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  1. AI in the Media

    They were both probably the worst and most annoying judges ever, if not tying Paula Abdul. Talent-wise, season 12 was horrendous, which coincided well with the awful judges. Steven Tyler likely helped garner more interest, as well. From what I remember, a lot of people hated season 9 at the time, so season 10 increasing in quality could have brought in and kept viewers even without a certain judge being responsible. I hate JLo, too, but her being on the panel probably didn't affect ratings much compared to the Idol franchise growing continually staler and the contestants from the last 3 seasons being milquetoast and boring. Certainly a lot of the more recent judges were irritating, but it makes little sense to blame them for ratings and interest going down. Maybe blaming the focus on the judges is more accurate, since the contestants were shafted as a result. Wouldn't you think all of the obsessive voting for the same mold of a singer time and time again would result in these voters giving out some post-show support? Nick's career has been dismal because he lacks charisma and sounds like a bar singer, and Trent hasn't even put out an album yet. The same type of winner keeps getting carried to the finale by a fanbase who won't care afterwards. Especially nowadays with music in a streaming format, not having the Idol winner with a few singles to throw on Spotify/Apple Music the day after the finale is embarrassing. "Hang tight, guys, I might have news about a delayed album in 6 months". That's not how anybody's going to stick around as a fan.
  2. AI in the Media

    @holly4755 That's true, I forgot to mention her doing Reality Check. If she hadn't done those videos, I'd think anyone mentioning her of all people to come back were insane because of how random it'd be. I was going to question if making reviews is proof enough of being a decent judge on TV, but then again, most other judges don't even have a 'demo reel' like that beforehand. @wings707 Randy says he'll come back if the other judges do, in case that sounds promising to you. It may be a bit misleading to say bringing back the old judges will make the reboot less about them because then people will be waiting for Randy's soundbites and Simon's harsh criticism instead of a new cast that aren't already linked to the show with certain expectations in place. Simon was pretty bland on AGT last year, anyways, quite watered down compared to years ago. I get why you want the old judges, since they're associated with Idol's peak, and a new table could definitely suck, but the term "nostalgic reboot" is a contradiction if the show is relaunched as a 'version 2.0' yet still has almost all components of the first one.
  3. AI in the Media

    That makes complete sense; a common reaction to the rumors of Idol coming back next year was that it was too early to get started now, but that was probably from assuming it had to air in January. As long as they don't trim too much off the series or at least have results shows, it's fine.
  4. AI in the Media

    Even though many of the rumored details are unconfirmed, the show would be crippled from the outset if they were true. No Ryan Seacrest would pretty much make the show be known as 'American Idol' by name only, although it makes sense if ABC could get away with paying a new host less money, since Ryan was making $15 million per season. Unless this was said by a commenter and not a real source, apparently Idol might get taped in New York, which could prevent the need for Ryan to travel between LA and NY constantly for Idol/Live. Maybe Nick Cannon would be a decent replacement host, though his lively personality that worked for AGT might cheapen a show that's a little bit more serious. Starting the show in March sounds like changing things just for the sake of change. Of course the "Idol's coming back" promo and buzz will let everyone know when the premier is, but if viewers were accustomed to a season that started in January for 15 years, why mess with it? That better not also mean that the new series will only air from March to May, like I've seen speculated. A 12 week season is pitifully short, just like 2016's season was criticized for being too brief. With the television climate reduced to the lows it's at now due to competition from streaming, you would expect ABC to seek a proper return for the money spent on obtaining the Idol IP by getting as many episodes as possible. I can't remember if this was reported by the usually unreliable TMZ or somewhere else, but I heard a rumor of the revival season airing on Sundays. Unless this was only inspired by trying to figure out how Ryan could format his schedule in order to host, what's the point? Especially for something like a live talent show, airing on the weekend seems so tacky. Sundays are hailed as the golden night for TV, except most of the shows people watch on Sundays are dramas. (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, etc.) Other than that, FOX airs new episodes of The Simpsons, Family Guy, and Bob's Burgers. Those shows make sense to air on that day, and even if it did, I doubt most TV viewers would pick American Idol over all of the other shows. It can't just be recorded to the PVR for later when voting and results are the main part of the show, so ABC hoping to compete with everything else would probably be a disaster once the newness of Idol wears off. Tuesday-Thursday was deemed as a suitable time by the upwards of 40 million viewers at the (long ago) peak, so why change it and risk alienating more people. Seems like another pointless change, if true. All new judges is a good thing. Nobody will miss Jennifer Lopez and her constant closeups. Her and the rest of the panel were borderline sycophantic to the contestants, it gets boring to hear how everyone's amazing, or a thick euphemism for "you sucked"...."but you're beautiful". Kelly Clarkson would be an okay judge, if for nothing else but bridging the gap between old and new iterations of Idol, but