injured because she allowed Zombie Jim to bite her in that episode (I think someone on the after show mentioned this??), or, If her previous gun shot wound to her neck / shoulder area got infected, but something was going to turn her into a Zombie. (Wendell or someone from his group on the previous episode shot her when she got out of the SWAT van to confront them.) Morgan handcuffed her to a car in the finale. She turned into a zombie after that and bit her arm off and got up and shambled off. After she turned into a Zombie, Morgan later put her down with his walking stick through her face (if that is what you were asking).
  2. S04.E16: ... I Lose Myself

    I've explained this on a previous thread or two, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record on this, but I really get and empathize where Crazy Lady is coming from. When my mother died a few years ago, nobody helped me through the grief (even when I reached out and asked for help, which was not easy for me to do), and people's unwillingness (including family of mine) to assist me left me shocked, hurt, and battling anger and bitterness. I also come from a family that believes asking for help is a form of weakness. In my family (the exception to this was my mother), you're supposed to be a tough guy and soldier on. In my family, you're never supposed admit to others that you're hurting emotionally or that you need help, because you're supposed to keep up an appearance of being strong. (Being vulnerable, admitting to wanting help or to having a problem, or asking for help, is viewed as weak, and therefore shameful, so it's supposed to be ignored or pushed down and never addressed.) I can totally understand how and why Crazy Lady snapped when nobody stopped to help her in her time of need, and why she associates being a zombie with being strong - because zombies are not human and have no needs.
  3. S04.E16: ... I Lose Myself

    Crazy Lady used Al as a carrier pigeon - she planted a video for Morgan on to Al.
  4. S04.E16: ... I Lose Myself

    Unless I saw things incorrectly, Al at least spun around when she heard the Jimbo walker on a stick. I know it's been a complaint on many a forum (not just this one) for years that nobody (on this show or the original TWD) ever hears a zombie sneaking up behind them until it's too late. But it looked to me as though Al spun around when she heard the shuffling footsteps of Zombie-Jim. Al did hesitate with the shot gun when she spun back around after capping that one far off zombie. She didn't shoot Martha at that point, which got her clipped in the head by Martha. In one episode, she was shown using cruddy, old, rain water that was in some open container to pour into one of the water bottles. I could see how cruddy, dirty water could make someone sick at the very least, maybe cause them to vomit or develop a fever. After Morgan pulled that spike thing out of his leg, they did show him pressing has hand on the wound to apply pressure to the wound.
  5. S04.E16: ... I Lose Myself

    Despite one or two small details, I enjoyed the FTWD season finale. As to one of the small details that bothered me - when Al shot up the Ethanol (alcohol) truck (when trying to hit zombies), and it sprang a leak. There was nothing stopping anyone there, that I could tell, from grabbing an empty glass or bucket, running up to the truck, and catching some of the leaking stuff to drink in an empty glass or bucket. But as it was, we were told there was no more ethanol left, leaving Morgan to find the beer truck to rescue everyone a bit later. Other than one or two small nit-picks with the episode such as that one, I enjoyed it. I appreciate the fact that they wrapped the whole thing up and did not leave any cliff-hangers in place. You can reasonably debate, I suppose, whether or not Morgan should've tried to redeem Crazy Martha, but as I learned more about her and Morgan's rationale for why he was trying to save her (as he explained to John), I found that a satisfying story line, I could see why Morgan wanted to save her, though at first I thought he should just leave her alone. I think it's good they wrapped up Martha's story line rather than have that go on and on and on over another season or two. I was very happy to see more of my favorite character, John Dorie, and his relationship with that June lady is so sweet, I enjoy watching them on-screen together. They need to have Dorie in more episodes, and give his character stuff to do. He was absent for three episodes in a row this season, which was, IMO, unacceptable! I guess the group is going to be the Texas (or are they in Mississippi now??) version of Alexandria, VA, as they were discussing towards the end making a base camp in the denim factory and making runs out every so often to find new people (via Al's tapes) to include in their new community.
  6. S04.E15: I Lose People...

    I'm not sure if it was your post or someone else's I saw who was asking why didn't Alicia shoot Martha, or someone saying wishing that she had shot her. My theory as to why Alicia did not put Martha down is because in the same episode Alicia told - Morgan I think - that she wants to help people now, and not shooting Martha but trying to get Martha medical care and stuff would qualify as helping someone. I realize that Martha is nutty, and has been shooting at the group, so, in self defense, yes, IMO, they would be justified in taking her out. However. I'm leery of anyone going over-board with the "let's just kill everyone who poses a threat and be done with it" attitude because that thinking led to Rick Grimes on the original series becoming just as bad as the baseball bat carrying villain, where he was just shooting anyone and everyone, not even giving them a chance. But I'm also not a supporter of Morgan's pacifist outlook, either, where he's like never, ever shoot anyone for any reason, ever. (My philosophy in how to deal with horrible or violent people can be found in that Kenny Rogers song - Coward of the County - about avoiding a fight if you can, but there are times you have no choice but to fight, or fighting is actually the moral choice.)
  7. S04.E15: I Lose People...

    I enjoyed the episode. I was very glad to see more of John Dorie. Oh, and he got his hat back! I know Martha the Crazy Lady has a thing about being helped, but they did help her, and she is still stuck on taking them out. I think they bandaged her shoulder/neck wound and everything too (?) I would think that their kindness would eventually get through to her and cause her to have a change of heart. I'm a little surprised that the show still has Morgan wanting to return to Virginia.
  8. S04.E14: MM 54

    We have Snickers chocolate candy bars in the United States, same marketing gimmick - something like "Snickers satisfies you." I've usually seen it go the opposite... when Americans refer to Great Britain as "England" people from there laugh because they say it sounds quaint, old fashioned or weird to refer to their nation as "England" rather than "Great Britain."
  9. S04.E14: MM 54

    I'm not defending her killing people, only saying as someone who experienced a similar situation in real life, I sure as heck understand her motivation for why she did what she did. (Some above were being very critical of her, saying they don't understand why she would just kill people because her husband died - oh I understand it completely. I understand where her anger is coming from.) From her perspective, when those cars went whizzing by, all she knows is those people did not stop to help her, and that's what matters. Maybe the people leaving Boxes would've helped her had they come across her sooner, but that doesn't matter to her now. And yes, I was emotionally stuck in grief much longer than I should have been, because nobody was there to help me through it - moving on is easier said than done, especially if you have to go through it alone, like that lady on the show had to do, but now Morgan is at least reaching out to her, trying to connect with her. Okay, I didn't get that when I watched it. If they repeat it again, I'll pay close attention next time to see if I can spot the zombie going after Jim's back when he's turned to reach for the scissors or whatever that weapon/tool was.
  10. S04.E14: MM 54

    I think the husband was likely to die no matter what, but as someone who was in a kind-of, sort-of similar experience as the TV show lady when my mother died in real life, I think the main issue is that this lady was scared, alone, etc, and nobody stopped to just sit by her and offer her emotional support. Even if the guy was going to die, it was awful that there was nobody there to just sit with her and hold her hand thru the whole thing, and after his passing. Something like that can break a person, it about broke me. She may have even known he was going to die, but she was at least needing or wanting another person to sit with her and validate her experience and be a shoulder to cry on, but nobody would stop. I got a lot of that after my mother died years ago, and it hurts like hell, and it can turn you bitter and angry if you give in to it.
  11. S04.E13: Blackjack