at the same time, the franchise getting a refresh may mean wanting to exclude references to the distant past. It's not like Kelly is a forgotten relic who stopped being relevant long ago, but having the season one winner in such a prominent role only emphasizes "hey, look at the star power this show made 15 years ago!" The old contestants were already heavily celebrated throughout the last season, it's done. I don't get why some are advocating for people like Melinda Doolittle to get a spot at the table - American Idol is essentially a game show, but presented as a gateway to the music industry, so it makes more sense to have the judges be people with a good amount of pull in the business, famous or not. Middle aged women are still deifying Adam Lambert and saying he has to judge the new season, I've never got what's so magnetic about him that he needs to keep coming back to the show. He sings with Queen, it sounds like he's plenty busy. With only a year without Idol, it feels like the reboot is going to flop. Not enough time was spent away to make enough people miss it, Ryan might not even host, the music industry is bloated as hell with the barrier to entry being much easier than before, etc.. I'll watch, but unless more details are revealed and it sounds promising, I expect a very bastardized version that will get quickly cancelled and made fun of for years to come.
  5. AI in the Media

    I wasn't immune to the pain of no American Idol this year, although the show had really soured towards the end, and another stripped back season reeking of hospice care treatment could have been painful to sit through just for the sake of tradition. After the past several dreadful seasons of Idol, a single year's absence probably isn't going to bring back the lapsed audience from the mid-2000s or find a new audience that somehow wasn't willing to watch recently, so what kind of plan could NBC have in place to make the brand worth anything? Especially if they run America's Got Talent during the summer (which actually does quite well, still) and also hold on to The Voice. Of course, they'd cut down The Voice to one season a year, which they should have always done, but that's still an awful lot of talent shows for a genre that has been labelled as 'tired', especially so if they're all running on the same network. Assuming the rumor of a new season is true, do the producers think there's going to be a new pool of talent coming to audition for Idol? Sometimes, it's easy to notice some of the same faces shopping themselves around to every outlet they can, and it makes the amount of hopefuls still out there after so many years of talent shows seem diluted. The prize of a recording contract has lost a ton of value, as well. Record labels seem to turn their nose up at anybody from a talent show these days, under the assumption that they're given a fast track to fame or that singing others' songs doesn't show any translation to being able to sell original material, both of which are true to a degree. Too many of these winners being rolled down the assembly line has probably also made them not want to take a chance. A few posters at mjsbigblog suggested a cash prize, which may be a better option, as the winner could then have better control of their own post-show fate and also be judged (by the general public) on how intelligently they implement the money instead of being thrown into a label/management that may not care about them or completely mishandle their career. It's easy to say that Caleb and Candice "suck" because they didn't get catapulted to superstardom, even though they probably had little hand in how things turned out after the confetti fell. The genres they're in are pretty damn unmarketable, but still. I know X Factor USA had a $5 million prize, even though Melanie Amaro faded into obscurity so quickly that it was probably "$5 million******" with several obligations and strings attached that she probably never saw 25% of that number. With things like YouTube, Vine (until recently), Instagram, etc.. making it possible for anybody to get famous overnight, winning these shows and getting "famous" is becoming kind of worthless. Because the music industry is getting mostly confined to YouTube, Spotify and Apple Music, it'd be nice for American Idol to collab with any of these services to gain more relevance. Maybe they could embed a simple voting option on each of the YouTube uploads of the performances, which increases the necessity of rewatching the performances and thus having people become more invested in the contestants after repeat viewings. The videos getting many more views than previous seasons' YouTube uploads could potentially increase public perception of Idol being a dead brand, at least online, and maybe even help people give it a chance if it's no longer considered totally uncool. If NBC could contact Jimmy Iovine, maybe they could work out some type of exposure deal for the winner on Apple Music. I'm just spitballing, but I think if they really want to bring the show back so soon, they have to get fully on board with where the music industry is and what consumers' listening/purchasing habits are. Judges like JLo are totally worthless and add nothing to the show, unless somebody out there thinks that $20 million is worth her infinite rambling and closeups while contestants are performing. I don't get why some fans want old contestants to judge the show, it reeks of pointless nostalgia and makes no sense to have somebody who made it to 5th place in 2008 with a poor post-show career to guide somebody on winning a talent show, as opposed to a long-standing musician or talent manager who has real knowledge of the industry. With that said, I still wouldn't advocate a return of Harry Connick Jr.'s comedy hour, where he's brimming with unfunny jokes all night long. A fresh cast of judges who haven't appeared would be nice if they really want to revamp things. I can't stand hearing "bring back the original judges" or the years of old women fawning over Adam Lambert, but that's just my opinion.
  6. You're right, I was trying to say that the writing is much different for streamed shows rather than the week-to-week format, and Degrassi's butchered it. Aside from that, streaming or not is just personal preference. Orange Is The New Black works for the instant format, (at least for the seasons I've seen) probably because they have double the episode length to work with and 13 episodes. Degrassi's 22 minutes is such a tight squeeze to fit in any real development among so many characters, especially with a pitiful 10 episodes in total. I like scheduled, appointment TV and think it works better for some shows, so I watched this Degrassi season according to Canada's schedule of 1 episode per weekday for two weeks and it still felt cramped. It was just a very poorly written season.
  7. This was probably the worst season Degrassi's ever had. It seemed like there was very little in terms of character development and no real consequences to practically everything that happened. Miles cheats on the comatose Tristan with Lola. No problems there, Tristan forgives him. Also, I feel like I'm imagining it because nobody else brought it up. Didn't Miles tell Tristan in the hospital that he cheated? I remember Miles asking him if he was mad in an attempt for him to move or speak, but after that everybody acted like Tristan didn't know about Lola. Lola got pregnant and instantaneously got an abortion, so her life continued as normal within a few hours. I guess it's fine for them to explore the avenue of abortions not being a huge deal for some women, but what sucks is that there's nothing to explore when the character doesn't have an issue afterwards, so it's boring. Tristan was severely injured in the bus crash and in a coma for a majority of the season. Sounds like a potentially deep storyline, except for the fact that he's already starting to walk, discharged from the hospital and speaking in the span of a few episodes. It's unlike Jimmy getting shot by Rick, where his recovery was a lot slower and completely revamped his character for several seasons. The costs of simulating a real bus crash would probably be high, but nobody's going to get attached to a story that the characters see on the news, then after a six month gap (for the viewers) open up with most of them smiling and barely referencing what happened. Maya's "depression" was so half-assed, it was like they copied some info from WebMD and called it a day. Losing a few friends, taking medication, and fighting with her mom in between bouts of self pity weren't convincing enough for me. Why was she the one to get so affected by the bus crash? She had a broken arm or something, and Tristan being hospitalized shouldn't have mattered to her much since they hadn't been friends since who knows when. Saad was a useless addition to the cast, his only purpose was to introduce Maya to photography, and that was a very dull plotline anyways. Her surviving the suicide attempt was obvious from the beginning, if you can even call it a suicide attempt. Being on the top of the school was just to drum up suspense, since the lack of blood or real physical injury means she climbed down and then passed out from the pills she took while in the bus. The cast's reaction to Maya in the hospital was bizarre, as everyone has already pointed out. Cliffhanger endings are typical for Degrassi, but what's a lot lazier and more grating is when something serious is downplayed with asinine humor. Tristan asking for pizza sounded like the social media meme of being obsessed with pizza, where people somehow think it's funny to always talk about eating. I get that he actually hadn't eaten anything besides crap from a feeding tube for months, but it was still stupid. Most of them being totally unaffected by Maya made little sense, it almost seemed like an inside joke from the writers about tragedies happening so often at Degrassi, nobody should care. I know the show's always been about informing teens about various subjects, but the PSA-style writing gets worse and worse with every season. It's like the cast members are reading from a pamphlet and talking directly to the audience, it's very disengaging to hear these incredibly un-subtle moral messages several times in an episode. They used to show more than tell when it came to these 'sensitive' topics, now it's far too blatant. I'm also sick of the constant pandering and narrative pushing. The "safe spaces", "triggering", refugees, every 2nd student being gay, etc.. What a soap box. Another thing I've noticed is that there are no bully-type characters anymore. Where are the jerks of the show? Jay, Spinner (half the time), Johnny, Fitz, etc.. were real