    I watched that episode yet again when it was re-run yesterday in the lead up to the new ep. I didn't even put that together. I didn't even really notice too much the bird squawking until I saw this ep on repeat yesterday. The first time I saw the show, I do remember seeing the bird, and I remember John telling Strand he used to get lots of those birds at his cabin, but I didn't pay this much attention. But when I re-watched this yesterday, this was the first time I noticed that the bird was making a lot of noise. But even so, I never put together the zombies being attracted to the other shore when the battery died when they heard the bird squawking (I don't recall hearing the bird at that point). I'm not even really sure I'm grasping John's plan. Was the idea to run the car battery noise to attract zombies on the other side, so the zombies would walk into the water to get eaten by the alligator, therefore John would not have to fight off any zombies if he reached the other shore/side? Was that the plan? When the battery died, Strand told John to fire his revolver into the air (which John was reluctant to do but he did)- why did Strand suggest that, especially when he was planning on going back to the original shore, not the opposite one with the zombies? Was having John shoot in the air after the battery noise died meant to attract the zombies to their 'Alligator Demise'?
  12. S04.E12: Weak

    Well, if you are directionally challenged, have anxiety (including a huge fear of getting lost while driving to a new locale) like I do, maybe not. A couple of years ago, I had to drive to see a new dentist, never been to his office before. Most of the streets 'round where I live have numbered names, but many of them also have a "regular" name in addition to their number. So, for example, I was looking to turn a right on to "Pine Street," as that was what it was called on the Google map I looked at before I left the house, but the street sign itself for Pine St is also known as 40th street, so the sign says 40th St not Pine on it. As a result, I drove past my turn off (40th street, because I was looking for a sign that said "Pine" on it). It wasn't until I kept driving and driving and driving that I realized, "Hmm, I wonder if I missed my turn off, and if Pine is also known as 30th street or what not." I also had a problem like this a few weeks ago driving home, taking a different route from the store. I was supposed to turn off on 65th street, but I didn't see the street sign. I noticed the numbers on the sign names getting bigger. By the time I saw 95th street, it was then it dawned on me, "I must have terribly over shot 65th, I need to turn back." I get easily confused when driving. I could honestly see myself falling for the 27th fake mile marker gimmick by the Crazy Lady, even though I knew I just went past 20, and 21 should come after 20, not 27. I could see me thinking, "Did the high way people screw up? What is going on?"
  13. S04.E14: MM 54

    There are still medical doctors and nurses. June (who was a trauma nurse) saved John Dorie after he was shot. Martha the Crazy Lady could've used other people's help in removing the guard rail that had impaled her spouse. I don't know if that was something one person could've done alone. In TWD, when Hershel got bit on a leg by a zombie, Rick chopped off his leg, thus saving his life. On the original show, there was Denise the medical student at Alexandria who helped people, and later, Carl saved the Muslim guy who was a doctor (or doctor in training?). Hilltop had the baby doctor who gave pregnant Maggie a check-up. There may not be full blown working, staffed medical facilities in the apocalypse, but both shows have had scenes where a person was able to save someone else's life if that person was injured.
  14. S04.E14: MM 54

    My understanding is that his helping people was him shoving a kid out of the way of almost being hit by a car. Then later in life, for whatever reason, his dream was to join the Marines, who turned him down for being in a wheelchair. Wanting to help people (save the kid from being hit by a car) is what ruined his later in life dream or career choice of being in the military. I don't think he was saying that being a Marine was his idea of helping others. His idea of helping people (saving that kid in the street) is what caused him problems later in life (not being accepted into the Marines). But I guess some people could consider being in the military a form of helping other people (in that you are serving your country).
  15. S04.E14: MM 54

    I believe he (Martha's husband) was impaled on a guard rail. The original show established that everyone who dies, regardless if they were bit or not, turns into a zombie, but Rick Grimes only found this out very early on because the CDC guy told him. I'm not sure if everyone in the apocalypse has by this time learned this or has seen a non-bit person turn and then figure it out that way. Jim the beer guy was bitten on the back by a zombie. I watched the episode two more times last night after it aired the first time, but I never saw a zombie get any where near Jim's back, not even the zombie he fought off at the hospital. I suppose we're meat to assume the bite took place off-camera? If the bite happens on an arm or leg, the original show characters dealt with this by chopping off the affected area. But if you're bitten on the back, shoulder, or neck, you're out of luck with that tactic.