pricks, but these types of students are no longer around. Esme doesn't count as one of these characters because she's not a bully or unanimously despised. (her behavior qualifies more as something preteens would call "#fierce" and rave about, all she does is spout obnoxious and quirky insults that nobody really seems to have a problem with) It's quite unrealistic for all the characters to be good guys that everybody likes, and whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there are high school aged students who would have a problem with many characters on the show. Maybe it's now considered a cheap shot to have a storyline where someone's bullied for being gay or whatever they may be, and I don't even want that. I just hate how the show acts like a bunch of dumb teenagers are the most accepting group in the world and would embrace everything with open arms. There's no opposition for a lot of these character traits, and as a result, no stakes for when they try to make it a big deal. Even for regular plotlines that have nothing to do with that stuff, the students are surprisingly never very adversarial with each other. I'm talking about characters who are full jerks, but this season had a similar example that fits in with everything else I said. Rasha took off her hijab nearly immediately after coming to Degrassi, so she had little problems with adopting North American culture. Goldi obviously has more trouble and was unsure about what she could do as a Muslim, or even wanted to do. Rasha then comes out as gay and dates Zoe, and instantly gets pissed off at Goldi for not accepting this news and being happy about what is a sin according to her religion, within the span of one episode. Naturally, Goldi gives a "the play showed me that love is love" speech within the same episode and it's all good. Even Zoe coming out to her mother was supposed to be shocking, yet her mom rarely appeared on camera beforehand and her getting married was completely pulled out of the writers' asses as a feeble plot device where Zoe being defiant about dating Rasha would have more impact. Hunter getting a boner was a dumb plot, I don't know what they're doing with him. Yael is so robotic, it's like her only purpose is to be a perfect moral compass while seemingly dealing with no real problems herself. I guess Hunter's no longer angry and psychotic, for whatever reason. His relationship could hardly be passed off as a good bandaid for that, since him and Yael are rarely alone together and have zero chemistry anyways. Overall, a very bad season. A lot of the characters suck (IMO, of course) and are one-dimensional. Maya is the most vanilla girl in existence, Lola is an airhead, Zig is dumb as a brick, Grace is moody and a background character whose purpose is to make a few snarky comments about others' plots while in seemingly perfect health until the writers remember she's sick and let her do a few token coughs to remind everyone at home. I can agree that the whole season revolved around Miles, and while he's my favorite character, it still felt like he didn't really do anything meaningful with all the screen time he had. I usually don't care about race quotas for TV shows, but Asians really do get shit on at Degrassi. Winston did nothing all season. He's not Miles' lackey anymore, yet hasn't received any character development whatsoever. Zane and Leia got nearly the same treatment. The finale was dreadful and left us with little suspense, no cliffhanger, and seemed to actively disparage the audience from waiting to see what's going to happen with that pizza comment at the end, downplaying any serious overtones from beforehand. I think this on-demand/streaming format for TV shows has been a death blow for Degrassi. Storylines have zero room to develop when ~25 episode seasons airing once a week and spread out over a year have been replaced with 10 episode (mini)seasons served up all at one time before a six month long break. Plots having to be introduced and resolved often within the same episode or a few episodes at most make it hard to be attached to anything that happens. The telenovela (4x a week) format they started in 2010 was the first time this immediate storytelling started to happen, but it's become a lot worse now that the break between seasons has increased a lot more despite less episodes being made. Nothing's gratifying when the resolution happens too quickly, and exactly like what streaming services have done to music, I think Netflix and other platforms have taken away a ton of perceived value from TV shows. Why ascribe any meaning to a single episode of a show when the whole damn season is right there for instant consumption?
  8. S15.E24: Winner Chosen

    That was a pretty decent finale, all things considered. The whole season felt rushed, but tonight especially, the feeling of ending 6-7 weeks early was palpable. Even right now, it feels like they will be back next week with a regular performance show. (I wish...kinda?) I'm sure Brian Dunkleman is legitimately pissed every time he thinks of walking away from his job. I know that segment was scripted, but I doubt everything he said wasn't partially real. It was great to see so many of the old contestants, and there's a noticeable difference in ability from people kicked off by the top 10 compared to Dalton, Lee Jean, etc.. A lot of the guys from a decade ago looked nearly the same, and it's odd how they're so instantly recognizable despite not thinking about them for years. BTW, is it really such a popular opinion that Pia Toscano should have made it farther and/or won season 10? I always thought she was a dull pageant bot, and looking at her Twitter, a huge narcissist. Enhanced further by touring with J Lo, probably. The judges' performances were all pretty underwhelming. Jennifer's was a nice spectacle (in more ways than one) though singing was definitely last on her list. Keith did an okay job, but Harry was downright boring. That guy really loves New Orleans, doesn't he. Kara's song was pretty empty, and it makes sense that she writes songs for others more than performing them herself. She looks and sounds like a dominatrix. Simon, Paula, and Randy reuniting was pretty awkward and contrived. Those two are Simon's "best friends"? Paula is terrible at anything comedic. I guess it was a nice touch for all of the performances to come from former contestants in honor of the last season, but between the lack of star power and early finale, the show felt really cheap. (ETA: I'm glad they did use the old contestants, that's how the show should have been done. I'm just saying there was far less of a big time feeling than previous finales.) Trent wins! I was getting the feeling La'Porsha might end up winning, but thank goodness she didn't. (and they both got signed, anyway) He gave a very genuine speech, and saying LP pushed him to get better was a nice touch. His single is starting to grow on me a bit, too. The whole results and aftermath was extremely rushed, unfortunately. Damn, I already want to tune in next week for more, but there's nothing. As much as I want to see Idol come back ASAP, they should really let it breathe for around 5 years and come out with a fresher format. Hopefully that's done in a way that makes the franchise feel as big as it is, as TV shows/music/entertainment that gets put online these days feels really centralized, if anyone knows what I mean. Having access to a show on YouTube/Netflix or music on Spotify makes the whole industry feel small, at least in my opinion. Going from the huge platform of primetime television (while still at its height in the 2000s, anyways) to "watch the new season of #idol on Periscope!" or some other social media, smartphone-equipped equivalent would piss me off. At least AGT starts in about two months, which is better than nothing. Because it's in Summer, I don't think that show is dying any time soon.
  9. Either she loses because she's "plus sized" and black (as was Ruben) or the voting audience still gets Vietnam flashbacks from Candice Glover winning and going nowhere. That was only three years ago. It seems like she went on to accomplish even less than Caleb Johnson did, however impossible that may sound.
  10. Dalton getting eliminated was to be expected. I didn't even like him much and still hoped he would get to the finals just for some kind of shock. After watching that Idol special yesterday, this season's finale looks quite embarrassing in comparison to the show's height, so tomorrow being the end is bittersweet. Singles: Trent - "Falling" - Probably the best of the three, but it sounded too close to what he was already performing week to week. I can't quite imagine current radio stations playing it often, and don't see much popularity for the song over time. At least it came off as genuine, and Trent sung it well. Dalton - "Strike A Match" - Very cookie cutter song that went nowhere and did nothing. It sounds like something any emo/scene singer on Disney would get, I was heavily disappointed. For all of the expectations of him being able to carve out a fine career, I'm not seeing it after tonight. La'Porsha - "Battles" - I can't stand these type of "my journey"/life's hard/I will triumph songs. They are so damn bad for coronation singles. Winner: Trent What a mediocre round, seriously. Why do we get so few "Home"-tier singles? I wonder what Mackenzie would have sung, had he made it through last week. Simon Fuller pick: Trent - "If You Don't Know Me By Now" - Nothing extraordinary, but solid. I'm sure there were at least 50 other songs he could have done better. La'Porsha - "A House Is Not A Home" - Wow, this was boring and a little bit pageant-y. It would be nice if she would do a fun song for a change, as her repeatedly somber performances turn me off time and time again. Winner: Trent Just as bad of a round as the first, if not even worse. Simon should have picked something completely out of their wheelhouse and made it challenging. This was basically just giving the fans "more Trent" and "more La'Porsha", depending on who they're already committed to voting for. Season 15 song: Trent - "Chandelier" - I got full body chills both times, he totally slayed it in the best performance of the night. I kept hoping he'd start belting/shouting, as Ryan made some mention about Trent putting a new twist on the song, but he did get louder in some parts that were quiet the first time. Really good stuff. La'Porsha - "Diamonds" - I thought she was veering towards over-singing for the sake of theatrics. Despite her obvious talent, I got nothing out of it and don't plan on going out of my way to listen to her again. Winner: Trent I have no idea if he'll be able to make a dent in the industry, but he had a pretty good showing tonight. Hopefully he wins and can find some success, and not being Borch Brothers with Nick Fradiani while in limbo. Does anyone else think Keith's performance tomorrow is going to be with Kree Harrison? She was in that list of alums coming back, and has sung with him in the past. Maybe it's Lauren or Carrie, if she's even scheduled to be there.
  11. S15.E22: American Dream

    That was a surprisingly good documentary. At first glance, I expected it to be the typical "Idol changed my life" lip service promo that every contestant gives, but they went into more details than expected. It would have been nice if the people involved talked more about what lead to the show's downfall, as everything about the judges being switched out constantly (and Nicki/Mariah, in particular) was common knowledge and they basically said what everyone in forums has mentioned for years. Having not seen the first two seasons, I had no clue how bush league the first one was. It looked like a high school talent show with a $500 budget, so the 30 million viewer number of S2 is even more impressive. Thank God most of the staff alluded to some type of future incarnation of American Idol, because I'm crushed to see it go. It's one of the few shows I've continued to watch despite the ever-decreasing quality, just "because it's American Idol". I can't help but stay loyal to it, and would definitely be watching next year if they depressingly dragged it out even longer.
  12. S15.E21: Top 3 Perform

    I thought it was nice to see him show some more personality, for a change. None of the contestants seem very animated or dynamic when speaking, it's pretty dull. Thursday's show was total garbage, and IMO the worst performance episode in many weeks. Mackenzie going home was rather obvious, though I'd rather have seen LP eliminated. I guess Trent was the best of the night, but the song choices for everybody were so drab. Not going to join the hate club for Borchetta, despite his evident incompetence with the song themes. I just don't care enough about it to vilify him, as I think he's generally okay or at least inoffensive most of the time. Calling him "creepy" and "slimy" and these other catch-all buzzwords don't make much of a point, even though it dominates any conversation about him. I care much more about the awful judges, notably J Lo and her stupid moon bounce dancing through Dalton's entire performance. It seems pretty hard to predict the final two. I think Trent is a lock, but LP or Dalton is a mystery. Dalton's age demo votes a lot more rabidly, but he's clearly been slipping through the cracks for weeks and LP's performances get received a lot better. I'll give the edge to LP, although we haven't gotten a shock elimination this season (that I can remember, anyway) and Dalton making it to the finale would be surprising.
  13. S15.E20: Top 4 Perform

    At the risk of contradicting my earlier posts, maybe the reverse of needing a beautiful face to sell is someone like Susan Boyle. Her gimmick was that she's extremely unattractive and "wasn't supposed to" have that voice based off the assumption she'd sound terrible. Sia's face being covered is her entire gimmick, which brings positive and negative attention to her at the same time. People are still attracted to her face (not sexually or aesthetically, I mean interested) because of the mystery, so it's still a focal point despite not being visible. I was originally going to use Lazaro as an example, but either one works. I'm declaring it as fact that Heejun would not be a successful American pop star, nor would he (I should say, did not) have an audience of rabid female fans thinking he's hot and using his looks to make up for poor vocal performances. I looked him up now and is more attractive than I remember, probably because he matured and lost weight, but my point still stands. Phillip Phillips got all the love in season 11, as well as "okay, that was bland, but he's still hot" comments, and he won. The comments I saw about Heejun at the time were mostly about his desperation to come across as funny and his performances that got worse and more karaoke as the weeks went on, I saw nothing praising his appearance. The anti-WGWG crowd has been saying most of what I'm saying for years, that the handsome guys with (usually) limited skills get a pass for their looks and the producers strap a rocket to their ass that makes them finale-bound. I think I'm rambling far too much here about off-topic nonsense, but what I'm trying to say is that I think most people here agree to a point that someone like Dalton will stick around for a long time because of his looks. I just happen to think his looks make up around 80% of his popularity, instead of maybe 20-30% that others may think. I pulled those numbers out of thin air, obviously. His appearance provides the halo effect with everything else he does, instead of it simply complimenting his supposedly fantastic talent, is what I mean. It's nice to see him getting called out so much for this, I expected near 100% sympathy and e-hugs for him. Why does he feel the need to convince the audience he's tormented all of a sudden?
  14. S15.E20: Top 4 Perform

    I'm saying women complain about sexism towards women in the sense of men doing things to them, when plenty of it is from women themselves. Back to the real discussion, though: I think you're misunderstanding me, or my explanation isn't clear. I'm saying Sia is in the pop genre, she's done a ton of chart topping songs. On the other hand, her music is considered sentimental to a lot of people. Just because it's popular, does not mean it's always devoid of substance. Then again, pop music is much more of a brand than any genre. Faceless Britney Spears, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, etc.. would not be as popular because pop music is a total package deal. I am saying pop music is about the singer's face, at least in part. Most pop stars are attractive, as their looks help sell the music that tends to be about an elite lifestyle normal people don't live. 40 year old Steve from the accounting department telling people to "turn up" isn't going to chart. The more meaningful songs that still get popular don't always feature attractive people, but in any case, you want to see what they look like. Daft Punk has recently had hit songs on the pop charts, yes, but "Get Lucky" is a song about hooking up. I don't think many people identify as strongly with that song compared to Sia's music, so there's less of an emotional impact that warrants a desire to get 'closer' to the artist. I'm not saying there's absolutely no interest in knowing what they look like, but their songs having less resonance with people limits the connection with the actual artist, instead of only liking their music. The lead singer of Slipknot shows his face in public all the time, apparently. I asked my brother, since he's a fan. Again, that makes the argument that Slipknot and Daft Punk are well established as stage gimmicks and the guys simply dress up for their brand. Sia's gimmick is less defined than theirs, perhaps leaving people wondering "why is that woman hiding her face?" because that's almost all you notice about her when she's performing. Sia is "faceless woman" and Daft Punk are "robots", if that makes sense. Also, Sia has claimed to have stage fright in the past and has Grave's disease. More reasons for people to want to see what she looks like. My post is all over the place, but one more thing is that Sia makes a big deal out of being obscured when performing. There's a dance crew around her (and in music videos) or some kind of stage work that keeps her out of sight. Meanwhile, Daft Punk and Slipknot put their gear on and are doing the same things on stage as a normal band would. Thinking about this brings me back to one of the main things I've brought up every week on this forum. If faces are so irrelevant to pop music....why the hell is Dalton still here?! A lot of any criticism he gets online still includes "I love his eyes, but...." or "not that good, but he's beautiful." One of Jennifer's reviews of him started off with "sexy!!!" Punk rock Heejun would bring out the tumbleweed, that's a fact.
  15. S15.E20: Top 4 Perform

    I find it's usually women complaining about other women getting sexist comments...from WOMEN. Not that relevant to your post, but I think that's interesting. I don't see much of any hate towards Sia for not showing her face, and I didn't care until they had so many angles of her talking to the contestants with a wig in her face instead of just obscuring her face by keeping the camera in one position, behind her and facing who she's speaking with. For her actual performance, I saw no issue. IMO, if people are so uppity about Sia not showing her face because her music is so personal. So many people listen to it and relate with her, and they want to assign a face to the lyrics. I don't see anything wrong with that. Slipknot is deeper than most would think, though I doubt many Sia fans listen to them. "Metal band yelling with masks on" probably repels a lot of them from looking further. Daft Punk is pretty thin club music. deadmau5 is another guy in that scene who performs with a mask. He's shown his face before and it's unmemorable, I don't think fans of that music really care. Sia's music has more substance, so I get why her fans want to get a closer look. Ultimately, "who cares", indeed. I never gave it much thought until a few hours ago.